OCG Anticheat Vote
Hello Guys,
As we are always listening to the community, we have made this poll because we find there is a lot of controversy whether someone should be banned due to having hacks on the computer or in game.
Our belief here at OCG is: If the item is a third party program. We do not allow third party programs to be used or have on your computer. These are our rules. No reason to download hacks. If you had no intent of using them, why download them?
But others have there own opinion, therefore I have made a poll with the basis of opinions I have been getting. The one that gets the most votes, will be the one we will stick with from now on.
Please Note: Depending on which opinion from the poll wins, you may get unbanned from the OCG ACS, on the most recent ban list update.
Thank You and as always Happy Voting!
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Evan
OCG President
As we are always listening to the community, we have made this poll because we find there is a lot of controversy whether someone should be banned due to having hacks on the computer or in game.
Our belief here at OCG is: If the item is a third party program. We do not allow third party programs to be used or have on your computer. These are our rules. No reason to download hacks. If you had no intent of using them, why download them?
But others have there own opinion, therefore I have made a poll with the basis of opinions I have been getting. The one that gets the most votes, will be the one we will stick with from now on.
Please Note: Depending on which opinion from the poll wins, you may get unbanned from the OCG ACS, on the most recent ban list update.
Thank You and as always Happy Voting!
Click Here
Evan
OCG President
Comments
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1st to reply, Lola. Glad to see you guys taking action. Btw just saying, I don't get the reason why someone should be banned for having a hack for a diff game. But GL making a lot of people not hate your half assed organization! If you keep heading down this path you aren't going to have a good legacy
Ok, people are gonna start flaming soon, I bet. Have fun making up garbage responses
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Just to clarify, we do not ban you for other games. We could care less about other games. This is not suppose to be a troll thread. We are trying to give the vote to the community, and we stand behind your vote, as we are always listening to the community.
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Ellustrial wrote: »i fully support bans for unused - but downloaded - cheats
So like if they downloaded the cheats, and it is still in there downloads folder but they never extracted it to the desktop and used it? Just wondering.. I want to better the situation, so I want insight on all ideas. -
PEOPLE SHOULD VOTE FOR HAVING A CLEAN PC WITHOUT ANY CHEATS since it's a legit tournament right?
Edit: Why is people voting for ''You should only ban if they hack ingame not if they have a hack on there computer'' LIKE FO REAL? supporting the cheaters instead of having a legit tournament god these days... -
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you have cheats in your pc so what ? they could cheat all day long and we could not careless, as long as in tournaments and leagues they do not use the cheat then they are legit. Only ban ppl that use the cheat while playing matches in tourneys.
then later they use it to bypass the anticheat because OCG didn't not take initiative to ban them.... (Also it's makes many suspicions if a player is doing good at OCG but still having cheats at his pc) -
So like if they downloaded the cheats, and it is still in there downloads folder but they never extracted it to the desktop and used it? Just wondering.. I want to better the situation, so I want insight on all ideas.
Correct.
I've never been against the actions taken against LOGIC, only against the actions of your staff member when he was questioned about it. -
Poll wrote:
- We do not allow third party programs to be used or have on your computer.
- You should only ban if they hack in-game not if they have a hack on their computer.
- Ban for having VIP Hacks on their computer, and if they're in-game with them.
- Start banning if they have hacks for other games, their computer should be cleaned.
Not only were there a plethora of mistakes, your last option implied that you have the right to remove a file from someone's computer. I wonder what happens when your AC deletes something important to a user that was suggested to be a hack. Is that even legal without someone's permission? Regardless if it's in the ToS. -
The 4th option annoys me, it's not your job to make sure everyone's computers are clean, they shouldn't have to have their computer cleaned out just to run your anti-cheat. The point of an anti-cheat is to make sure that people don't cheat while PLAYING in your tournament/leagues. If they're not cheating, then there is no point to ban them. If they later use their cheat in CF and not in your tournament, then it is xtrap's job to pick that up, not you.traceokuhn wrote: »Not only were there a plethora of mistakes, your last option implied that you have the right to remove a file from someone's computer. I wonder what happens when your AC deletes something important to a user that was suggested to be a hack. Is that even legal without someone's permission? Regardless if it's in the ToS.
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It's not something that should be decided by poll.If you had no intent of using them
Whether or not you had the intent of using them is irrelevant. What IS relevant is whether or not you had the intent of using them in a BAD WAY. By your logic, there is no reason that anybody should own a handgun, because the only reason to purchase one is to go out and murder somebody.
There are specific reasons and exceptions to why you would still ban people for simply having cheats, however those are situational and need to be considered on a game to game, possibly case to case basis. -
I never meant to say that it did, it was a run on sentence. But stillNo, the fourth options states that the players computer should be clean not cleaned.haha
We don't plan to waste our time with cheaters anymore.
"it's not your job to make sure everyone's computers are clean, they shouldn't have to have their computer cleaned out just to run your anti-cheat. The point of an anti-cheat is to make sure that people don't cheat while PLAYING in your tournament/leagues. If they're not cheating, then there is no point to ban them. If they later use their cheat in CF and not in your tournament, then it is xtrap's job to pick that up, not you."
I swear, you don't even read people's post or even acknowledge them. If you did then you wouldn't result to a poll like you have no choice.
Agreed[MOD]Denxi wrote: »It's not something that should be decided by poll.
Whether or not you had the intent of using them is irrelevant. What IS relevant is whether or not you had the intent of using them in a BAD WAY. By your logic, there is no reason that anybody should own a handgun, because the only reason to purchase one is to go out and murder somebody.
There are specific reasons and exceptions to why you would still ban people for simply having cheats, however those are situational and need to be considered on a game to game, possibly case to case basis. -
Denxi and I were talking about this a lot last night. It's a very large "grey" area, this topic. Sure, we all know what the majority of people who download a cheat for a game plan to do with it. However, having them simply sit on their PC does NOT warrant a grounds for a permanent ban. Obviously a cheat is used for cheating in most cases, however you can not make the assumption of intent. At that point, you are making an assumption they are going to cheat, which is 100% not undeniable proof they are cheating. There's no fact in that assumption. If they aren't caught using the cheat, then on what grounds do you have to ban them for actually cheating? You don't have those grounds to warrant a ban because you actually haven't caught them in the "act" of cheating.
Your anti-cheat should be good enough to determine the difference and then you can make a judgement accordingly. I would be in support of a formal warning to the user, should you have a problem with the 3rd party programs found just sitting on their computer. However, a full on permanent ban? Too harsh, in my opinion. -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »Denxi and I were talking about this a lot last night. It's a very large "grey" area, this topic. Sure, we all know what the majority of people who download a cheat for a game plan to do with it. However, having them simply sit on their PC does NOT warrant a grounds for a permanent ban. Obviously a cheat is used for cheating in most cases, however you can not make an assumption of intent. If they aren't caught using the cheat, then on what grounds do you have to ban them for actually cheating? You don't have those grounds to warrant a ban because you actually haven't caught them in the "act" of cheating.
Your anti-cheat should be good enough to determine the difference and then you can make a judgement accordingly. I would be in support of a formal warning to the user, should you have a problem with the 3rd party programs found just sitting on their computer. However, a full on permanent ban? Too harsh, in my opinion.
You have a point. Some could download a cheat with the intent to get into the core files of it and figure out how it's working and tip Z8 off. Because they could definitely use the help. -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »Denxi and I were talking about this a lot last night. It's a very large "grey" area, this topic. Sure, we all know what the majority of people who download a cheat for a game plan to do with it. However, having them simply sit on their PC does NOT warrant a grounds for a permanent ban. Obviously a cheat is used for cheating in most cases, however you can not make the assumption of intent. At that point, you are making an assumption they are going to cheat, which is 100% not undeniable proof they are cheating. There's no fact in that assumption. If they aren't caught using the cheat, then on what grounds do you have to ban them for actually cheating? You don't have those grounds to warrant a ban because you actually haven't caught them in the "act" of cheating.
Your anti-cheat should be good enough to determine the difference and then you can make a judgement accordingly. I would be in support of a formal warning to the user, should you have a problem with the 3rd party programs found just sitting on their computer. However, a full on permanent ban? Too harsh, in my opinion.
I agree with you totally. We have been listening to the voice of the community, and we are going to make the changes needed to make the community happy. We are a new organization and we are always looking for new ideas,development, etc. And I'm sorry for those also, who I may not be acknowledging. Though, in my honest opinion, I do not understand why players download cheats... So I like the idea by Polleus that we will add in a warning system. -
I voted that they shouldn't be banned if it wasn't running during the time they had the AC running but, if a player has the file on their computer it should be made public what kind of cheat it is and take that into consideration as something like a speed hack could be fun to use in a private room but things like crosshair hacks deserve a public answer as to why it's on their computer. Some things deserve public scrutiny but not quite a ban. Someone has a no weight hack and runs slightly faster? People may notice it but never look into it as they could shrug it off as maybe they're just second guessing themselves but when it shows up on AC it would basically confirm they have been using it. Something like that doesn't show up on bandi either.
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traceokuhn wrote: »Not only were there a plethora of mistakes, your last option implied that you have the right to remove a file from someone's computer. I wonder what happens when your AC deletes something important to a user that was suggested to be a hack. Is that even legal without someone's permission? Regardless if it's in the ToS.
yes it is just like when you install an app on your iphone and android phone, almost all apps have this in their ToS, they can delete/read any files on your phone including text messages sent to your point, it is the same principal, once you agree to that, they can do what their ToS states, no arguing -
asdfaf***x wrote: »yes it is just like when you install an app on your iphone and android phone, almost all apps have this in their ToS, they can delete/read any files on your phone including text messages sent to your point, it is the same principal, once you agree to that, they can do what their ToS states, no arguing
lmfao . -
So after reading these poll results, basically, you guys want UAC. If you want UAC functionality, we'll give you UAC functionality and make it so it just takes screen shots. Is this honestly what you want? Because we'll do what makes the players happy. That's what were about. We'll take out all the functionality that makes it an amazing AC, and make it un-effective. Please choose wisely and think before you make your decision. That's all we have to say.
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So after reading these poll results, basically, you guys want UAC. If you want UAC functionality, we'll give you UAC functionality and make it so it just takes screen shots. Is this honestly what you want? Because we'll do what makes the players happy. That's what were about. We'll take out all the functionality that makes it an amazing AC, and make it un-effective. Please choose wisely and think before you make your decision. That's all we have to say.
No, keep the scan, but only ban on running processes. Don't be an idiot, nobody asked for you to merely take screenshots. -
so after reading these poll results, basically, you guys want uac. If you want uac functionality, we'll give you uac functionality and make it so it just takes screen shots. Is this honestly what you want? Because we'll do what makes the players happy. That's what were about. We'll take out all the functionality that makes it an amazing ac, and make it un-effective. Please choose wisely and think before you make your decision. That's all we have to say.
make it so u dont get banned for having cheats on ur pc. If we dont use them why the fvuk do u care? Holy shiit its not hard -
So after reading these poll results, basically, you guys want UAC. If you want UAC functionality, we'll give you UAC functionality and make it so it just takes screen shots. Is this honestly what you want? Because we'll do what makes the players happy. That's what were about. We'll take out all the functionality that makes it an amazing AC, and make it un-effective. Please choose wisely and think before you make your decision. That's all we have to say.
If your AC will only take SS's then everybody will be cheating. -
yoloswagdawg wrote: »How are we supposed to know if they aren't hacking ingame even though they have hacks on their computer? Just wondering.
Scan the running processes...
If their anticheat can't detect if a hack is running then that's just pathetic
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