Maybe the Crossfire developers could learn something..
The CS:GO developers released an update with not only fixes that were requested by pro players, but implemented an idea suggested on reddit two days ago.
http://i.imgur.com/ngXx3ev.jpg
This is what the games are about. You take the suggestions from the people actually playing the game, because they have time and energy invested in it, and those are the people who care about the game the most.
No one is asking for super drastic changes to happen over night, but the developers of crossfire should at least attempt to show that they care about the players.
To make sure I'm being clear, I'm not talking about some rando br hue hue suggesting a golden rpk camo silenced Halloween edition... The competitive players are the ones suggesting ideas to make the game play itself better.
http://i.imgur.com/ngXx3ev.jpg
This is what the games are about. You take the suggestions from the people actually playing the game, because they have time and energy invested in it, and those are the people who care about the game the most.
No one is asking for super drastic changes to happen over night, but the developers of crossfire should at least attempt to show that they care about the players.
To make sure I'm being clear, I'm not talking about some rando br hue hue suggesting a golden rpk camo silenced Halloween edition... The competitive players are the ones suggesting ideas to make the game play itself better.
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I that G4Box and Saidin have done a great job of hearing what we want. I think Saidin has expressed to us that it's not that easy for him to communicate with the Developers because of the language barrier but that communication has improved throughout the last two years. He has said this in I believe the Frost Gaming LAN or WCG cast? I'm not sure when but this was about a half a year ago. NO Cross Fire Stars!
yes but he has said he has tried to voice some things but he also know what things can happen and what cannot.Please stop comparing csgo to crossfire. They are completely different.
I agree that its hard to compare the two games simply the fact that you purchase CS:GO. In Cross Fire you can purchase ZP but that is optional. They are both FPS but have a very different dynamic to how companies will work with the community. CS:GO is more user based when it comes to making modifications to the game. CF not as much. That may be why developers have changed some things.
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Please stop comparing csgo to crossfire. They are completely different.
You're clearly an absolute moron. They are both video games with developers who are capable of changing the game. The only difference is that CS:GO isn't a pile of garbage. -
CF makes too much money for them to use the excuse, oh CoD, BF, CS, LoL, can provide services directly correlated to their competitive community because they are larger companies, biggest crock of shit i have heard from a company pumping out 100+ million dollars, i think it was actually close to 200M
edit: nvm I am WAY off
http://news.mmosite.com/content/2011-03-22/crossfire_to_surpass_wow_and_become_the_most_profitable_mmo.shtml -
You're clearly an absolute moron. They are both video games with developers who are capable of changing the game. The only difference is that CS:GO isn't a pile of garbage.
There are a lot of differences I could point out. Please don't make me type out all of them. -
AwfulFallout wrote: »CF makes too much money for them to use the excuse, oh CoD, BF, CS, LoL, can provide services directly correlated to their competitive community because they are larger companies, biggest crock of shit i have heard from a company pumping out 100+ million dollars, i think it was actually close to 200M
edit: nvm I am WAY off
http://news.mmosite.com/content/2011-03-22/crossfire_to_surpass_wow_and_become_the_most_profitable_mmo.shtml
Yet the game still features pre 1.6 level graphics, a massive amount of bugs and glitches, a pathetic "anti- cheat", and a community made up of some of the dumbest people I have ever met. -
The developers live in China. They get all the content first then it carries over to us. Even if Saidin wanted changes for the competitive community, it still wouldn't matter because the devs never come to these forums anyway. The developers for CSGO actually listen to the community because they actually look for the player's opinion. It's just a shame this game is infiltrated with foreigners who only care about pink guns and useless ranks, thus the reason why we have all this shit.
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The CS:GO developers released an update with not only fixes that were requested by pro players, but implemented an idea suggested on reddit two days ago.
http://i.imgur.com/ngXx3ev.jpg
This is what the games are about. You take the suggestions from the people actually playing the game, because they have time and energy invested in it, and those are the people who care about the game the most.
No one is asking for super drastic changes to happen over night, but the developers of crossfire should at least attempt to show that they care about the players.
To make sure I'm being clear, I'm not talking about some rando br hue hue suggesting a golden rpk camo silenced Halloween edition... The competitive players are the ones suggesting ideas to make the game play itself better.
It is a great idea but z8 is not the developer like valve. They can't make changes like that in-game =_=, if they want something, they have to ask smile gate and smile gate can just say NOPE TOO LAZY F_CK IT. So yea, great idea still hmm~ -
Competitive players won't be suggesting any new ZP content.
Another thing, CS:GO is completely different from CrossFire.
Competitive players can make suggestion how to improve the game, where pub players can just make decision abt zp contents but tbh do they even listen to the "zp contents" ? Pretty sure they have everything planned what to have each month. -
Yes the two games are very different. The POINT here is that cs:go developers actually LISTEN to players whereas, Cf does not!Competitive players won't be suggesting any new ZP content.
Another thing, CS:GO is completely different from CrossFire. -
Competitive players can make suggestion how to improve the game, where pub players can just make decision abt zp contents but tbh do they even listen to the "zp contents" ? Pretty sure they have everything planned what to have each month.
Yes they have everything planned out. Unless its a really good suggestion, they won't take it into consideration.Yes the two games are very different. The POINT here is that cs:go developers actually LISTEN to players whereas, Cf does not!
Yeah they rarely do. -
Yes they have everything planned out. Unless its a really good suggestion, they won't take it into consideration.
Yeah they rarely do.
csgo devs rarely listen to players feedback?
That's funny because the majority of the gameplay changes were suggested by players. -
Competitive players won't be suggesting any new ZP content.
Another thing, CS:GO is completely different from CrossFire.
What does the game being different have to do with anything? The thread is about the difference in service to competitive players, something that is carried from company to company including games like LoL and CS, two completely different games, yet those companies at least ATTEMPT to help the competitive side of the game, I don't understand, money is not an issue, as provided in the link I posted above, player base is not an issue (one of the top F2P FPS games in the world, not many other than SF can say that), portals are not an issue (Saidin fully supports a competitive game and community), it only comes down to the people who run the game. They simply do not care, they don't want to even attempt to improve the game. I am fine with the pink guns and half naked characters, that really isn't the issue either, they can make their millions off that, but how much does it take to fix the simple bugs in this game that cripple the competitive environment? Just initiative on their part. -
AwfulFallout wrote: »What does the game being different have to do with anything? The thread is about the difference in service to competitive players, something that is carried from company to company including games like LoL and CS, two completely different games, yet those companies at least ATTEMPT to help the competitive side of the game, I don't understand, money is not an issue, as provided in the link I posted above, player base is not an issue (one of the top F2P FPS games in the world, not many other than SF can say that), portals are not an issue (Saidin fully supports a competitive game and community), it only comes down to the people who run the game. They simply do not care, they don't want to even attempt to improve the game. I am fine with the pink guns and half naked characters, that really isn't the issue either, they can make their millions off that, but how much does it take to fix the simple bugs in this game that cripple the competitive environment? Just initiative on their part.
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AwfulFallout wrote: »What does the game being different have to do with anything? The thread is about the difference in service to competitive players, something that is carried from company to company including games like LoL and CS, two completely different games, yet those companies at least ATTEMPT to help the competitive side of the game, I don't understand, money is not an issue, as provided in the link I posted above, player base is not an issue (one of the top F2P FPS games in the world, not many other than SF can say that), portals are not an issue (Saidin fully supports a competitive game and community), it only comes down to the people who run the game. They simply do not care, they don't want to even attempt to improve the game. I am fine with the pink guns and half naked characters, that really isn't the issue either, they can make their millions off that, but how much does it take to fix the simple bugs in this game that cripple the competitive environment? Just initiative on their part.
Being different meaning the developers and how the game operates are different.
Z8 doesn't really take as many suggestions where as other games do.
Example: Riot games has AMAs where they ask what the players want, and they put in the good ideas. Z8 does not. -
Being different meaning the developers and how the game operates are different.
Z8 doesn't really take as many suggestions where as other games do.
Example: Riot games has AMAs where they ask what the players want, and they put in the good ideas. Z8 does not.
Saidin has posted in many threads numerous times in the competitive section on threads suggesting improvements that directly benefit the competitive community. Additionally, he has spoken with the developers numerous times at tournaments such as WCG regarding the issues that deal with the competitive community. The issues are KNOWN and Saidin is fully aware of them. Usually his response is along the lines, "I can only suggest them to the parent company but have no promises," it is up to them if they want to act on them, and that's all he can do. Based on those instances, he has done his job. No matter what P.O.V. you look at this from, it boils down to them and only them. -
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Aimoperative wrote: »You do realize that the devs live in china...right? If you want changes, go spam the chinese forums.
I was going to come up with a response to you, but your comment clearly shows you haven't even read all the posts in this thread. Your input has absolutely no value to the that subject we are discussing.
My post was extremely simple and easy to understand, and has been restated multiple times throughout this thread. The point is that in other games, player input is valued, and results are shown, while in Crossfire, player input is neglected.
How do you know some of the CS:GO developers don't live in China, or Europe? Just because they don't live in the United States doesn't mean they can't read...
Smilegate released an ENGLISH version of the game, so theres no reason that they can't listen to North American/European input. -
Considering that the korean version shut down, and Smilegate is based in Korea (so Giggle was right but I'll never admit that to his face) I'd say they do a pretty poor job of even listening to their own home players.I was going to come up with a response to you, but your comment clearly shows you haven't even read all the posts in this thread. Your input has absolutely no value to the that subject we are discussing.
My post was extremely simple and easy to understand, and has been restated multiple times throughout this thread. The point is that in other games, player input is valued, and results are shown, while in Crossfire, player input is neglected.
How do you know some of the CS:GO developers don't live in China, or Europe? Just because they don't live in the United States doesn't mean they can't read...
Smilegate released an ENGLISH version of the game, so theres no reason that they can't listen to North American/European input. -
I was going to come up with a response to you, but your comment clearly shows you haven't even read all the posts in this thread. Your input has absolutely no value to the that subject we are discussing.
My post was extremely simple and easy to understand, and has been restated multiple times throughout this thread. The point is that in other games, player input is valued, and results are shown, while in Crossfire, player input is neglected.
How do you know some of the CS:GO developers don't live in China, or Europe? Just because they don't live in the United States doesn't mean they can't read...
Smilegate released an ENGLISH version of the game, so theres no reason that they can't listen to North American/European input.
You have to understand the difference between Asian developers and American Developers.
The developers you mentioned for LoL and CS:Go are American. Smilegate are not. American developers have the communication with THEIR region much more than another so suggestions and whatnot are easier to come across and push out to other versions.
Look at CF China and the content we get. Its heavily Asian influenced, showing that Asian countries have more influence over this game than we do. Like Americans have more influence over Valve and Riot Games. -
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csgo devs rarely listen to players feedback?
That's funny because the majority of the gameplay changes were suggested by players.
Z8/Smilegate. I don't understand why you're trying to prove me wrong if we believe in the same thing... -
CS:go gets there money regardless and they've made a lot of money off of the weapon reskins.
Crossfire releases new guns even tho the game is hack infested. They make there money.
The only way z8 or smilegate would fix the game or listen to the community if we were to stop spending money on it. If they couldn't fix **** after they realize people aren't spending money because how bad the games hackers are then either they would get it fixed or shut down. whichever one they choose, I'm happy with it.
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