Mutual Light Trick Agreement- Proposal
I'd request that you take time to read this:
Would major clans active in the forums be interested in an agreement in regards to light tricking? Let me explain my proposal.
Light tricking annoys us all and at one point or another, have started a trash war with another clan because of it. I'm guilty of both, but with a fresh mindset due to vacation a thought came across my mind.
Light tricking is a domino effect where the origin of it is start is unclear. Clan A light tricked against Clan B and C. Clan B in anger then light tricked C after another loss and C light tricked A because they didn't get their previous wins. (Hope you can follow that or at least get my point). This results in light tricking excessively that ultimately hurts everyone.
To not get too long I am wondering if people would like to join a collective agreement between clans, giving each other their word that they will stay the entire game, whether the final score is 10-8 or 10-0. If a clan fails to uphold their end of the bargain, a SS could be provided and that clan would most likely loose a great deal of respect. (Unless the clans decide to restart due to dc's or errors).
If the community agrees to my proposal I'll see if I can get a sticky (if not I'll create a separate thread still) outlining the terms of agreement and registered clans.
Sorry for being a **** the last 6 months or so, don't know why I went so far downhill. I used to be a community guy, but with all the stress of college, living on my own, and family issues I've been a time bomb. I'm trying to take steps to the kid I used to be, starting with this.
Regards,
Saint
Would major clans active in the forums be interested in an agreement in regards to light tricking? Let me explain my proposal.
Light tricking annoys us all and at one point or another, have started a trash war with another clan because of it. I'm guilty of both, but with a fresh mindset due to vacation a thought came across my mind.
Light tricking is a domino effect where the origin of it is start is unclear. Clan A light tricked against Clan B and C. Clan B in anger then light tricked C after another loss and C light tricked A because they didn't get their previous wins. (Hope you can follow that or at least get my point). This results in light tricking excessively that ultimately hurts everyone.
To not get too long I am wondering if people would like to join a collective agreement between clans, giving each other their word that they will stay the entire game, whether the final score is 10-8 or 10-0. If a clan fails to uphold their end of the bargain, a SS could be provided and that clan would most likely loose a great deal of respect. (Unless the clans decide to restart due to dc's or errors).
If the community agrees to my proposal I'll see if I can get a sticky (if not I'll create a separate thread still) outlining the terms of agreement and registered clans.
Sorry for being a **** the last 6 months or so, don't know why I went so far downhill. I used to be a community guy, but with all the stress of college, living on my own, and family issues I've been a time bomb. I'm trying to take steps to the kid I used to be, starting with this.
Regards,
Saint
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I can agree. As hard as it is to believe, with my clan being the seemingly infamous #69, I'm not too fond of LTing. Most of the time it's either because Buster told me/us to LT, or I hated that game so much that I just had to light trick. I've been cutting back on light tricking lately, staying in rooms even when Buster told me not to, but I know the rest of 69 is not on the same boat as me.
I can talk to them if you'd like, because I do like the idea of this. Almost all the clan wars we play nowadays results in one side LTing, whether it be us or them, and CWing hasn't been as much fun as before when you don't get the clan points you deserve. -
I see one major flaw, leader of clans that consist of more than 20 members cannot supervise their members 24/7.
There may be a few "cows" here and there intentionally sabotaging one clans reputation, even if you fish them out, you won't be able to stop some hate that may be going on.
Although I think is a fine idea, it too big for us (as players) to control. -
This ^'Danny wrote:[;3658180']I see one major flaw, leader of clans that consist of more than 20 members cannot supervise their members 24/7.
There may be a few "cows" here and there intentionally sabotaging one clans reputation, even if you fish them out, you won't be able to stop some hate that may be going on.
Although I think is a fine idea, it too big for us (as players) to control.
But I think this idea is great. Is this going to be similar to the Coalition of Legit Clans? -
back in April, after a 6v5 win vs Veracity(when I was still in IT)
me: gg
saint: not gg
saint: noob
:P
Its a good idea, but how many clans would join this? Maybe 3 or 4....
And as Danny mentioned, people could just join clans to troll. That would suck.
The LCC failed because no one cared about it, and it didnt imply anything, so you would need to somehow enforce this. -
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Light tricking annoys us all and at one point or another, have started a trash war with another clan because of it. I'm guilty of both
To me it looked like your clan light tricked 2nd half at the very end.
Not saying that FOH doesn't light trick but it seems that a lot of people like to call us out when we LT or ask for bandis but when every other clan does it it seems to be okay.
I guess in the wee hours of the morning I accidently deleted the one paragraph where I stated I couldn't speak for other clans, but Veracity light tricks primarily Detox. Although we beat each other close to 50% of the time we never stay. Both sides LT due to a very bitter rivalry dating back to November of 12. I also elaborated on a few things supporting my idea.
*In regards to FoH I can honestly say FoH light tricks more than #69 and that takes a huge effort. I've been on your TS3 and the leader and LT's are great people, as well as a few members, but the closest game your clan has had is 10-6. Most don't even get past the first half because you've won 0-3 rounds. At least #69 plays through the majority of the game now, even winning more than I probably give credit for. Also, if you noticed we had a dc first half. Why take a loss for a dc? It's something I need to consider for my proposal and how to deal with it.
Now bashing unneeded posts aside I would like to address the "clans too big to control" point:
Most clan wars have the leader or an LT participating in them correct? In fact, I'd say 85% of the time a leader or LT is competing. Logically then, I believe it is quite easy for leaders and their lt's to step it up and take control of the situation. Most members look up to or respect these people and if they say "don't lt" they will stay. If members rebel than can be dealt with directly in the clan.
I'd also perhaps have the leaders (sort of like LLC) discuss SS's of LT. We'd have to take into account at first that it is a new idea and forgive old habits (not too many) and notice things like there were no leaders or LT present. -
I guess in the wee hours of the morning I accidently deleted the one paragraph where I stated I couldn't speak for other clans, but Veracity light tricks primarily Detox. Although we beat each other close to 50% of the time we never stay. Both sides LT due to a very bitter rivalry dating back to November of 12. I also elaborated on a few things supporting my idea.
*In regards to FoH I can honestly say FoH light tricks more than #69 and that takes a huge effort. I've been on your TS3 and the leader and LT's are great people, as well as a few members, but the closest game your clan has had is 10-6. Most don't even get past the first half because you've won 0-3 rounds. At least #69 plays through the majority of the game now, even winning more than I probably give credit for.
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Yea you seemed pretty cool on ts.
The main reason why we light trick is because of a disadvantage. Just like you and other clans say that you'll only light trick because it's a 4v5(at a disadvantage) well playing against armor,spop and op guns is playing against a disadvantage too so if you want us to play the whole match then even the playing fields otherwise we're going to keep light tricking until then.
You could either use gp guns or zp guns without full wallbang, and armor or simply don't join our rooms.
We've beaten almost every clan in the clan server just like a lot of the decent clans have rolled us before. -
Now bashing unneeded posts aside I would like to address the "clans too big to control" point:
Most clan wars have the leader or an LT participating in them correct? In fact, I'd say 85% of the time a leader or LT is competing. Logically then, I believe it is quite easy for leaders and their lt's to step it up and take control of the situation. Most members look up to or respect these people and if they say "don't lt" they will stay. If members rebel than can be dealt with directly in the clan.
I'd also perhaps have the leaders (sort of like LLC) discuss SS's of LT. We'd have to take into account at first that it is a new idea and forgive old habits (not too many) and notice things like there were no leaders or LT present.
Here lies two problems,
1. you cant expect a clan to enforce a new rule to their clan for your cause, meaning a clan without the rule of having a leader or LT in a CW now has to do so, in order to make this work better.
2. " If members rebel than can be dealt with directly in the clan."
Yes, but you cant have the clan's reputation riding on that one person (or a few people) at fault. -
'Danny wrote:[;3658593']Here lies two problems,
1. you cant expect a clan to enforce a new rule to their clan for your cause, meaning a clan without the rule of having a leader or LT in a CW now has to do so, in order to make this work better.
2. " If members rebel than can be dealt with directly in the clan."
Yes, but you cant have the clan's reputation riding on that one person (or a few people) at fault.
1. I did not say that. Please read what I said. I said that most clans seem to have the leader, LT, or (I'll add now) a highly trusted and respected member present ALREADY in 85% of the cwars. Therefore if those members enforce the agreement that will reduce light tricking by close to 85%. If the other members don't listen that results #2.
2. Again I already addressed this issue. I stated that if the SS doesn't include any LT's or Leader it would most likely be dismissed and up to the management of the guilty clan of what to do with the members.
Please take the time to read my proposal if you're going to comment or criticise. People like you are what make forum life miserable.
Lastly what does the community think of dc's in the match and light trick the half because I am unsure to handle this. I have a few ideas, I'll post them later. -
1. I did not say that. Please read what I said. I said that most clans seem to have the leader, LT, or (I'll add now) a highly trusted and respected member present in 85% of the cwars. Therefore if those members enforce the agreement that will reduce light tricking by close to 85%. If the other members don't listen that results #2.
2. Again I already addressed this issue. I stated that if the SS doesn't include any LT's or Leader it would most likely be dismissed and up to the management of the guilty clan of what to do with the members.
Please take the time to read my proposal if you're going to comment or criticise. People like you are what make forum life miserable.
Lastly what does the community think of dc's in the match and light trick the half because I am unsure to handle this. I have a few ideas, I'll post them later.
Whoa whoa there tiger, I'm trying to help you here, and if you think I'm making your life miserable, sure I will stop.
Just look how LCC turned out, I stated from the beginning it wasnt going to work, but they took it on themselves even though there were a few small holes.
If you aren't going to listen, then good luck. -
'Danny wrote:[;3658807']Whoa whoa there tiger, I'm trying to help you here, and if you think I'm making your life miserable, sure I will stop.
Just look how LCC turned out, I stated from the beginning it wasnt going to work, but they took it on themselves even though there were a few small holes.
If you aren't going to listen, then good luck.
Saint doesnt need help obvi bc he's the best hurdur -
'Danny wrote:[;3658807']Whoa whoa there tiger, I'm trying to help you here, and if you think I'm making your life miserable, sure I will stop.
Just look how LCC turned out, I stated from the beginning it wasnt going to work, but they took it on themselves even though there were a few small holes.
If you aren't going to listen, then good luck.
I don't mind people's opinions, that's why I posted this. I just don't like people quoting me of things that I didn't say.
Unlike the LCC it is more of an incentive than a group or select individuals. Sure, at first the leaders and LT's might get on once or twice to talk, but the overall goal of this is at least to slow down or minimize LT'ing. Not be a group attempting to meet.
I'd just like to see more matches go through. I speak on behalf of Veracity and the latest matches with WAL. We haven't light tricked each other recently and I find that we're becoming more friends than rivals. LT'ing seems to divide clans (oh they dodge/suck/blow/qq/bla/mucho burrito) and perhaps this could help lessen some tension.
Just my opinion though, if ya kids keep wanting to LT, complain about it (yes I am in that group), and let the BR farm clans get all the points that's cool too. (Don't get mad about "kids" I call everything a kid). -
Im not kidding you this is why its called "light" trick. In 09 we were all in this clan called Panthers or 10 i dont recall. I dont remmber, but im going to say DGod told luke that if you leave at the end of a game your kills and death dont count. I also believe he told pollo another friend of mine. They ended up telling me, but i thought it was useless since i wanted to rank up.
Okay so there was a guy named zach. Im not sure who told him about leaving at the end so it wont count towards your kd. I want to say it was dgod, pollo, or luke. One of them for sure. So he got kicked from Panthers, and darksheild left to start a new clan with them. They named it invisible.
At that time they had names like this *Dark_ and *mystic_. Zach changed it to *Light_. During his time of invisible he had a bs kd in gm which was 8.0 i believe. If he wasnt he would just leave so it wouldnt count. It took them a while for his clan to figure what he was doing. I used to call him out on it, but he would just deny it. Yeah, so all of invisible knew because the word got arround. They joked on vent like whats that little trick you do to keep that high kd and thats how its got the name light trick. It was only known in gm, but some how everyone just says it now. Its pretty funny if you ask me. He didnt find it, but he did abuse it. So the orgin of its name came from a player called Light and now everyone uses it. -
Yea you seemed pretty cool on ts.
The main reason why we light trick is because of a disadvantage. Just like you and other clans say that you'll only light trick because it's a 4v5(at a disadvantage) well playing against armor,spop and op guns is playing against a disadvantage too so if you want us to play the whole match then even the playing fields otherwise we're going to keep light tricking until then.
You could either use gp guns or zp guns without full wallbang, and armor or simply don't join our rooms.
We've beaten almost every clan in the clan server just like a lot of the decent clans have rolled us before.
Excuses. DC's happen, live with it. You can still win 4v5. I do horrible in CWs and still stay, lol.
light trickin? for shitties.
Whatever, my expectations of pub clans are at a nadir. Probably won't touch this game more than a few times until August. SF2 pub community seems better. -
Im not kidding you this is why its called "light" trick. In 09 we were all in this clan called Panthers or 10 i dont recall. I dont remmber, but im going to say DGod told luke that if you leave at the end of a game your kills and death dont count. I also believe he told pollo another friend of mine. They ended up telling me, but i thought it was useless since i wanted to rank up.
Okay so there was a guy named zach. Im not sure who told him about leaving at the end so it wont count towards your kd. I want to say it was dgod, pollo, or luke. One of them for sure. So he got kicked from Panthers, and darksheild left to start a new clan with them. They named it invisible.
At that time they had names like this *Dark_ and *mystic_. Zach changed it to *Light_. During his time of invisible he had a bs kd in gm which was 8.0 i believe. If he wasnt he would just leave so it wouldnt count. It took them a while for his clan to figure what he was doing. I used to call him out on it, but he would just deny it. Yeah, so all of invisible knew because the word got arround. They joked on vent like whats that little trick you do to keep that high kd and thats how its got the name light trick. It was only known in gm, but some how everyone just says it now. Its pretty funny if you ask me. He didnt find it, but he did abuse it. So the orgin of its name came from a player called Light and now everyone uses it.
LOL, that's funny,
Didn't know it had such an interesting past to it.
I think I remember hearing it back in '10 but never tried it cause back then my computer was a piece of junk, took 3-5 minutes to load a game. -
Excuses. DC's happen, live with it. You can still win 4v5. I do horrible in CWs and still stay, lol.
light trickin? for shitties.
Whatever, my expectations of pub clans are at a nadir. Probably won't touch this game more than a few times until August. SF2 pub community seems better.
The best part is when you have 5 and they have 6 and they end up light tricking. -
Im not kidding you this is why its called "light" trick. In 09 we were all in this clan called Panthers or 10 i dont recall. I dont remmber, but im going to say DGod told luke that if you leave at the end of a game your kills and death dont count. I also believe he told pollo another friend of mine. They ended up telling me, but i thought it was useless since i wanted to rank up.
Okay so there was a guy named zach. Im not sure who told him about leaving at the end so it wont count towards your kd. I want to say it was dgod, pollo, or luke. One of them for sure. So he got kicked from Panthers, and darksheild left to start a new clan with them. They named it invisible.
At that time they had names like this *Dark_ and *mystic_. Zach changed it to *Light_. During his time of invisible he had a bs kd in gm which was 8.0 i believe. If he wasnt he would just leave so it wouldnt count. It took them a while for his clan to figure what he was doing. I used to call him out on it, but he would just deny it. Yeah, so all of invisible knew because the word got arround. They joked on vent like whats that little trick you do to keep that high kd and thats how its got the name light trick. It was only known in gm, but some how everyone just says it now. Its pretty funny if you ask me. He didnt find it, but he did abuse it. So the orgin of its name came from a player called Light and now everyone uses it.
Screenies or not true ok man
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