70 Coupon Timed Weapons, too much?
I'm not sure if anyone has posted about this before, I took a brief look at the threads and didn't see anything on it. If there is something on it, tell me please
Anyways, to get to the point, I am a big fan of the M16A2, permanent BP weapon if you didn't know it (Which I doubt). So, when I leave CF and come back a few months later, take a look at the BM Coupon rewards list and see an M16A4 (My first thought was "Omg, another M16A2. Maybe this re-skin has better stability or power or something..."), with a suppressor at that... Let's just say I had to go calm down (Not really, but you get my point). Then I see that price tag that said "70 Coupons" and thought, "Ehh, that's not so bad..." But then came the 90 Days written in the corner... I don't mean to rant, but isn't 70 coupons a bit much for a timed weapon? Hell, I might as well go for the gold, which I have been wanting to, instead of getting something that will disappear while I am sleeping. What are your thoughts on this? Is 70 Coupons too much for a timed weapon? Should the 70 coupon weapons be permanent? Should the price tag be dropped?
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After reading this:< http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=195342&highlight=black+market+saidin > I am hoping you guys don't get the idea I am trying to weed out a permanent weapon. From the companies view, I can understand. But, fact is, my ratio for coupons seems to be about 60-75% for ZP crates, maybe half as much for GP. At it's highest (75%) that's would be approximately 94 crates to get 70 Coupons. Again, I hope you don't get the idea I am trying to weed out/complain/whatever else you could think that I am complaining about it (I can understand you view point, though). I am simply saying that 70 coupons is a high price for something that will steal away during the night... In my opinion, at least. (I won't lie, one of the reasons I play CF over CA is that I can play CF and safely think "I will get to use that weapon tomorrow without having to work my *** off just for it to disappear a second time.")
Annnnnnnnnnnnd again, I apologize if this seems like a rant. It really isn't. As stated above, what are your thoughts on this? Is 70 coupons (roughly 94 ZP crates {*That is an assumption and may or may not be even 50% accurate!*}) too much for a temporary weapon?
Anyways, to get to the point, I am a big fan of the M16A2, permanent BP weapon if you didn't know it (Which I doubt). So, when I leave CF and come back a few months later, take a look at the BM Coupon rewards list and see an M16A4 (My first thought was "Omg, another M16A2. Maybe this re-skin has better stability or power or something..."), with a suppressor at that... Let's just say I had to go calm down (Not really, but you get my point). Then I see that price tag that said "70 Coupons" and thought, "Ehh, that's not so bad..." But then came the 90 Days written in the corner... I don't mean to rant, but isn't 70 coupons a bit much for a timed weapon? Hell, I might as well go for the gold, which I have been wanting to, instead of getting something that will disappear while I am sleeping. What are your thoughts on this? Is 70 Coupons too much for a timed weapon? Should the 70 coupon weapons be permanent? Should the price tag be dropped?
*Edit*
After reading this:< http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=195342&highlight=black+market+saidin > I am hoping you guys don't get the idea I am trying to weed out a permanent weapon. From the companies view, I can understand. But, fact is, my ratio for coupons seems to be about 60-75% for ZP crates, maybe half as much for GP. At it's highest (75%) that's would be approximately 94 crates to get 70 Coupons. Again, I hope you don't get the idea I am trying to weed out/complain/whatever else you could think that I am complaining about it (I can understand you view point, though). I am simply saying that 70 coupons is a high price for something that will steal away during the night... In my opinion, at least. (I won't lie, one of the reasons I play CF over CA is that I can play CF and safely think "I will get to use that weapon tomorrow without having to work my *** off just for it to disappear a second time.")
Annnnnnnnnnnnd again, I apologize if this seems like a rant. It really isn't. As stated above, what are your thoughts on this? Is 70 coupons (roughly 94 ZP crates {*That is an assumption and may or may not be even 50% accurate!*}) too much for a temporary weapon?
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It is indeed high priced.
If the company wants to make people want to spend more money, this isn't the way to do it.
After opening over 1,700+ ZP Crates and 3,750+ GP crates, I got 615 Coupons.
ZP coupon rate average about 0.33.
GP coupon rate average about 0.05.
So assuming a rate of 1 coupon for every 3 ZP crates, it would take 210 ZP crates to get a 70 Coupon item on average. 210 ZP crates equals 168,000 ZP, about $140.
$140 is a lot for a 90 temp weapon. For comparison, most 90 day ZP temp guns can be bought for around 12,000-14,000ZP or less then $20.
The average person is willing to spend $30-$60 on a single video game and has to be convinced to spend more. If they don't win a ZP crate gun in that first $60 dollars then what is there to convince then to spend more?
Before coupons were a incentive to keep buying ZP crates. With out them, fewer and fewer will be spending on crates and thus Z8 loses money from it.
$60 equals 70,000ZP. They can get 86 ZP crates for 70,000ZP.
86 ZP crates would get them 29-43 Coupons, around 258,000GP, and maybe a crate gun.
258,000GP can get them any 5-7 GP guns they want.
Making coupons less valuable to the customers is NOT a way to get them to want to spend more money. -
Making coupons less valuable to the customers is NOT a way to get them to want to spend more money.
Tell me about it. If those weps in the 70 coupon slot were perm I would have spent an assload of ZP on crates to eventually get them all. However, they are NOT perm so I've spent very little on ZP since the last patch. I bet I'm one of many. G4/Smilegate/Z8 staffers should maybe start by at least Googling the word "business". They might learn a thing or two about how to run one. -
' wrote:dvda[;2972601']Tell me about it. If those weps in the 70 coupon slot were perm I would have spent an assload of ZP on crates to eventually get them all. However, they are NOT perm so I've spent very little on ZP since the last patch. I bet I'm one of many. G4/Smilegate/Z8 staffers should maybe start by at least Googling the word "business". They might learn a thing or two about how to run one.
They need a economist and a Social-Psychologist on staff.
They are making way to many basic business mistakes that are costing them.
Agreed, if they were replacing them with perm versions instead I would be spending more ZP as well. (I suspect this Golden Tiger M4A1 promotion to be a desperate attempt to get people to buy LOTS of ZP again.) -
(I suspect this Golden Tiger M4A1 promotion to be a desperate attempt to get people to buy LOTS of ZP again.)
It's working, without a doubt. Everyone wants the beautiful gun. It was a smart strategy on their behalf for making each days "raffle tickets" reset, forcing people to purchase more ZP to win the item. -
It's working, without a doubt. Everyone wants the beautiful gun. It was a smart strategy on their behalf for making each days "raffle tickets" reset, forcing people to purchase more ZP to win the item.
It isn't a stupid move, but it is a 'Band-aid' solution.
A temporary move to relieve the problem but doesn't solve it.
The problem:
Z8's product isn't worth the price they are asking.
Most of the ZP stuff is either Over-priced or requires luck. -
It isn't a stupid move, but it is a 'Band-aid' solution.
A temporary move to relieve the problem but doesn't solve it.
The problem:
Z8's product isn't worth the price they are asking.
Most of the ZP stuff is either Over-priced or requires luck.
Nice article (last line in ur sig).
Don't have time to finish reading, but great read so far
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It's working, without a doubt. Everyone wants the beautiful gun. It was a smart strategy on their behalf for making each days "raffle tickets" reset, forcing people to purchase more ZP to win the item.
The only reason people want it now is because it's rare. It's funny that you call it beautiful, the actually pulled it from the game back when it first came out because they didn't like how it looked (according to Saidin). -
Basic Z8 Strategy for more Cash Flow:
1. Make The ZP Guns More Powerful by Nerfing the Reg. GP Guns that Everyone Loves.
2. Make them Expensive (Coupon/ZP) So people have to spend more money to get the Product.
3. Make them temporary so if people like them they'll want to spend more ZP on getting them = More cash flow.
4. Repeat the process 'till the process takes over the Hole Black Market/Item Shop.
That's just my point of view on it. It's a nasty process that's Not going to work if they want to keep all there regular players who cannot buy ZP on the fly. -
They need a economist and a Social-Psychologist on staff.
They are making way to many basic business mistakes that are costing them.
Agreed, if they were replacing them with perm versions instead I would be spending more ZP as well. (I suspect this Golden Tiger M4A1 promotion to be a desperate attempt to get people to buy LOTS of ZP again.)
Lol Z8 games/smilegate/G4box dont know how to do business properly.....
In my opinion, what zp crates are is a luck thing. Whenever I open crates I mentally prepare myself thinking I wont win a zp gun. The PRIMARY reason why I buy zp crates is so I can get coupons.
Now removing permanent weapons won't help increase zp sales because no one will spend their coupons on ridiculous temporary coupon weapons.
Instead of removing permanent coupon weapons, why dont you add more so people will actually spend their coupons on something worthwhile??
I dont care if other CF versions dont have permanent weapons. CF NA/UK based their coupon exchange system on permanent weapons so why not keep that way? -
Keep in mind insulting will get you no where. Now, back on topic, it seems the few that have commented agree... I wouldn't mind seeing a poll for this. And, the key to keep the BM a fluent and proper flow of cash is to change the permanent weapons... Not get rid of them. For example; keep the gold, obviously, as that is no doubt one of the reasons people will always buy coupons, but change out the other weapons for something different. Whether the community wants w/e weapon you choose to change it too will always be debatable... But, my point is, from what I can tell, you made 60 and 70 coupon weapons temp because you felt you were losing money because of people getting the weapons, and then not getting ZP. Coupons are difficult to obtain (I must be a heck of a lot luckier than most when it comes to coupons, from what I can tell), so you don't have to worry about someone obtaining all the weapons over-night without paying a heavy cost. I could care less for 60, it's an neutral number anyways, but, at 70 coupons, make it permanent and change the weapons at any given chance. I guarantee you it is more profit in the end. As it would cause players like me, and many more, to buy ZP more often to get that Coupon-exclusive weapon I hope you take this into consideration.
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I love how Z8 big-up the fact that they have permanent coupon weapons. Yeah that's great and all, but many people fail to realise that all these OP weapons in the ZP crates are actually GP weapons. The Kriss Super sells for about 38k in CF EU, and the Mauser has a GP price tag as well. Considering this, it seems crazy that they feel the need to withdraw coupon permanents considering our drawbacks in the 'power of GP weapons' section.
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Its been pretty obvious , z8 saw that coupons werent bringing it any profit so they removed it , thats how business is done
instead of free coupons from gp crates to get the m4a1 custom for example ,now you have to buy crates with a random chance of winning
i dont like it but i'm not going to complain -
' wrote:dvda[;2972601']Tell me about it. If those weps in the 70 coupon slot were perm I would have spent an assload of ZP on crates to eventually get them all. However, they are NOT perm so I've spent very little on ZP since the last patch. I bet I'm one of many. G4/Smilegate/Z8 staffers should maybe start by at least Googling the word "business". They might learn a thing or two about how to run one.
Same as me I used to buy a lot of zp but not anymore because Im going to waste $140 to get a weapon for 90 days even though you can get it for gp in other cf versions. They are just going to keep on making reskins and make guns more overpowered. Probably will bring out another M4 with a different skin but with 1.7sec reload then maybe 1.4sec etc. You can tell Z8 didnt make a lot of money from the last patch because there were so few AWM lm winners so less people were going for it. So they decided to make a new patch quickly. -
It is indeed high priced.
If the company wants to make people want to spend more money, this isn't the way to do it.
After opening over 1,700+ ZP Crates and 3,750+ GP crates, I got 615 Coupons.
ZP coupon rate average about 0.33.
GP coupon rate average about 0.05.
So assuming a rate of 1 coupon for every 3 ZP crates, it would take 210 ZP crates to get a 70 Coupon item on average. 210 ZP crates equals 168,000 ZP, about $140.
$140 is a lot for a 90 temp weapon. For comparison, most 90 day ZP temp guns can be bought for around 12,000-14,000ZP or less then $20.
The average person is willing to spend $30-$60 on a single video game and has to be convinced to spend more. If they don't win a ZP crate gun in that first $60 dollars then what is there to convince then to spend more?
Before coupons were a incentive to keep buying ZP crates. With out them, fewer and fewer will be spending on crates and thus Z8 loses money from it.
$60 equals 70,000ZP. They can get 86 ZP crates for 70,000ZP.
86 ZP crates would get them 29-43 Coupons, around 258,000GP, and maybe a crate gun.
258,000GP can get them any 5-7 GP guns they want.
Making coupons less valuable to the customers is NOT a way to get them to want to spend more money.
i agree but we are only players we cant change ...
. I'm okay with the removal of the perm item at 60 coupons but if they could create a perm item at 70 that would be alright. 
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