lets have a debate on the voting system

MrKnifey

i have been wondering why its takes a %70 vote to kick someone instead of a %50 vote

my opinion is this is something to talk about as i would like to see a %50 vote to kick or a majority vote like 9/7 in a 16 person game instead of a 10/6

Chimpzz

The vote should be 50% of the enemy team at least.

That works out at 12 agrees.

bazukakias8

MrKnifey wrote: »

i have been wondering why its takes a %70 vote to kick someone instead of a %50 vote

my opinion is this is something to talk about as i would like to see a %50 vote to kick or a majority vote like 9/7 in a 16 person game instead of a 10/6

hell NO!i am getting kicked 4-5 times a day!i dont want to make it 10+

]SKoRM

MrKnifey wrote: »

i have been wondering why its takes a %70 vote to kick someone instead of a %50 vote

my opinion is this is something to talk about as i would like to see a %50 vote to kick or a majority vote like 9/7 in a 16 person game instead of a 10/6

bazukakias8 wrote: »

hell NO!i am getting kicked 4-5 times a day!i dont want to make it 10+

Both are solid points.

I honestly don't no which side to lean on for this. Someone, make me by into one. :rolleyes:

[Rory]

Personally rather than changing the value required for the vote, it would surely make more sense to have the value work on purely the people that voted? Sure it would still time out in the same manor but rather than having the idle votes as rejects simply remove them from the vote.

]SKoRM

[MOD]Rory wrote: »

Personally rather than changing the value required for the vote, it would surely make more sense to have the value work on purely the people that voted? Sure it would still time out in the same manor but rather than having the idle votes as rejects simply remove them from the vote.

Pretty much what people have been talking about on the Kick Vote topic, and it's a good idea. The thing is the people who F12 hackers/violators in game still outnumber the people who F11 them (not in all situations, but most).

Anyone one of these suggestions would help this game out the way it stands right now anyway.

claphead2

Touchy subject for me , so my opinion is , Deffently f12 is unfair to keep a jacker in game but guys it's like this all jackers on the same team wont kick there kind , its all religious clap trap
even in game's it cause's war's just as this topic

last year i basicly never used f11/f12 because there are legal players that deserve to play a good game legally but in real time i press f11 just to try and get rid of a jacker , always fail's due to currupt player's teams gangup so they dont get f11'nd


My time when entering a room ingame i press tab and see 200+ ping's i get the fook out that room , hence shed loads of desertion's on my profile
The gameing exp now has gone down hill as you can realy never finish a good game ,
So f11 for pro legal players that have nice ping's , F12 for the 200+ lagging jacker's
It's a joke

Dakotu

What does the F12 button actually do?
And why arent they making that annoying kickvote box a bit smaller of size?

MrVu1

MrKnifey wrote: »

my opinion is this is something to talk about as i would like to see a %50 vote to kick or a majority vote like 9/7 in a 16 person game instead of a 10/6

9/7 can be a situation where a legit player tops and the whole enemy team rages at him, while they have 1 friend on his team.it would give the opposite team the entire control of the vote once it's launched. I personally think it would get a lot more good players kicked.

system seems fine right now, but seeing a blank vote option would be cool in my opinion (for people who don't understand what a vote is).

]zZ[

Please no.

AcekillerMvp

I think the only thing that should be done is to not count people who don't vote as f12.

The last time I checked abstain from voting does not equal Disagree.....

Xfin81

acekillermvp wrote: »

i think the only thing that should be done is to not count people who don't vote as f12.

The last time i checked abstain from voting does not equal disagree.....

totally agree!

+1

Chimpzz

[MOD]Rory wrote: »

Personally rather than changing the value required for the vote, it would surely make more sense to have the value work on purely the people that voted? Sure it would still time out in the same manor but rather than having the idle votes as rejects simply remove them from the vote.

So basically you get kicked out of every room.

The community is trash and if you think people will F12 you your mistaken. They might not vote if your not hacking but asking them to do something to keep you in the game is a bit much. Afterall your a nobody to them that no one cares about.

[MOD]Vu wrote: »

9/7 can be a situation where a legit player tops and the whole enemy team rages at him, while they have 1 friend on his team.it would give the opposite team the entire control of the vote once it's launched. I personally think it would get a lot more good players kicked.

system seems fine right now, but seeing a blank vote option would be cool in my opinion (for people who don't understand what a vote is).

Because people on CF don't know how to vote o.0 lol

l_Hawk_l

I say reverse the non votes so the default is 'agree'...so if noone votes they count as agree. Food for thought. >.<

Phillybear

MrKnifey wrote: »

i have been wondering why its takes a %70 vote to kick someone instead of a %50 vote

my opinion is this is something to talk about as i would like to see a %50 vote to kick or a majority vote like 9/7 in a 16 person game instead of a 10/6

If the majority of CF players had common sense and would not be guided by their blind rage, getting more than 50% of the votes against someone should equal being kicked.
As it stands now, lowering the needed amount of votes is sheer madness.

Chimpzz

One thing about this game though is that the amount of noobness isn't only related to in game players.

People claim forumers are the better population, what a joke.

I suspect those that want the default to be "agree" either:

Cry a lot in game and think most people hack.

or

They think "oh my, if only those guys that didn't vote voted, then that hacker would be gone", failing to realise that was by design, the players wanted him to stay and even if they had to they would f12 the hacker.

l_Hawk_l

My idea was merely for the instances where we encounter someone using one of these 'illegal alternatives' and we attempt to kick. Less than half the players actually vote, leaving the non votes registered as f12.

Me, if I don't get the vote to go through the second time, I find myself leaving the room to find another. (when not playing with known legitimate players and the room is flooded with heejahoo22476, or such.)

It was thought up based on believing that some of the ppl that don't vote, don't even look at the kickvote popup (be-it in their face) and on the occasions legitimate players would now be getting the majority of the f12 when being kicked. It's not hard to push a button.

Been here for a bit.

Chimpzz

Hawk_ish wrote: »

My idea was merely for the instances where we encounter someone using one of these 'illegal alternatives' and we attempt to kick. Less than half he players actually vote, leaving the non votes registered as f12.

And why do you think they don't vote?

I have been in rooms where cheaters don't get kicked after 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-infinity kicks but I do when I'm kicked the first or second time, are you saying these people don't know how to vote?

These non voters (that don't know how to vote) see "kick hak", "omg he's hacking", "kick him" a pop up box saying this playing is up for kick, it tells them the options "F11 agree" , "F12 disagree", they also see the "F11 to have sex with Megan Fox" spam and they see people being kicked all day.

Also CF players are known for being noobs and kick happy, are you really suggesting that hackers don't get kicked because nobody knows how? When you see threads on here every day about from legits saying they are fed up of being kicked?

Hawk_ish wrote: »

It's not hard to push a button.

Well actually it is because "people don't know how to vote". If it's not hard then why are you making suggestions about kick voting? because "It's not hard to push a button.".

And I've seen many players just on this forum that kick for no reason and obviously don't F12 legits (even mods), I've been in rooms where it's obvious the mods vote would be the deciding factor and guess what, yep you guessed it kicked.

And do you think all the hackers will be kicked if this noob voting system was introduced? Because I can tell you they won't.

All the noobs cried for kick voting in MM (bad idea) to kick the hackers, guess what rooms still full of them but you can't be a legit ace or turn commando because you will be booted.

Vex_1

Hawk_ish wrote: »

I say reverse the non votes so the default is 'agree'...so if noone votes they count as agree. Food for thought. >.<

*distraught by the rant above.*

But this would be a flippin great idea. Too bad it would have to originate from the Chinese version in order to be implemented here

OGBort

Hackers are underkick, and Legit players are kicked instead.

I have always played legit. It was my hope that once I got a little higher rank, I would get kicked less, but that's not the case. If I have no deaths, or a k/d ratio in a match of 4 or better, I get booted from map 80% of the time.

It's infuriating to see blatant hackers, zooming around the map, aim-bot, walling, flying, and all that. Yet, I get booted more often than the obvious hackers.

Next issue I've noticed with the current voting system, is when someone on the other team wants to vote you out, they simply switch teams and kick vote.

Individuals ability to start votes should have a daily limit or some arbiter a little more discerning than the average player. I've noticed the same people consistently starting kick votes for legit players

The "F12" default vote is because we're in the middle of a match! If I want to vote f11, I do (f11 is worth the risk of getting shot, if it's to get rid of a blatant hack). Otherwise I don't have to press anything to vote f12. That part is working how it's intended.

The problem is people often vote how they feel, and not what is real or fair. I've fallen victim to this myself... Frustrated because no one is willing to vote out the obvious hack, I hit f11 immediately thinking the vote is for the hacker. Often its the hacker voting for the legit player on their team, who might threaten they're "Ace" for the match.

7at

If this happens i would make a "Finished a game" ribbon... -_-

TheMoxx

" If I want to vote f11, I do (f11 is worth the risk of getting shot, if it's to get rid of a blatant hack)"

^^
Not every legitimate player does this, and some (even me) will miss a votekick at times (because I was in focus with the game, or in a tactical situation where attention was drawn)




"Otherwise I don't have to press anything to vote f12"

^^
Likewise, would it be for F11.


Idea's great. Just probably won't ever get implemented.

l_Hawk_l

Vekks wrote: »

*distraught by the rant above.*

I can see why.

Vekks wrote: »

Too bad it would have to originate from the Chinese version in order to be implemented here

Sadly.
One of 'those' ideas.

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OGBort wrote: »

I hit f11 immediately thinking the vote is for the hacker.

Think after the first time I've done this, I haven't done it again. Actually more quicker to vote f12. Just takes some reading.

TheMoxx wrote: »

"Not every legitimate player does this, and some (even me) will miss a votekick at times (because I was in focus with the game...."

I've done that.
Thankful for teamates
(I even miss a couple lines of chat here and there when in the mode)

Fortunately more ppl would be quick on the f12 in this scenario, maybe even making for less kicks of the legitimate.

TheMoxx wrote: »

Idea's great. Just probably won't ever get implemented.

Thanks^ Agreed. Reality is, the majority of actual game improvement suggestions are overlooked because there aren't any actual positions on the game's staff that actually sift and pick out presentable additions/modifications from the forum to bring to the development table. And, as Vekks had mentioned, it would have to be implemented in CF China first.
Odds of having people in the position mentioned prior, reporting these ideas to the Chinese development team, are even slimmer.

*Not claiming to impose the matter forward..... a critical idea that came by(most likely thought up before).. could get as many +1's as all suggestions combined, and may still not see the light of day.
#NoDevelopmentForumScouts

corvus0070

not the value of the votes must change,rather the time of the vote,example:1 hacker in the room (daily mission win s&d gm ....) they put him trough vote last minute in the last round,he gets 10 votes but because there r still 10 seconds left, many of them finish the game,because of those god damn 10 seconds.my suggestion is when a player is put trough vote and gets 10 votes instantly get kicked out of the room,or the game does not end until the vote is finished.what do u think of this guys?

xiaojayy

i bring you back to a topic i made with some changes

2+year players with honorable ribbon = immune to kick and maybe can have some extra powers when it comes to kicking

removing the ability from countries which make up the largest portions of people who abuse kicks/haacks etc

these are NA and UK servers... we are #1 countries yet we continue to allow outlanders to walk all over us

i would not stand for some randy arab/turk/similar and their mandem coming down my ends and trying to get me to move away
i dont stand for them trying to run me out of my own server

they should be appreciative and grateful not rude and discriminative

huehue 10 turks 1 room = if you arent turk you aint stayin
gets to the point where im kicked from every single bw or lab (depending wut mode i feel like playin) on uk4 and all thats left to do is uk38 or go on na and have americans with downs think 90-110 ping = br and i should **** off to my own servers -.-


when it comes to real haackers the majority are from arab lands/turk lands/balkans/south america

the few na/uks that hack are the ones which tryhard to hide them and usually spend their time in scrims/cws off client

Chimpzz

TheMoxx wrote: »

Not every legitimate player does this, and some (even me) will miss a votekick at times (because I was in focus with the game, or in a tactical situation where attention was drawn)

Well if your missing kicks when someone is "obviously hacking"" there is something wrong with you.

You should be missing them when nothing out of the ordinary is happening, that is probably why you miss them.

voyager40

I just wish they'd change it to 3/4 in a game of four people.

TheOrcus

Let us try to not confuse different issues about the voting system:

Imho:

Who calls the vote: Right now, the offender´s team has the control of calling, this goes against logic. On real life, the team that shall makes the call is the offended one, not the offender´s team.

Implicit votes: On the actual system, is IMPLICIT the will of the Non-voting players. The system ASSUMES that their vote is against (F12), that is a mistake. On real life, if someone not vote, or makes a null vote, this vote is not counted, and only be scored those votes effectively made.

Votes count: On most of systems like this, a simple majority is the common, half plus one.

If all the previous points been applied the offended team gonna need all their votes (6) and, at least, one more vote from the offender´s team to make the kick effective. This also force everyone on the offender´s team to grant the vote to avoid the kick penalty.

Fair enough........

TheOrcus

Finally, imho, to complete the improvement of the voting system, any player cannot be voted more than once per match. That avoids the "voting parties" on long matches, as well as, makes the offended teams to understand that kick voting is an ONLY ONE SHOT WEAPON !!!!, so it shall be used wisely....

13suKo37

No matter what changes are made to the kick voting system, people will always complain about it because the real fault is the CrossFire Community. For example, if you have ever played Combat Arms NA then you know how abusable that kicking system is, yet a lot fewer people are kicked because the community is better and abusers are often called out using a shout out. IMHO, the CrossFire Community is terrible because there are no/few region locks. People tend to side with those who speak the same language as them and live in the same country because they can understand each other. In Combat Arms NA, there are region locks so the majority of players understand each other, can talk to each other, and discuss who's legit and who's not.

iAdept_l

Chimpzz wrote: »

Well if your missing kicks when someone is "obviously hacking"" ....

I assumed he/she meant the 'not so obvious'....
(ones that tend to try and hide it)