scar light at the lan
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The Scar Light was nerf'd, and the m12 was nerf'd.
With that said, and while I agree with the boosting / wallbang rules,
1. the Scar Light is still a clearly better alternative to the QBZ / m4 / AK,
2. and the m12 is still a clearly better alternative to the majority of other guns. -
M4 is OP because: Low recoil, high accuracy, decent damage.
AK is OP because: Controlable recoil, high accuracy, godlike damage.
AWM is OP because: 100% Accuracy, 1 hit kill <- Body/Head
D.Eagle is OP because: High Accuracy, High damage.
Scar.L isn't as OP because: Basically the same as the M4A1 except with a faster reload. -
Do you think about what you post before you post it?aTastyCookie wrote: »Lol dw bout it.
As long as they allow Qbz or K2. Those are more OPed than M4 tbh. It's just the M4s more fast paced that's why everyone uses it.
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Wait just read the stuff. Lol I was like..... -
M4 is OP because: Low recoil, high accuracy, decent damage.
AK is OP because: Controlable recoil, high accuracy, godlike damage.
AWM is OP because: 100% Accuracy, 1 hit kill <- Body/Head
D.Eagle is OP because: High Accuracy, High damage.
Scar.L isn't as OP because: Basically the same as the M4A1 except with a faster reload.
nuff said -
Yes sir.fglionheart wrote: »Do you think about what you post before you post it?
The Qbz and K2 is one shot more accurate than M4.
M4 = 2 Shots
K2/Qbz = 3 Shots + More accurate spray
Correct me if I'm wrong with a vid.
That's not the case.M4 is OP because: Low recoil, high accuracy, decent damage.
AK is OP because: Controlable recoil, high accuracy, godlike damage.
AWM is OP because: 100% Accuracy, 1 hit kill <- Body/Head
D.Eagle is OP because: High Accuracy, High damage.
Scar.L isn't as OP because: Basically the same as the M4A1 except with a faster reload. -
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iiTwAsLucKoL wrote: »I remember playing you guys on bw one time and you ran a 2 person in mid strat with xm8's and just tried to spam the **** out of us :P
Used to be like 3-5 xm8's a side back then though.
Was mainly just me/0zz with xm8s. sype/jbiel used the m4-adv and mrn ak'd.AwfulFallout wrote: »lol the blues
It hurts never haven won a stanley cup. What's a fan to do? -
M4 is OP because: Low recoil, high accuracy, decent damage.
AK is OP because: Controlable recoil, high accuracy, godlike damage.
AWM is OP because: 100% Accuracy, 1 hit kill <- Body/Head
D.Eagle is OP because: High Accuracy, High damage.
Scar.L isn't as OP because: Basically the same as the M4A1 except with a faster reload.nuff said
Both of yall reread what he wrote you might understand the flaw in what was written. Logic is simple -
It actually depends all on the user that is using the gun. For example, no matter what gun you use, MALTE will destroy you with his regular AK while on the other hand, he might not be as good with m12s over AK. We never know until we see it!aTastyCookie wrote: »Lol dw bout it.
As long as they allow Qbz or K2. Those are more OPed than M4 tbh. It's just the M4s more fast paced that's why everyone uses it.
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Wait just read the stuff. Lol I was like..... -
Not reading the thread cause **** ya'll and ****. But a couple of things:
SL = M4. They're almost the exact same gun. I've done fire pattern and recoil testing to prove this in the past. (I actually don't have the screens anymore Doop, new comp and all, but I can easily get them again.)
M12s is not OP. The M12s is the only viable SMG, just as the Despies are the only viable shotgun. By allowing these two weapons, you open up more viable methods of play. The M12s falls off at range pretty drastically. Obviously it will be a strong pick on a map like Mexico, however it will be a weaker pick on larger maps like Ankara. -
scar light is no where near broken.
XM8 is limited, allows more variety.
these rules are much better than the uptight rules we've been having the past years, kudos to whoever created them. The only really broken guns in this game is M4C. I wish armor was allowed too! :] -
Not reading the thread cause **** ya'll and ****. But a couple of things:
SL = M4. They're almost the exact same gun. I've done fire pattern and recoil testing to prove this in the past. (I actually don't have the screens anymore Doop, new comp and all, but I can easily get them again.)
M12s is not OP. The M12s is the only viable SMG, just as the Despies are the only viable shotgun. By allowing these two weapons, you open up more viable methods of play. The M12s falls off at range pretty drastically. Obviously it will be a strong pick on a map like Mexico, however it will be a weaker pick on larger maps like Ankara.
+ M12s take more shots to kill even with a higher fire rate. -
`Bruce1nR[oL]: m12?
denxi: It's the onyl viable SMG, and it falls off hard enough at range to make it viable in conjunction with rifles
denxi: anyone who can't beat an M12 at mid- long range is bad
denxi: like I said, the goal was to open up more viable playstyles
denxi: specifically close range ones
denxi: Despies and M12s do that
denxi: because they wreck at close but they fall off hard at range
`Bruce1nR[oL]: Why even introduce wallbang guns? We already went through this "sit behind a wall and spam you" phase.
denxi: Cant do that with only 1 per team
denxi: And witht he maps chosen
denxi: its not like
denxi: it's factory
denxi: MAYBE on sub some issues, but thats debatable
`Bruce1nR[oL]: factory: mid-doors, a long
port: mid, a long, b long
ceyhan: mid, b long, b trail
mexico: mid, sewer mid
santoria: a long, mid
BW: mid, b, a long, cat
`Bruce1nR[oL]: sub: a long
denxi: How many wall damage guns per team do you have?
`Bruce1nR[oL]: 1
denxi: =\
denxi: there ya go
denxi: If that person
denxi: wastes their ****
denxi: its doen then
denxi: also I'll cnp something
denxi: sec
`Bruce1nR[oL]: Look, I understand what you're trying to do with the "one per team" rule, as I had attempted to introduce that **** when I wrote the rules for WOGL based off my experience in cod4 promod, but it didn't work then, why do you want it now/
denxi: "First thing I did when Jon asked me about writing the rules was ask him if he wanted me to include any biases or goals when I was doing it. Specifically, whether or not to place value in the popular/current ruleset.
He said no.
Now, don't misconstrue me as "blaming" Jon for the rule change, because that's not what I'm doing. I'm saying that when I made the rules, what mattered to me was opening up more playstyles while still keeping it "balanced" (which it is, **** the morons who don't understand the concept of a balance and a baseline). "
denxi: It's not about
denxi: Actually ****
denxi: sec wrong CnP im dumb
`Bruce1nR[oL]: Dont CnP I've read it all
denxi: Not formt he forums silly
denxi: [03:59] denxi: the current popular ruleset is bull****, it forces a small variety of guns when we have multiple viable options open that would allow for more play styles, and more complex play. Not only that, but the current popular ruleset was DEFINED by popularity. There is no baseline. Nobody ever sat down and actually balanced **** out, because practically nobody in the CF community is actually capable of taking on a project that big and that tasking
denxi: Regardless, it isn't a NOW thing
denxi: If this lan happened a couple months ago
denxi: rules woulda been the same
denxi: I want to open up the floor to more playstyles than the stagnent
denxi: People being forced to use similar rifles in all playstyles
denxi: barring snipers ofc
denxi: adding a 3rd option means theres a 3rd option
`Bruce1nR[oL]: cod4: ak47/ak74/m700
cs: ak47/m4/awp
quake: rocket launcher/railgun
sudden attack: ak47/sna
tribes: spinfusor
cf: ak/m4/awm
`Bruce1nR[oL]: Every game has guns that standout from the rest
`Bruce1nR[oL]: Now is not the time to try and rock the boat
denxi: You dip
denxi: well amybe not
denxi: maybe Ill be proven the dip
denxi: but
denxi: What is CS's M12s?
`Bruce1nR[oL]: CS:GO = p90
denxi: You either need to change your wording
denxi: Or I culd easily argue that its not my fault everybody is using "YP" guns
denxi: UP*
`Bruce1nR[oL]: OP*
denxi: No, "UP" is the m4 n ****
denxi: "OP" would be M12
denxi: even tho
denxi: it isnt actually OP
denxi: and people are just ******ed
denxi: regardkess
`Bruce1nR[oL]: I'm going to have to ask: What is 'UP'?
denxi: under powered
denxi: Regardless
denxi: I fail to see your argument
denxi: Use the popular vote because other agmes have stand out guns?
denxi: Thats completely disconnected
denxi: please specify/elaborate
`Bruce1nR[oL]: The map pool, what prompted you to pick say...factory, over Castle?
denxi: Well considereing that factory wasnt picked
denxi: nothing
denxi: but
denxi: In general
denxi: I wanted to have a very tight group of maps, while still allowing for variety in play
denxi: now obviously that sounds really vague
denxi: so Ill try to elaborate
denxi: Compared to a map like mexico
denxi: santoria provides a lot more options in certain regards
denxi: map pool was trying to
denxi: again
denxi: be tight
denxi: but still have enough "diversity" to allow multiple different focuses
`Bruce1nR[oL]: Every map is diverse. Factory/Castle: Long B is totally dominated by snipers and rifles while A site is SMG based.
denxi: No **** every map is diverse
denxi: But why does that mean that maps can't be diverse on a larger scale as well
denxi: wtf
denxi: thats like
denxi: if you said
denxi: omg factory is GR sided and sub is T sided, thats why i chose them, for diversity
denxi: and I went
denxi: hey maps are already diverse
denxi: Just because maps can be diverse within themselves
denxi: doesnt mean that every map is the same
`Bruce1nR[oL]: "diverse on a larger scale" p-p-please explain, d-denxi-san
denxi: ok now I can't ell if you're ****in with me
denxi: why u do dis????
`Bruce1nR[oL]: Are you saying that Mexico is short ranged and Black Widow is long ranged so they even each other out?
`Bruce1nR[oL]: and that creates balance?
denxi: There's no "evening" that has to be done
denxi: its not a system of balance, there is no equation
denxi: a large variety of maps/playstyle, within a low total amount
denxi: It's not like
denxi: omg I have 3 long ranged
denxi: need 3 short
denxi: it's like
denxi: ok so mexico heavily promotes nade stalling
denxi: Now we have a map in the pool that promotes that style of play
denxi: etc.
denxi: its about including as many different team playstyles as possible
denxi: withing a low amount of maps
`Bruce1nR[oL]: Its a one day lan, teams are not going to be able to show those different playstyles if they're getting eliminated on mexico by 5 m12s
denxi: Considering there are multiple maps per roun
denxi: or thats what Jon conveyed
`Bruce1nR[oL]: Thats a long way to travel to get eliminated by a gun that 890234890234890 percent of players think is overpowered
denxi: popular vote argument alert
denxi: unless you're tryign to shift into
denxi: omg your gonna ruin the lan
denxi: in which case
denxi: thats not my concern, thats JON'S concern
`Bruce1nR[oL]: Stop trying to analyze where I'm going like you're some sort of debate/chess player.
denxi: if he thinks the rules will mean less revenure or w/e
denxi: then he can change them
denxi: Im trying to amke your argument a valid one
denxi: because if you dont go in that direction
denxi: then it isnt
`Bruce1nR[oL]: I don't have an arguement, I'm hearing your side.
denxi: "[04:50] `Bruce1nR[oL]: Thats a long way to travel to get eliminated by a gun that 890234890234890 percent of players think is overpowered"
`Bruce1nR[oL]: ...
denxi: Thats pretty damn provocative for a "fearing your side" mentality
denxi: hearing
denxi: w/e
`Bruce1nR[oL]: Just stick to the rules
denxi: original rules in CBT were all GP guns
denxi: get @ me
denxi: best arguer ever
`Bruce1nR[oL]: Speaking of Jon: Why you? Someone who doesn't even play CF or have a presence in e8 at all...
denxi: cause I'm a cool cat
denxi: **** that's a really good phrase
denxi: anyways, liek I said
denxi: popular vote is irrelevant
denxi: so unless they revamped the whol game's mechanics in the last few months
denxi: I fail to see how that effects like 5 years of play/knowledge n ****
denxi: Now ofc
denxi: if you're going to include pop vote and whatnot
denxi: you're got a point
denxi: But like I said
denxi: didnt go into this with that as a factir
`Bruce1nR[oL]: You dodged my question
denxi: ?
denxi: Fine I'll go read chatlogs I guess?
denxi: sec
`Bruce1nR[oL]: I'm just asking how you got onboard with this
denxi: he said
denxi: Hey denxi I need me some rules
denxi: you wanna write them? you know your ****
denxi: and I was like
denxi: sure men
denxi: w/e
denxi: And then I did
denxi: and I didnt dodge your question
denxi: I explained why my recent lack of ctivity was irrelevant
denxi: so unless you were questioning my ENTIRE involvement in CF and ****
denxi: I don't see what I failed to convey
`Bruce1nR[oL]: So the map choices were Denxi's, the gun choices are Denxi's
`Bruce1nR[oL]: Anything else is popular vote
`Bruce1nR[oL]: and if you don't like it, don't come.
`Bruce1nR[oL]: That all?
denxi: please rephrase, I dont see what you're getting at
denxi: What is this "Anything Else"
denxi: also whats the intent of that
denxi: I honestly have no clue
`Bruce1nR[oL]: The intent is to point out how you, someone who has never played CF at a high level, is suddenly making the ruleset for it's very first community organized lan with over $2,000 at stake.
denxi: ok so it WAS a total involvement questioning
`Bruce1nR[oL]: Someone who isn't even active in CF, at that.
denxi: jebuz
denxi: "[05:01] `Bruce1nR[oL]: Someone who isn't even active in CF, at tha"
denxi: Already showed how that's irrelevant, dont be throwing outdated **** back in or else I'll stop taking you seriously
denxi: That wasnt my response Btw
`Bruce1nR[oL]: Whats your gain from this? Are you being paid by Jon? Are you attending LAN for free?
denxi: but I see ur typing
denxi: I gain nothing. I'm ****ing santa clause, handing out rules to the good little fps lans
denxi: srsly tho, no gain.
denxi: Well i mean
denxi: Any time boosting is legal
denxi: thats a win
`Bruce1nR[oL]: Boosting doesn't matter to me one bit.
denxi: but If you're trying to pick for a malicious reason
denxi: I'm not sure if you're waiting for me to fill in blanks or not
denxi: regardless it's irrelevant because there isnt one
denxi: I a lot about the game
denxi: I can back up my ideas
denxi: and it wasn't a huge task
denxi: also I've got free time yp the wazoo
denxi: but even then
denxi: it's not even clsoe to a huge task
denxi: so if you're still looking for MY motivation
denxi: for why I accepted
denxi: I've got nothing more for ya
denxi: that's it
`Bruce1nR[oL]: Fair enough.
`Bruce1nR[oL]: You did it because you felt like it, okay I get it.
denxi: No
denxi: I did it because I did it
denxi: Felt liek it has some weird implication I'd rather avoid
denxi: but w/e
denxi: semantics that dotn amtter to most people
`Bruce1nR[oL]: So whats the idea behind restricting wallbangs to 1 per team, and allowing unlimited snipers?
denxi: snipers are self restricting
denxi: well
denxi: for the most part
denxi: snipers are like
denxi: a modifcation of the rifel playstyle
denxi: it's a different playstyle
denxi: where the wallbang guns
denxi: are an enhancement on a current playstyle
denxi: you could run 5 XM8's with little disadvantage compared to 5 M4's
denxi: but 5 AWMs?
denxi: there's disadvantage to self-restrict it
`Bruce1nR[oL]: And the decision to introduce the SL even though thats been banned since the AA days
denxi: dude **** that ****, that's all popular vote crap again
denxi: SL isn't OP, and don't even get me started on OP as a subject
denxi: but that's all taboo crap
denxi: prejudice ****, don't be hatin you gunist
`Bruce1nR[oL]: What makes you think that you know better than the people who play this game daily? The "popular" vote
denxi: because nobody has gone "Hey, here's a baseline, here's a logical reason why this is the baseline, backed up by evidence an testing"
denxi: Not that I've done that
denxi: but I can back my **** up with logic
denxi: which nobody else can do appaerently
denxi: or if they can
denxi: they haven't done it yet
denxi: Actually you really need to specify "Know Better"
denxi: better for what?
denxi: cause that could be interpretted multiple diferent ways
`Bruce1nR[oL]: Know better enough to come in and radically change things the way you're trying to do
denxi: know I mean specify like
denxi: You could be implying that I inherently think I'm superior
denxi: Or you could be referring to knowing whats best for the community
denxi: or the gameplay
denxi: or you could be referring, and this is how I took it, to being more correct
`Bruce1nR[oL]: Why don't you stop trying to read into what I'm saying with your psudeo-debate skills and just focus on the words on the screen
denxi: Dude go **** yourself
denxi: Words are only there to represent idea
denxi: Im trying to determine
denxi: WHAT
denxi: idea
denxi: you're conveying
denxi: otherwise I CANT ANSWER IT
denxi: And **** that ****
denxi: psuedo debate skills
denxi: I dont ****ing try to specify
denxi: I just ****ing do
denxi: sorry I have a natural preference for specificity
denxi: so if I ask you to specify or clarify an idea
denxi: it's probably because there are multiple ways I could take what you wrote
denxi: so I want to be sure I'm responding to the right one
`Bruce1nR[oL]: I'm done with you Denxi. Lol, I'm not going to drop down to personal insults but I think you need to pull your head out of your ass and realise you're not the end all know all of Cross Fire. This ruleset won't last until LAN, book it.
denxi: I dont THINK I am
denxi: I think that no one has presented logic to go
denxi: HEY
denxi: THIS SI WHY THIS IS UNBALANCED
denxi: If someone has
denxi: PLEASE
denxi: LINK ME
denxi: I welcome that ****
denxi: Whetehr or not this ruleset lasts based on other factor
denxi: s
denxi: I dont give a fck about
denxi: if you read what I said before
denxi: I went into this without consideration of that ****
denxi: So if you're actually trying toa rgue it
denxi: you're wasting both of our tim
denxi: because it's compeltely irrelavnt
denxi: I swear to god I didn't think
denxi: you were oen of those "omg you think you know everything" people
denxi: I'll say what I've posted count;less times
denxi: I don't think I know everything
denxi: I see logic
denxi: I post logic
denxi: I respond to any logic that's posted back
denxi: If no logic is posted back
denxi: or no new logic/data is found by me
denxi: no change is required on my part
denxi: If you can't udnerstand that
denxi: Idk where to go from there
denxi: so w/e -
`Bruce1nR[oL]: So the map choices were Denxi's, the gun choices are Denxi's
`Bruce1nR[oL]: Anything else is popular vote
`Bruce1nR[oL]: and if you don't like it, don't come.
`Bruce1nR[oL]: That all?
denxi: please rephrase, I dont see what you're getting at
denxi: What is this "Anything Else"
denxi: also whats the intent of that
denxi: I honestly have no clue
`Bruce1nR[oL]: The intent is to point out how you, someone who has never played CF at a high level, is suddenly making the ruleset for it's very first community organized lan with over $2,000 at stake. -
`Bruce1nR[oL]: Anything else is popular vote
`Bruce1nR[oL]: and if you don't like it, don't come.
`Bruce1nR[oL]: That all?
denxi: please rephrase, I dont see what you're getting at
denxi: What is this "Anything Else"
denxi: also whats the intent of that
denxi: I honestly have no clue
`Bruce1nR[oL]: The intent is to point out how you, someone who has never played CF at a high level, is suddenly making the ruleset for it's very first community organized lan with over $2,000 at stake.
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