Better votekick

ssuiless

but may i ask where that stand those names? and would it say like each time something like '5/16 votes' in the chat?

BullishNiu

BadMonkey666 wrote: »

You guys didn't understand how this votekick works, right?

I understood it, but thank you for making it more clear. I still have a question, is there a time limit?

BadMonkey666 wrote: »

Or not knowing how to defuse the bomb / having negative score / having a way to good score / being from a specific country

people kick other users for a lot of reasons.

That was my point. I have seen a few time people kicking noobs with scores like 1/23, but not 6/10. Kicking the one with 1/23 might be good for him, because then it won't mess up his KD. Having a good score is not an attribute of a noob. People usually can't ell what country someone else is from, unless they flaunt it by typing Chinese or something.
And agreed, yes they do.

BadMonkey666 wrote: »

Tell me again, what is so bad about this suggestion? What is better about the current kickvote?

Your system is better in many aspects. The current system works better in some aspects as well. For example it is easier to kick. Some players don't have time to go to Esc to kick vote someone because they are in the middle of an intense fire fight and can't shift their focus.

BadMonkey666 wrote: »

Which melee weapon can I buy with GP? I can't buy any melee weapon, now how is that fair?

ZP players can buy bullet proof and special weapons that have more ammo. People with zp have way better items then players without. And you don't win a lot of GP, you can't buy all of the good weapons.

I said decent weapons. having 5+ ammo and a camo skin is not that big of a perk. Many pro players think that the regular M4A1 is the best. Yes I agree that ZP users can get better stuff for less time, but the game is mainly based on skill. You can get armor 30 days for just 10 coupons, with is not that hard to get even with only GP crates. A good melee you can get for free is the Kris, like I mentioned, it is unfortunately not for GP, but for having enough skill to get 140,000+ points in ZM. Many players agree that they only use one weapon because they are used to it. There is no need to buy all of the weapons.

BadMonkey666 wrote: »

But it is way harder to kick with the new votekick system and people will therefore just ignore it. And even if they don't ignore it and still kick them, they do it now too and they will always do it. Still this will stop people who randomly press f11 or f12.

Agreed.

BadMonkey666 wrote: »

Same thing happens in cs? What? In cs no one presses f11 or f12 because they want to get that window away, because there is no window. This can't happen in cs.

What I meant was people in CS will vote not kick because they don't know if the kicked is a hacker or vote to kick just for the "lulz". And I said before that the window does not disappear after you vote in CF, It only gets smaller by one line.

BadMonkey666 wrote: »

Well okay, let's say this new system wont stop them, it will still stop other noobs and isn't that a good thing?

Yes it is a good thing. Barely.

BadMonkey666 wrote: »

Let's say this new votekick doesn't makes it 100% better, but it will still make it like 50% better which is still a good thing.

I never denied that your system is better, in fact I think it is in general. However it is not better enough to over rule the fact that it is easier to keep the current system than to install a totally different one.

I would appreciated it if you could address my points a little more directly. I'm sorry If I misunderstood anything.

FrozenSyther

Many people are too lazy to open up the window and click on whoever.

Our current system almost forces you to pick agree or disagree which is better then not participating at all.

Some people don't read chat while playing and our current system pops up a window informing that there's a kick vote going on.

BadMonkey666

It's actually not worth the effort, I haven't even played crossfire since a long time. Anyway, I like to talk and that's why I will continue this.

suiles wrote: »

but may i ask where that stand those names? and would it say like each time something like '5/16 votes' in the chat?

All the names don't stand on your screen.

When you press esc the normal "esc menu" comes up with options and votekick and the other stuff.

When you click votekick you see all the names, like in the current system but with the enemy team too. You choose one and the window close and that's it.

You just see a chat message but nothing more, the current window we have that says that someone is being kicked is gone.

Bu11ish wrote: »

I understood it, but thank you for making it more clear. I still have a question, is there a time limit?

I'd say until the end of the round. I don't know how they made it in counter strike. All I can see is that it isn't 15 seconds.

I think this is good because you can just keep playing until you have time and then vote if you agree or not. I think the current votekick is bad because 15 seconds are not enough to decide if someone is hacking or not. Sometimes I just join the room and I don't know the player that is being kicked. Well I could just press f12 but what if he is really a hacker? That would be unfair to legit players because they have to play longer with the hacker. I could also just press f11 but what if the player was not a cheater and didn't deserve to be kicked?

That's why I think it is better to make the limit longer.

Bu11ish wrote: »

The current system works better in some aspects as well. For example it is easier to kick. Some players don't have time to go to Esc to kick vote someone because they are in the middle of an intense fire fight and can't shift their focus.

Okay I see your point. You think it is bad because it is longer and we wont have time to concentrate on it because we are in a fight or something else.

But try to look at it from this aspect. The Votekick last longer, maybe a round +10 seconds so you can decide while you are in your base.

This is one thing i don't like about the current system. I am in middle of a fight or I try to hide from the enemy and then the window pops up and asks me if I want to kick that person. At that moment I might not be sure if he really deserves to be kicked. With this new votekick I could just wait until all the enemies or I die and then vote.


Do you still think that it is bad? I might have forgot one point or see it the wrong way, I wouldn't mind it if you tell me.

Bu11ish wrote: »

I said decent weapons. having 5+ ammo and a camo skin is not that big of a perk. Many pro players think that the regular M4A1 is the best. Yes I agree that ZP users can get better stuff for less time, but the game is mainly based on skill. You can get armor 30 days for just 10 coupons, with is not that hard to get even with only GP crates. A good melee you can get for free is the Kris, like I mentioned, it is unfortunately not for GP, but for having enough skill to get 140,000+ points in ZM. Many players agree that they only use one weapon because they are used to it. There is no need to buy all of the weapons.

+5 ammo can save your life. It happened many times that I killed the enemy with my last bullet in the mag in cs and also cf. Now If I had +5 ammo I could kill another player. Many people in counter strike buy the p90 or the big machine gun with 100 bullets because of this. +5 Ammo is also good in sniper matches. When I play one of those 16 player sniper matches I get killed a lot because I have to reload.

But yes it doesn't makes a big different when you have rifles. I also don't steal gold ak's because I know that I own with me own weapon too. Crossfire is not as bad as Battfields free to play game where you are pretty f*cked up without the pay content.

But I still wouldn't call Crossfire a skill based game. Have you ever seen an aimboter in Modern Warfare or counter strike? They have 0 death scores like 50-0, but the aimboters in crossfire still have a lot of deaths. This is because the crossfire engine is delayed. The game is not 100% sync. Sometimes you shot an enemy and he doesn't gets any damage.

Bu11ish wrote: »

What I meant was people in CS will vote not kick because they don't know if the kicked is a hacker or vote to kick just for the "lulz". And I said before that the window does not disappear after you vote in CF, It only gets smaller by one line.

I guess I didn't understand you the first time, thanks for explaining it again.

In Counter Strike most of the servers have admins that can ban cheaters instantly, that's why most of the people don't use the votekick anyway. Honestly I haven't made a lot of experience with the votekick since people rarely use it but the few times it has been used it worked good.

Well yes it is only a little bit smaller but once it is smaller I stop looking at it and I can concentrate on the game (you just lost it) again. I don't know if it's just me but the votekick window really annoys me. I don't want to make a wrong decision and that's why I get killed a lot when the window is there.

Bu11ish wrote: »

I never denied that your system is better, in fact I think it is in general. However it is not better enough to over rule the fact that it is easier to keep the current system than to install a totally different one.

Haven't I said somewhere in this thread that I don't think that they will add? Maybe it was on another thread.

I've created some threads with suggestions and I know that none of them will be added. doesn't matter if people agree to it or not.

I think the whole Suggestion area is like a bone you throw at a dog. The Admins added this sub-forum to keep us busy. It's actually pointless to suggests something but hey, I like to play with the bone.

Bu11ish wrote: »

I would appreciated it if you could address my points a little more directly. I'm sorry If I misunderstood anything.

I'll try my best

FrozenSyther wrote: »

Many people are too lazy to open up the window and click on whoever.

Yes that's actually a good thing.

I will tell you what happens now.

Someone starts a votekick because they think the player is to good and they can't kill him.

Others see the window and don't know if he is a hacker or not but because everybody says f11 in the chat they just press it.

But with the new system they wouldn't press esc and chose to kick him because they are to lazy.

FrozenSyther wrote: »

Our current system almost forces you to pick agree or disagree which is better then not participating at all.

I think this is bad because sometimes you don't know if the player is really bad or not.

FrozenSyther wrote: »

Some people don't read chat while playing and our current system pops up a window informing that there's a kick vote going on.

They will notice it, they always notice it.

One more thing, Bu11ish it's fun to talk with you because you are one of the few people on this forum who know how to discuss and act on a forum. I had threads where people repeated the same cr*p all over again.

By the way, until 20 June Counter Strike Source costs only 6.80. I think the steam sales are international.

BullishNiu

BadMonkey666 wrote: »

I'd say until the end of the round. I don't know how they made it in counter strike. All I can see is that it isn't 15 seconds.

I think this is good because you can just keep playing until you have time and then vote if you agree or not. I think the current votekick is bad because 15 seconds are not enough to decide if someone is hacking or not. Sometimes I just join the room and I don't know the player that is being kicked. Well I could just press f12 but what if he is really a hacker? That would be unfair to legit players because they have to play longer with the hacker. I could also just press f11 but what if the player was not a cheater and didn't deserve to be kicked?

That's why I think it is better to make the limit longer.

Okay I see your point. You think it is bad because it is longer and we wont have time to concentrate on it because we are in a fight or something else.

But try to look at it from this aspect. The Votekick last longer, maybe a round +10 seconds so you can decide while you are in your base.

This is one thing i don't like about the current system. I am in middle of a fight or I try to hide from the enemy and then the window pops up and asks me if I want to kick that person. At that moment I might not be sure if he really deserves to be kicked. With this new votekick I could just wait until all the enemies or I die and then vote.

Agreed on all points. The time limit now is so you don't have to wait forever to kick the next person. That's not a problem in your system because multiple people can be kicked at once. However you do have to realize that someone can kick more than once in the current system. Also, a player can point out the hacker in the chat, and when he has enough support and the time is good for most people to vote, say at the beginning of the round, it's not a problem. it's not bad, it just seems like a way to do some thing that can already be done.

BadMonkey666 wrote: »

+5 ammo can save your life. It happened many times that I killed the enemy with my last bullet in the mag in cs and also cf. Now If I had +5 ammo I could kill another player. Many people in counter strike buy the p90 or the big machine gun with 100 bullets because of this. +5 Ammo is also good in sniper matches. When I play one of those 16 player sniper matches I get killed a lot because I have to reload.

But yes it doesn't makes a big different when you have rifles. I also don't steal gold ak's because I know that I own with me own weapon too. Crossfire is not as bad as Battfields free to play game where you are pretty f*cked up without the pay content.

As you said it does not make that big of a difference in rifles, although it may just save your life sometimes. You seem to describe spraying, and I would say aim is way more important. Same with snipers, aim is the key.

BadMonkey666 wrote: »

But I still wouldn't call Crossfire a skill based game. Have you ever seen an aimboter in Modern Warfare or counter strike? They have 0 death scores like 50-0, but the aimboters in crossfire still have a lot of deaths. This is because the crossfire engine is delayed. The game is not 100% sync. Sometimes you shot an enemy and he doesn't gets any damage.

Hit registry and lag is a problem, I do not dispute. But hey CF is pretty good for being free, and not pay to win kind of game. I guess I shouldn't call it a skill based game either, but at least we agree that it is not strictly pay to win, right?

Since CS probably makes more money, they would have better anti hack systems and game mods to get rid of hackers. And if hackers do get banned they have spend more money to get the game again, so there is a major difference.

BadMonkey666 wrote: »

<other stuff you said>

I think we may differ on opinion of player psychology, I would like to discuss that in depth with you.

BadMonkey666 wrote: »

I think the whole Suggestion area is like a bone you throw at a dog. The Admins added this sub-forum to keep us busy. It's actually pointless to suggests something but hey, I like to play with the bone.

They say they read it, but I really don't know.

BadMonkey666 wrote: »

One more thing, Bu11ish it's fun to talk with you because you are one of the few people on this forum who know how to discuss and act on a forum. I had threads where people repeated the same cr*p all over again.

Thanks. It's easy, I just try to agree with people as much as possible.

ChaosPedooo

I dont understand why we need a another kik voting system .. The present kik voting system is good and i dont have any problems with it at all. Yes , its annyoing if the other team dont a hacker cause they beed him to win but we have to deal with it.. Mostly they get kiked cause there some players with honor out there..

ssuiless

ChaosPedooo wrote: »

I dont understand why we need a another kik voting system .. The present kik voting system is good and i dont have any problems with it at all. Yes , its annyoing if the other team dont a hacker cause they beed him to win but we have to deal with it.. Mostly they get kiked cause there some players with honor out there..

or they try to kick him if they tried you cant blame them that they won because of that hacker.

BadMonkey666

ChaosPedooo wrote: »

I dont understand why we need a another kik voting system .. The present kik voting system is good and i dont have any problems with it at all. Yes , its annyoing if the other team dont a hacker cause they beed him to win but we have to deal with it.. Mostly they get kiked cause there some players with honor out there..

I named some more points beside that, you should read the whole post before you comment.