A new look on hack prevention
So I was in an EM today, when I decided I'd camp next to train. After being prefired and killed, I started to suspect he walled. He didn't have no recoil, he didn't have instant reload. He was just walling as I figured out later. I checked my "sources" and amazingly enough, there was just that. A wallhack.
After 23 agonizing rounds, nobody kicked him despite my begging, and he accused me of crying in a language I didn't understand. I realized after this, these people either didn't know how to kick him, didn't understand me, or just chose not to.
What can we do to fix this? Well, in another game (not stated because it's not allowed), there's an "Elite moderator", which when you're the host of a room, gives you the ability to kick anyone. Now, the main argument of this is that they will kick anyone. You can still make a non elite moderator room, or get "Elite moderator" yourself. This would stop hacks at least for the people who buy zp, and this is something I would pay a lot for.
Another option would be to make a server for something besides Staff Sargent 1+. Say, SFC 1 + or even Master Sargent/Second Lieutenant. Hackers rarely make it past SFC, and Master Sargent there is even less. One of the servers that is Staff Sergent 1+ is literally taken over by another country and if your ping is less than 100 you get kicked. Delta 9, go ahead and give it a go. These are useless to most of us. Please, either increase the level or make another +5% gp with a higher rank requirement. This will greatly improve our play quality. Thank you, please, try to keep posting here. I really think this will almost completely remove our hack infection.
After 23 agonizing rounds, nobody kicked him despite my begging, and he accused me of crying in a language I didn't understand. I realized after this, these people either didn't know how to kick him, didn't understand me, or just chose not to.
What can we do to fix this? Well, in another game (not stated because it's not allowed), there's an "Elite moderator", which when you're the host of a room, gives you the ability to kick anyone. Now, the main argument of this is that they will kick anyone. You can still make a non elite moderator room, or get "Elite moderator" yourself. This would stop hacks at least for the people who buy zp, and this is something I would pay a lot for.
Another option would be to make a server for something besides Staff Sargent 1+. Say, SFC 1 + or even Master Sargent/Second Lieutenant. Hackers rarely make it past SFC, and Master Sargent there is even less. One of the servers that is Staff Sergent 1+ is literally taken over by another country and if your ping is less than 100 you get kicked. Delta 9, go ahead and give it a go. These are useless to most of us. Please, either increase the level or make another +5% gp with a higher rank requirement. This will greatly improve our play quality. Thank you, please, try to keep posting here. I really think this will almost completely remove our hack infection.
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All your suggestions been suggest many times before. Xtrap is doing a really good job at the moment detecting and banning the hackers.
Really? That's really sad. Even if they detect the hacks, new ones are constantly coming out. The community is probably not very educated on how bans or hacks even work. Xtrap can do anything they want, and hackers will continue to make new accounts and use new hacks. This is a cycle that can be stopped with one of these two methods, at least to a point. Thanks for your post, though with that attitude you aren't helping the game, you're watching it die. -
Thanks for your post, though with that attitude you aren't helping the game, you're watching it die.
Don't see any attitude in his post at all, and what he said was right. It's been suggested a million times with small variations.
OT:The "Host powers increased" suggestions aren't going to happen. Having to buy it may seem like a good idea, but do you really think that people would buy the item for the sole reason of kicking hackers? I wouldn't. Using the typical thought pattern of the average high pinger, I would kick every single person that does better than me, because they're "hackers". Those with a lower skill level wouldn't be able to distinguish hackers from those who are simply good at the game, and then the complaints would come in, like they did with the FFA/MM and variations kick system that 80% of the CF population voted for.
The "Make servers higher ranked" idea is also a good idea that's been suggested millions of times, but seeing as how UK5 never worked out as a Staff Sarg+ server and Delta is constantly lifeless if you exclude D9, it isn't going to happen. -
Don't see any attitude in his post at all, and what he said was right. It's been suggested a million times with small variations.
OT:The "Host powers increased" suggestions aren't going to happen. Having to buy it may seem like a good idea, but do you really think that people would buy the item for the sole reason of kicking hackers? I wouldn't. Using the typical thought pattern of the average high pinger, I would kick every single person that does better than me, because they're "hackers". Those with a lower skill level wouldn't be able to distinguish hackers from those who are simply good at the game, and then the complaints would come in, like they did with the FFA/MM and variations kick system that 80% of the CF population voted for.
The "Make servers higher ranked" idea is also a good idea that's been suggested millions of times, but seeing as how UK5 never worked out as a Staff Sarg+ server and Delta is constantly lifeless if you exclude D9, it isn't going to happen.
Attitude isn't necessarily a bad thing. You can have a positive attitude, a negative attitude (etc), he had a, lets say lazy attitude, relying just on xtrap and despite "millions" of threads being made and this request still being ignored, disregarding that. We, as a community, can at least attempt to do something.
Saying that people with high ping do something in particular is discrimination and I would like if you refrain from being discriminational.
But you do have a point. Yes, people would kick people who are better than them. Though this has already been answered if you read the first post, you don't have to join their room (this is already a problem with regular kick voting.). You can make a normal room, or buy it yourself. If they want to kick everyone, let them, and they'll eventually realize that it's not very fun, or not. Maybe have some sort of honor system for being an "Elite moderator". So 80% of the cf population would not join "Elite moderator"s rooms. Also, about the 80% complaining, that's a totally random number, please don't make things up either.
Delta is dead because there's no point in going there. Americans/Canadians get constantly kicked, and if they didn't, hackers would still be there. Anybody else can't read english so they don't know what it is. If there were a SFC or Master Sargent + server, would you go there? "it isn't going to happen" Exactly the type of attitude I was talking about. If you think like that, of course not. Why not just change it to SFC/Master Sargent though, it would be just as much as a lifeless server as it was before, would it not? That's the worst case scenario. Which probably won't happen, as I know I'd be there, as well as a lot of people I know. -
How was I giving you attitude? Your "suggestion" has many negatives sides to it too. People can abuse the 'Elite Moderator' and rank won't help it being less abused. Making a server with a higher rank requirement won't help the hacking situation. It would help people who play on the server, but not for the game in general. Why not keep this game hack free instead of keeping it hack free just for higher rank players? I'm pretty sure they did make a server with SCF+ (I'm not that sure, but I think it was one of the UK servers.) Saying that I have a "lazy" attitude based off of 2 sentences. How do you know the request is being ignored? Maybe they're working on it, maybe they're not. If they had a server that needed a rank requirement higher than Staff Sergent, what makes you think that foreigners won't "take over" that server also? Bob also gave you a scenario that happened and you say that him and I have a lazy attitude. He's trying to tell you that it didn't work out when they tested it.
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Do you know how many noobs play cf?
If you give them the ability to kick anyone, they will abuse it. Even if it's ZP, there are many noobs who buy ZP and I also saw some hackers with ZP.
Just take a look at all those HM/MM games, they all kick the good players.All your suggestions been suggest many times before. Xtrap is doing a really good job at the moment detecting and banning the hackers.
Yes that's right, they have been suggested before but they aren't added to the game, that's a reason to suggest them one more time.
Also Xtrap is not doing a good job at all. It might be not bad at the moment but it will get bad again. Just go to google and search for "xtrap s*cks" You will find many results because many people thing that xtrap is bad.I'm pretty sure this is from combat strike...
So what? I never played combat strike, I don't know if it's from them but even if it's, whats so bad about it?
I think z8games should make some kind of tournaments and record some of the games. Later then can check the videos and make some of those players, who are good and trustfully to moderators who can ban other players.
That's one way to stop hackers.
The server with higher limit is a good idea too. -
How was I giving you attitude? Your "suggestion" has many negatives sides to it too. People can abuse the 'Elite Moderator' and rank won't help it being less abused. Making a server with a higher rank requirement won't help the hacking situation. It would help people who play on the server, but not for the game in general. Why not keep this game hack free instead of keeping it hack free just for higher rank players? I'm pretty sure they did make a server with SCF+ (I'm not that sure, but I think it was one of the UK servers.) Saying that I have a "lazy" attitude based off of 2 sentences. How do you know the request is being ignored? Maybe they're working on it, maybe they're not. If they had a server that needed a rank requirement higher than Staff Sergent, what makes you think that foreigners won't "take over" that server also? Bob also gave you a scenario that happened and you say that him and I have a lazy attitude. He's trying to tell you that it didn't work out when they tested it.
This pretty much sums up what I wanted to say. -
I see flaws in both of your suggestions:
1. Hacker buys Elite Moderator, anyone who accuses or whines is kicked.
2. Who are you kidding? Many players above Master Sergeant have/do hack. This server wouldn't be that populated, probably half of Alpha 7 would move there, and that's about it, because who wants to verse professionals all the time?
A really good suggestion would be to increase ingame Moderation.
Xtrap vs hackers is an ongoing battle. That battle ending is equivalent to you winning the lottery. -
How was I giving you attitude? Your "suggestion" has many negatives sides to it too. People can abuse the 'Elite Moderator' and rank won't help it being less abused. Making a server with a higher rank requirement won't help the hacking situation. It would help people who play on the server, but not for the game in general. Why not keep this game hack free instead of keeping it hack free just for higher rank players? I'm pretty sure they did make a server with SCF+ (I'm not that sure, but I think it was one of the UK servers.) Saying that I have a "lazy" attitude based off of 2 sentences. How do you know the request is being ignored? Maybe they're working on it, maybe they're not. If they had a server that needed a rank requirement higher than Staff Sergent, what makes you think that foreigners won't "take over" that server also? Bob also gave you a scenario that happened and you say that him and I have a lazy attitude. He's trying to tell you that it didn't work out when they tested it.
Ok. You know what? Just forget I said you had an attitude, as it's obviously upsetting you and bob. I'm sorry.
You have a lack of motivation to do anything to help this game. From those 2 sentences, yeah. Xtrap is doing a good job at banning the stupid hackers that are stupid enough to use detected hacks. Anyone who isn't stupid is going to download one that isn't detected, rendering Xtrap utterly useless. So yeah, xtrap is doing a good job at banning stupid hackers, but that's about it, and whats stopping stupid hackers from making another account?
Kick voting is abused, should we remove it? They aren't forced to join "Elite moderator" rooms. I can't stress that enough, it's only abused if you join some random "Elite moderator" lobby that happens to be a player that kicks people of higher skill. Have a friend that has "Elite moderator". It's funny that you're so against it thinking it'll be abused. It has been implemented in another game, and is rarely abused. About as much, if not less than kick voting here. How do I know that? Everyone has kick voting. Only 1 person in a room has "Elite moderator" privileges.
So instead of everyone below SFC suffering, everyone has to suffer? It would help the game a lot more than nothing. Which is what seems to be going on.
I think the foreigners won't take over the new server because we'll have motivation to play on it, a high rank requirement that keeps new accounts out.
Also, I never said bob had a lazy attitude. Isn't UK different from alpha bravo charlie delta foxtrot? They didn't test Master Sargent either. Why not make foxtrot Master Sargent, since it's dead anyways? I would've hoped the community would be trying to help instead of hinder me.I see flaws in both of your suggestions:
1. Hacker buys Elite Moderator, anyone who accuses or whines is kicked.
2. Who are you kidding? Many players above Master Sergeant have/do hack. This server wouldn't be that populated, probably half of Alpha 7 would move there, and that's about it, because who wants to verse professionals all the time?
A really good suggestion would be to increase ingame Moderation.
Xtrap vs hackers is an ongoing battle. That battle ending is equivalent to you winning the lottery.
1. Hackers don't get kicked very often anyways, read my original post. Wouldn't you just leave? Come on. It's like you guys are just thinking of ways to prove me wrong.
2. If that's true, what is xtrap doing? At least the people in the server will know how to vote kick. Alpha 7 is Chinese. Not high ranks. That just doesn't make any sense, to me at least.
You have to admit vsing high ranks iss better than vsing people who can always see you, have no recoil, kill with one knife slash(I'll just end it there.). -
Ok. You know what? Just forget I said you had an attitude, as it's obviously upsetting you and bob. I'm sorry.
You have a lack of motivation to do anything to help this game. From those 2 sentences, yeah. Xtrap is doing a good job at banning the stupid hackers that are stupid enough to use detected hacks. Anyone who isn't stupid is going to download one that isn't detected, rendering Xtrap utterly useless. So yeah, xtrap is doing a good job at banning stupid hackers, but that's about it, and whats stopping stupid hackers from making another account?
Kick voting is abused, should we remove it? They aren't forced to join "Elite moderator" rooms. I can't stress that enough, it's only abused if you join some random "Elite moderator" lobby that happens to be a player that kicks people of higher skill. Have a friend that has "Elite moderator". It's funny that you're so against it thinking it'll be abused. It has been implemented in another game, and is rarely abused. About as much, if not less than kick voting here. How do I know that? Everyone has kick voting. Only 1 person in a room has "Elite moderator" privileges.
So instead of everyone below SFC suffering, everyone has to suffer? It would help the game a lot more than nothing. Which is what seems to be going on.
I think the foreigners won't take over the new server because we'll have motivation to play on it, a high rank requirement that keeps new accounts out.
Also, I never said bob had a lazy attitude. Isn't UK different from alpha bravo charlie delta foxtrot? They didn't test Master Sargent either. Why not make foxtrot Master Sargent, since it's dead anyways? I would've hoped the community would be trying to help instead of hinder me.
Facepalm. Tell me, how many hackers have you seen in the past 3 months? I've seen maybe a maximum of 5 for the past 3 months. Hackers aren't even that big of a problem anymore, so why waste time implementing things meant to deter the now non-existant hackers, when it could also mean abuse from other players? It's annoying enough to have people insist that you hack and kick you after the game, but now you want to give them the ability to also kick you at any time in-game? The suggestion could be implemented in other games, but with such a poor community as the majority, the only thing that would come out of it is abuse.
The higher rank requirement suggestion. All of your points that you have made could also go the other way around. You state that low pingers would populate the server, but what if the foreigners do? It would simply be another D9, and it would do absolutely nothing to solve the problem. The foreigners would have the server, and the NA players would want to avoid that server, forming another D9, like I've said before.
Also, we're not trying to "hinder you". We're simply stating our opinions. If you can't deal with negative feedback, then don't bother making a suggestion. -
XTrap is doing a very fine job on preventing hackers. They provide Crossfire with a patch every month to detect any hacks that are available to the public. I can honestly say that I have not seen a hacker in the past 100 matches I've played. The last hacker I saw was about two weeks ago, he was aimbotting in Fortress TD; however he was kicked instantly.
I don't know what you've been reading, or if someone influenced you, but you're on the wrong path, and your solutions aren't even solutions, they are "band-aids", which will only work for so long. -
Facepalm. Tell me, how many hackers have you seen in the past 3 months? I've seen maybe a maximum of 5 for the past 3 months. Hackers aren't even that big of a problem anymore, so why waste time implementing things meant to deter the now non-existant hackers, when it could also mean abuse from other players? It's annoying enough to have people insist that you hack and kick you after the game, but now you want to give them the ability to also kick you at any time in-game? The suggestion could be implemented in other games, but with such a poor community as the majority, the only thing that would come out of it is abuse.
The higher rank requirement suggestion. All of your points that you have made could also go the other way around. You state that low pingers would populate the server, but what if the foreigners do? It would simply be another D9, and it would do absolutely nothing to solve the problem. The foreigners would have the server, and the NA players would want to avoid that server, forming another D9, like I've said before.
Also, we're not trying to "hinder you". We're simply stating our opinions. If you can't deal with negative feedback, then don't bother making a suggestion.
I've seen at least 2 today. On my "sources" page, source 1.a has 2,465 downloads. Only 5 you say? Interesting. Source 1.b has 2,498 downloads. HUH. If you're not bright enough to figure it out, "sources" is a hack site and 1.a/1.b are hacks. Not every hack, just one "source". They aren't nonexistent, just good at covering themselves up to people like you. Btw source 1.a has STW that works on egypt, go play some egypt and get hit from nowhere sometime.
You keep acting like every single room would have an "Elite moderator". I shouldn't have to argue with those points, as you could just not join.
By hinder me I mean you aren't trying to help, you're sitting on your asses not doing a thing for this game as it slowly gets overridden with hackers and foreigner. I don't mind negative feedback, I just give negative feedback to those who give me negative feedback. I feel you're trying to hinder me. Negative feedback.
This game is amazing, even with it's no reg and infection of laggers, it's one that requires skill. I'm just trying to help. -
XTrap is doing a very fine job on preventing hackers. They provide Crossfire with a patch every month to detect any hacks that are available to the public. I can honestly say that I have not seen a hacker in the past 100 matches I've played. The last hacker I saw was about two weeks ago, he was aimbotting in Fortress TD; however he was kicked instantly.
I don't know what you've been reading, or if someone influenced you, but you're on the wrong path, and your solutions aren't even solutions, they are "band-aids", which will only work for so long.
Xtrap is. Yeah, but like I said, new accounts, new hacks.
Read my other post, there are hackers, you are either blinded by something, or extremely lucky.
Do you play in the mornings when most of the people online aren't english?
I haven't read anything or heard anyone say anything, my first post, I like this game and I'd rather not watch it die to ignorance. band-aids are better than nothing in my opinion. -
Well you're creating band-aids with holes in them. These holes can easily be exploited, such as a hacker purchasing "Elite Moderator" (better known as a CA item).
The only real solution is a better auto-ban system, surprise in-game patches, and more in-game Moderation. -
Well you're creating band-aids with holes in them. These holes can easily be exploited, such as a hacker purchasing "Elite Moderator" (better known as a CA item).
The only real solution is a better auto-ban system, surprise in-game patches, and more in-game Moderation.
Yes, I got the idea from CA. No hackers in those rooms, but I lag in CA and it requires less skill, I went positive with fps from 20-40. And do you think the real solution would ever be implemented? -
You can't say they don't have hackers in those rooms (don't make it obvious). You went positive with 20-40 fps in CA? You can do the same thing in CF. There is really no real solution to stop hacking. I can't really go and talk about the features since it's against the rules, but they can use the less obvious features. You can't say that I have a lack of motivation to help this game because you don't know me and don't make some false assumptions. I think CF would rather add a feature to help all of CF than just higher rank players. If they're lots of hackers running around in lower rank servers, they won't stick around for long (new players).
Yes, I think the "real solution" would be implemented since they already did. They're just working on it. Xtrap got better, z8 are looking for new moderators, and for the surprise in-game patch, I don't know about that. -
I've seen at least 2 today. On my "sources" page, source 1.a has 2,465 downloads. Only 5 you say? Interesting. Source 1.b has 2,498 downloads. HUH. If you're not bright enough to figure it out, "sources" is a hack site and 1.a/1.b are hacks. Not every hack, just one "source". They aren't nonexistent, just good at covering themselves up to people like you. Btw source 1.a has STW that works on egypt, go play some egypt and get hit from nowhere sometime.
You keep acting like every single room would have an "Elite moderator". I shouldn't have to argue with those points, as you could just not join.
By hinder me I mean you aren't trying to help, you're sitting on your asses not doing a thing for this game as it slowly gets overridden with hackers and foreigner. I don't mind negative feedback, I just give negative feedback to those who give me negative feedback. I feel you're trying to hinder me. Negative feedback.
This game is amazing, even with it's no reg and infection of laggers, it's one that requires skill. I'm just trying to help.
Does downloads mean actual hackers that are in-game? No. Am I able to be all rooms at once, and see exactly who is hacking? No. Hack waves don't get patched instantaneously. I would assume a wave of hacks were released a few days ago, and xTrap hasn't patched them yet. It doesn't mean in any way that xTrap isn't doing its job though.
An item that lets you kick anyone if you're host. Huh. Who wouldn't want that? The game would slowly contain more and more "Elite Mods", which then leads to the abuse that it will create. Don't act like not everyone is going to buy it. If people will waste ZP to buy something as useless as changing your text colour, I don't see why people wouldn't want to have such an item. You're thinking of only the initial feedback that this item will create, and are not focusing on the problems your suggestion is creating afterwards.
And what exactly do you expect me to do to save the game? Am I supposed to start a genocidal attack on the foreigners? I'm not posting negative feedback simply to troll. I'm posting because I'm trying to give feedback on whether or not this actually a good idea. If it's not a good idea, I'm not going to +1 simply because I don't like foreigners. -
Don't see any attitude in his post at all, and what he said was right. It's been suggested a million times with small variations.
OT:The "Host powers increased" suggestions aren't going to happen. Having to buy it may seem like a good idea, but do you really think that people would buy the item for the sole reason of kicking hackers? I wouldn't. Using the typical thought pattern of the average high pinger, I would kick every single person that does better than me, because they're "hackers". Those with a lower skill level wouldn't be able to distinguish hackers from those who are simply good at the game, and then the complaints would come in, like they did with the FFA/MM and variations kick system that 80% of the CF population voted for.
The "Make servers higher ranked" idea is also a good idea that's been suggested millions of times, but seeing as how UK5 never worked out as a Staff Sarg+ server and Delta is constantly lifeless if you exclude D9, it isn't going to happen.
I agree, this would be a terrible thing to impose on the community because of the general bias that anyone who out-preforms you by a large margin is a hacker. The tool would be abused mercilessly. I also agree that x-trap is doing a good job. I quit CF during suba because literally every game in some servers were three to four hackers destroying the other players. This does not happen today, at least not at the level that it use too. Hacking is an issue we all dislike but giving unjustified powers to a IG community that will abuse them does not seem like the answer. -
Well you're creating band-aids with holes in them. These holes can easily be exploited, such as a hacker purchasing "Elite Moderator" (better known as a CA item).
The only real solution is a better auto-ban system, surprise in-game patches, and more in-game Moderation.
I think more IG moderation is the best solution to the problem of hacking. -
Yes, I got the idea from CA. No hackers in those rooms, but I lag in CA and it requires less skill, I went positive with fps from 20-40. And do you think the real solution would ever be implemented?
Fortunately it already has been; the auto-ban system. The thing is, it only works for hacks that were used on previous patches, and doesn't detect the new hacks. As for my other suggestions, no they have yet to be implented, but they are very good suggestions compared to adding an item which everyone would purchase to kick players who are better than them out of the room at the end of a game.
iBobRawrs makes some REALLY good points, I think you should read his post once more. -
So I was in an EM today, when I decided I'd camp next to train. After being prefired and killed, I started to suspect he walled. He didn't have no recoil, he didn't have instant reload. He was just walling as I figured out later. I checked my "sources" and amazingly enough, there was just that. A wallhack.
After 23 agonizing rounds, nobody kicked him despite my begging, and he accused me of crying in a language I didn't understand. I realized after this, these people either didn't know how to kick him, didn't understand me, or just chose not to.
What can we do to fix this? Well, in another game (not stated because it's not allowed), there's an "Elite moderator", which when you're the host of a room, gives you the ability to kick anyone. Now, the main argument of this is that they will kick anyone. You can still make a non elite moderator room, or get "Elite moderator" yourself. This would stop hacks at least for the people who buy zp, and this is something I would pay a lot for.
Another option would be to make a server for something besides Staff Sargent 1+. Say, SFC 1 + or even Master Sargent/Second Lieutenant. Hackers rarely make it past SFC, and Master Sargent there is even less. One of the servers that is Staff Sergent 1+ is literally taken over by another country and if your ping is less than 100 you get kicked. Delta 9, go ahead and give it a go. These are useless to most of us. Please, either increase the level or make another +5% gp with a higher rank requirement. This will greatly improve our play quality. Thank you, please, try to keep posting here. I really think this will almost completely remove our hack infection.
This is a copy from another game I will not say. "Elite Moderator is copied and what it does was copied. Also, hackers can do surveys. -
Not at all. 2 letters, starts with a C on first, 2nd letter starts with a A. Here's a hint : Specialist, Mercenaries, and Elimination Pro.
First of all, there was absolutely no point in double posting when you could've multi-quoted. Second, if you read the other posts you would know that that's been established already, so that bump was quite pointless. -
Good idea.
I suggested this and support it.
Elite mod would mean I cannot be kicked as I would either have it or I would play with decent and fair people that do and any hackers will be out (real ones) - Everyone can do the same so it shouldn't pose any problems.
Higher ranked servers are a slight improvement on the current situation but not the "be all and end all" as UK4 and Delta still have whining idiots in them and players that still don't know what a hacker is so they will kick you anyway.
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