Go4 CrossFire Series coming to NESL and CrossFire!
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Let's try to make this happen!!! it's defiantly worth it if he comes and casts!SO i talked to Xen and he said that he would come if he sees that more people want him to come, and the reason for that is because he's busy and he wants to see that he can make time for something worthy.Were you in blasphemy lul
holy, I totally forgot about that, it was like 2 years ago? yeah, why? -
I'll be extremely happy if will/XeNNNNNN streams NA matches, does anyone have contact with him outside of xfire/cf NA and ask him if he's willing to cast our games? I'll try finding his twitch channel again
Dont worry kelp I could never forget you.
On topic though, I'm tempted but one thing that does concern me is last time I spent 8-9 months casting ESL Go4 weekly's and the monthly finals as well as EMS and nothing positive came out of it the stream/casting was fine everyone loved it but the community was/is self destructive I don't want to end up in another situation where I've put in a lot of effort and then nothing positive come out of it.
If enough people want me to. then I'll consider it. If not then fine by me as I have a lot on my plate as it is in terms of work via eSports etc. -
Dont worry kelp I could never forget you.
On topic though, I'm tempted but one thing that does concern me is last time I spent 8-9 months casting ESL Go4 weekly's and the monthly finals as well as EMS and nothing positive came out of it the stream/casting was fine everyone loved it but the community was/is self destructive I don't want to end up in another situation where I've put in a lot of effort and then nothing positive come out of it.
If enough people want me to then I'll consider it. If not then fine by me as I have a lot on my plate as it is in terms of work via eSports etc.
Can you link me any cast you did? -
Can you link me any cast you did?
http://www.twitch.tv/beyondcast
pretty much every cast I ever did is in the videos section
/side note the first few casts I did were a bit "errrr" if you catch my drift... horrible habit to have while casting, it pretty much disappeared though as I did more. -
Dont worry kelp I could never forget you.
On topic though, I'm tempted but one thing that does concern me is last time I spent 8-9 months casting ESL Go4 weekly's and the monthly finals as well as EMS and nothing positive came out of it the stream/casting was fine everyone loved it but the community was/is self destructive I don't want to end up in another situation where I've put in a lot of effort and then nothing positive come out of it.
If enough people want me to. then I'll consider it. If not then fine by me as I have a lot on my plate as it is in terms of work via eSports etc.[/QUOTE
Yes Will, I definitely think you should, you're a really good caster and I'm sure a lot of positive growth will come out the other end, stick to your own version and be the voice for UK players
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JoshBritish wrote: »Dont worry kelp I could never forget you.
On topic though, I'm tempted but one thing that does concern me is last time I spent 8-9 months casting ESL Go4 weekly's and the monthly finals as well as EMS and nothing positive came out of it the stream/casting was fine everyone loved it but the community was/is self destructive I don't want to end up in another situation where I've put in a lot of effort and then nothing positive come out of it.
If enough people want me to. then I'll consider it. If not then fine by me as I have a lot on my plate as it is in terms of work via eSports etc.[/QUOTE
Yes Will, I definitely think you should, you're a really good caster and I'm sure a lot of positive growth will come out the other end, stick to your own version and be the voice for UK players
lol well I quit EU months ago anyway hah -
http://www.twitch.tv/beyondcast
pretty much every cast I ever did is in the videos section
/side note the first few casts I did were a bit "errrr" if you catch my drift... horrible habit to have while casting, it pretty much disappeared though as I did more.
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Wait so, UK players aren't allowed to play CF EU and play ESL there, and now there's ESL coming out here and UK players also aren't allowed to play that or CF STARS? I know that Tencent or who ever, tells you to bring one team from NA to play, but you need to make it clear to them that this is CF NA/UK and not just CF NA. CF BR and CF RU send two teams from their countries. I'm not saying we should have teams from Britain aswell, at least not untill the scene is big enough. I'm just saying that since British players are under license to play on this version, we should have the right to play with NA teams as long as the NA teams have the majority 3 people in the team (since there's not enough British players for competition, let alone international competition, there's only other EU players that belong in CF EU, also, wouldn't it be stupid to have CFS teams from the UK and CF EU?). I'm talking about UK players, the UK is only one place in EU and the rest of EU that can compete in CF EU should look there for competition. It's only the UK that can't compete. ESL EU doesn't allow us to play since you have our license, they have a legit reason, what's yours? Please put in some effort for people that live in the UK because we can only play this version and deserve to be able to play in the NA scene. NA is the home of this version, and since EU already have their own version and their own CFS teams, the UK that's trapped here, should be able to participate as long as there's a majority of 3 NA players per team like I mentioned before. I've been trying to get through to Z8 for a long time, in the past, instead of responding about the UK issue, they have responded that they'll get competition for the UK servers but, 95% of people in the UK servers belong and should be in CF EU competing there, there's absolutely no point in making a second, worse version of CF EU in the UK servers, when they belong in CF EU (I know you make a lot of profit out of them, but you still own the UK license and you call them the UK servers) Z8 have made some tournaments available to the UK (ESG) however many teams sub you or kick you out for not being able to play CFS, I doubt teams will wanna practice with one player for one tournament and another for another tournament. I still have got a lot more to say about this but I have school now.
Please let me know what you think about this and help it happen if you agree with me, thanks. -
JoshBritish wrote: »ESL EU doesn't allow us to play since you have our license, they have a legit reason, what's yours?
I believe you have this mixed up.
ESL EU doesn't let players from the UK play because players from the UK play on a different version of the game.
A team from Germany and a team from the UK cannot play matches versus each other, with the exception of some type of legacy account on both sides in some sort of licensing loop hole which was created when the EU license was first created.
A team from the UK cannot play on the NESL circuit because NESL doesn't support teams from outside North America.
It has nothing to do with us, and an unfortunate side issue. If we could find a way to include UK players in the NESL League we would have, but those restrictions were not ours to make. But we are trying to support the competition in the UK through ESG because we can and still want to continue to provide competitive CrossFire to the UK.
If the choice had to be made between NO Go4CF with NESL and Go4CF with NESL minus UK players the choice was made to move forward with the partnership. -
I will also note here in a separate post that there is still lots of information to come on how to get involved, how it will fall into place with CFS and the general summer time structure of our tournaments.
This is just one step and one place to compete for prizes within CF. As we finalize everything else we will release final information to everyone we can. -
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Our competitive scene is just getting bigger and bigger and our go4 season just ended but they are already talking with them about a new season and perhaps a new ems season, also we have alot of other competition.
And I dont think any eu player would play NESL unless they are esl banned. and since esl and nesl is the (almost) the same , people who are banned from esl should be banned to from nesl. -
[GM]Saidin wrote: »I believe you have this mixed up.
ESL EU doesn't let players from the UK play because players from the UK play on a different version of the game.
A team from Germany and a team from the UK cannot play matches versus each other, with the exception of some type of legacy account on both sides in some sort of licensing loop hole which was created when the EU license was first created.
A team from the UK cannot play on the NESL circuit because NESL doesn't support teams from outside North America.
It has nothing to do with us, and an unfortunate side issue. If we could find a way to include UK players in the NESL League we would have, but those restrictions were not ours to make. But we are trying to support the competition in the UK through ESG because we can and still want to continue to provide competitive CrossFire to the UK.
If the choice had to be made between NO Go4CF with NESL and Go4CF with NESL minus UK players the choice was made to move forward with the partnership.
I'm surprised that you're thinking that. You're right that "we play on a different version of the game" But that's only because we HAVE to. ESL are payed by GameRage and are under contract with GameRage to not let UK players play because GameRage isn't alowed to let UK players on their version since Z8 has the UK license, bad explanation but true none the less. We're not allowed on the version to begin with because you have the license. Also, even if NESL doesn't support any one out side of NA, that doesn't change the fact that you're making them CFS qualifiers and excluding UK players from playing, not even trying to talk to CFS about another team or including players from other countries you own the license for. You buy a version for the Brazilians, now even the Colombians/Venezuelans and they get to go to CFS. -
JoshBritish wrote: »I'm surprised that you're thinking that. You're right that "we play on a different version of the game" But that's only because we HAVE to. ESL are payed by GameRage and are under contract with GameRage to not let UK players play because GameRage isn't alowed to let UK players on their version since Z8 has the UK license, bad explanation but true none the less. We're not allowed on the version to begin with because you have the license. Also, even if NESL doesn't support any one out side of NA, that doesn't change the fact that you're making them CFS qualifiers and excluding UK players from playing, not even trying to talk to CFS about another team or including players from other countries you own the license for. You buy a version for the Brazilians, now even the Colombians/Venezuelans and they get to go to CFS.
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Meinchista wrote: »our go4 series is over
Who said it is over? Where did you hear that? Only Second Season is over, there was never even a mention that whole Go4CF is over.Meinchista wrote: »competitive scene in cf eu become smaller and smaller..
Smaller? We have started out with less than ~32 teams in Season one and on the last (or one of the last ones, I am not 100% sure) Go4's we had to create 128 Team tree because of too many teams that applied.Meinchista wrote: »are europeans allowed to play cups on NA version?
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JoshBritish wrote: »I'm surprised that you're thinking that. You're right that "we play on a different version of the game" But that's only because we HAVE to. ESL are payed by GameRage and are under contract with GameRage to not let UK players play because GameRage isn't alowed to let UK players on their version since Z8 has the UK license, bad explanation but true none the less. We're not allowed on the version to begin with because you have the license. Also, even if NESL doesn't support any one out side of NA, that doesn't change the fact that you're making them CFS qualifiers and excluding UK players from playing, not even trying to talk to CFS about another team or including players from other countries you own the license for. You buy a version for the Brazilians, now even the Colombians/Venezuelans and they get to go to CFS.
There's a lot of miss-information here. Let me see if I can clarify it.
Gamerage is a portal owned by a company called Smilegate Interactive, which in turn is owned by a company called Smilegate.
Z8Games is a portal owned by a company called G4Box, which is now owned by Smilegate.
While the parent companies are the same, the license restrictions and operating teams for both versions are not.
ESL Operates in Europe, which also includes the UK for games that do not have a region restriction.
Because of the license restrictions UK players cannot play on the same servers as European players. Except in the case of legacy accounts on the Z8Games portal. Yes, this is highly unfortunate and we understand how bad that situation is. But the licenses and contracts are determined at a higher level than this discussion on the forums. It's something we can't do anything about.
Because of this restriction, the contract between SGI (Gamerage) and ESL was created such that it did not allow players from the UK to participate. Mostly because players in the UK could only play other players in the UK, and they could not play against players in other parts of Europe because they could not play on the same servers.
NESL is an organization that operates in North America. They are not allowed to have players from other regions participate. This is not something we are controlling. It is something NESL is controlling.
Now to the CFS Qualifier information. I want to make this uber clear, since I posted it originally and have said it a couple times in this thread. We have not finalized the qualifier information yet.
Here is what we know:CFS Season 3 is likely to happen in Q3 2014 (end of summer)So before we start jumping to conclusions and continuing to support your own assumption that we hate UK gamers lets look at the facts and see that we're working with our resources here as best as possible to find ways to bring competitive play to the UK. Maybe that doesn't mean CFS level play, but it means a competitive community that can be supported by tournaments from players in that region.
Go4 CrossFire is starting up soon in partnership with us.
There will be involvement in CFS Season 3 qualifying through Go4.
ESG is continuing competition.
ESG supports UK players.
ESG is also going to have involvement in CFS Season 3 qualifying.
In fact the final qualifiers to determine the team for CFS will ultimately be happening through ESG. Which means in some way, UK players will be supported.
We have plans to do a UK tournament, and to have UK qualifiers to allow them to play in the CFS tournament. HOWEVER, we know from past CFS tournaments that the team which represents our version must come from NA. So ultimately the UK team may be able to win cash prizes, but they may not be able to go to CFS. This may change, but until we hear otherwise this is what we are planning for.
Once again, I hope that this added information helps you understand that things are not finalized and that the absolutes you assume are always able to change in the future. -
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[GM]Saidin wrote: »There's a lot of miss-information here. Let me see if I can clarify it.
Gamerage is a portal owned by a company called Smilegate Interactive, which in turn is owned by a company called Smilegate.
Z8Games is a portal owned by a company called G4Box, which is now owned by Smilegate.
While the parent companies are the same, the license restrictions and operating teams for both versions are not.
ESL Operates in Europe, which also includes the UK for games that do not have a region restriction.
Because of the license restrictions UK players cannot play on the same servers as European players. Except in the case of legacy accounts on the Z8Games portal. Yes, this is highly unfortunate and we understand how bad that situation is. But the licenses and contracts are determined at a higher level than this discussion on the forums. It's something we can't do anything about.
Because of this restriction, the contract between SGI (Gamerage) and ESL was created such that it did not allow players from the UK to participate. Mostly because players in the UK could only play other players in the UK, and they could not play against players in other parts of Europe because they could not play on the same servers.
NESL is an organization that operates in North America. They are not allowed to have players from other regions participate. This is not something we are controlling. It is something NESL is controlling.
Now to the CFS Qualifier information. I want to make this uber clear, since I posted it originally and have said it a couple times in this thread. We have not finalized the qualifier information yet.
Here is what we know:CFS Season 3 is likely to happen in Q3 2014 (end of summer)So before we start jumping to conclusions and continuing to support your own assumption that we hate UK gamers lets look at the facts and see that we're working with our resources here as best as possible to find ways to bring competitive play to the UK. Maybe that doesn't mean CFS level play, but it means a competitive community that can be supported by tournaments from players in that region.
Go4 CrossFire is starting up soon in partnership with us.
There will be involvement in CFS Season 3 qualifying through Go4.
ESG is continuing competition.
ESG supports UK players.
ESG is also going to have involvement in CFS Season 3 qualifying.
In fact the final qualifiers to determine the team for CFS will ultimately be happening through ESG. Which means in some way, UK players will be supported.
We have plans to do a UK tournament, and to have UK qualifiers to allow them to play in the CFS tournament. HOWEVER, we know from past CFS tournaments that the team which represents our version must come from NA. So ultimately the UK team may be able to win cash prizes, but they may not be able to go to CFS. This may change, but until we hear otherwise this is what we are planning for.
Once again, I hope that this added information helps you understand that things are not finalized and that the absolutes you assume are always able to change in the future.
I'm really happy to hear back from you, I really do mean well, just trying to get my point across. A lot of what you said was exactly what I was saying, or at least trying to say. About competition for the "UK players" As I said before there's a lot of players outside of the UK and in other EU countries that play in the UK servers, most don't live in the UK and by giving the UK servers competition, you'd simply be giving EU players competition that already have the option to compete in CF EU to begin with. Some of them are only here because they're banned from competition in CF EU. To be quite honest, the NA competitive scene is developed and at a decent level, it would be great for the United Kingdom to have their own CFS qualifiers but the UK just isn't ready for it. The sad fact is, there's not even enough UK players and there's a really low level of competition (I'm one of the few that actually plays in Echo 8) Either way, to help the UK'S situation, communication with CFS will be needed, If UK players are able to participate in CFS by playing for NA teams as long as the majority of the team is made up of NA players or even giving the UK our own CF Qualifiers. I won't be able to complain about either of these options but, the scene will only be able to move forward if the UK competitions (ESG for example) are specifically only for UK/British players because anyone outside of the UK (in EU) isn't able to sign up because of license restrictions; which means our scene can't grow (Maybe a 3 UK and 2 EU limit) Everything unfortunately has to grow from UK players alone and even if we're not ready I don't think having our own qualifiers is a bad idea even if we do get smashed the first couple seasons) Anyways, happy to get a reply, please contact CFS about this and I hope to see more progress that I've already started to see. A lot of boring stuff to read even I admit. -
Dont worry kelp I could never forget you.
On topic though, I'm tempted but one thing that does concern me is last time I spent 8-9 months casting ESL Go4 weekly's and the monthly finals as well as EMS and nothing positive came out of it the stream/casting was fine everyone loved it but the community was/is self destructive I don't want to end up in another situation where I've put in a lot of effort and then nothing positive come out of it.
If enough people want me to. then I'll consider it. If not then fine by me as I have a lot on my plate as it is in terms of work via eSports etc.
Will
we just don't have anything to stay in touch
EU and NA are two entirely different communities, but to be fair (as you seem busy) I think it would be a waste of time streaming/casting as you'd probably get 100 viewers tops, maybe if you weren't so busy then I would persuade you to.
btw what do you do now?If you cast i'll win for you
Sorry that's my job to win the upcoming event. Can't have two winners. -
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Will we just don't have anything to stay in touch
EU and NA are two entirely different communities, but to be fair (as you seem busy) I think it would be a waste of time streaming/casting as you'd probably get 100 viewers tops, maybe if you weren't so busy then I would persuade you to.
btw what do you do now?
Which is precisely why I don't bother, I am always for promoting other people and the games than myself but when you do take such a role for as long as I did when there is nothing in it for yourself can not only be degrading based on the level of viewers + quality of the game but also frustratingly boring, communities might be different but they sure do act the same, more drama occurs in a crossfire community than in a damned drama themed TV series.
you could always pm me on Skype inbox, me if you want it.
To answer your last question, right now I am manager for their talkGEEK LoL team and I am in the staff of talkGEEK itself, I've been promoted to director of publishing (trial period at the moment), I am also about to start working for their Q&A department as well (games testing) it's small scale at the moment, the real work in both departments that I will have to do will start in roughly a week or so. -
Come back to NA and hit those nutty shots
Maybe but I don't think so, if Tencent actually gave a crap about the games they own and got the developers fix all the bugs that have been their since the beta and not to mention used a half decent AC which xtrap isn't but nah instead they just milk their customers dry.
So many people wonder how crossfire globally made $900+ million, well ^ that's your reason.
Profit over quality. That's why the game isn't worth my time and never will be again. Pay to win games are always useless competitively and a waste of time.
Besides no team took me seriously as they believed lag was to much of a disadvantage for me to play for them, which it wasn't which I proved multiple times. Note: I preferred echo 8 as the UK scene is pathetic, not the UK scenes fault though.
If all of the above was different, Id probably come back. -
Maybe but I don't think so, if Tencent actually gave a crap about the games they own and got the developers fix all the bugs that have been their since the beta and not to mention used a half decent AC which xtrap isn't but nah instead they just milk their customers dry.
So many people wonder how crossfire globally made $900+ million, well ^ that's your reason.
Profit over quality. That's why the game isn't worth my time and never will be again. Pay to win games are always useless competitively and a waste of time.
Besides no team took me seriously as they believed lag was to much of a disadvantage for me to play for them, which it wasn't which I proved multiple times. Note: I preferred echo 8 as the UK scene is pathetic, not the UK scenes fault though.
If all of the above was different, Id probably come back.
About the lag Will, I've been in quite a few teams playing with it, teams are more concerned about us not being able to play CFS than the lag. I've played with as low as 88 ping with my good internet and as high as 110 with my bad internet, but if you have like 130+ then that could be a problem. When Musti used to play with me in NA teams he always had like 120 and did fine. Some times people say we're only good because of our ping.
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