readding xm8
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yea, denxi and some other people started looking into wallbang and than they got banned like the g36k, mp5, type89 etc..
Here's what happened.
SL got banned because it was considered OP compared to the standard rifles used. Following that logic, wallbang rifles were banned.
SMGs and Shotguns were not touched. -
Here's what happened.
SL got banned because it was considered OP compared to the standard rifles used. Following that logic, wallbang rifles were banned.
SMGs and Shotguns were not touched.
how can wall bang be considered op? you have to know where the players are behind walls or doors or boxes and when to fire, that takes skill and when both teams have the ability to use it then there is no excuse for it to be banned especially when it is GP. -
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throneofGod wrote: »here is what happened:
bruce inspired myawm to play with xm8
myawm inspired phubez and snsd to play with xm8
myawm quit
myawm came back
half the game was using xm8
myawm too strong with xm8
ban
crossfire history 101
actually it all started with 7****s and larry on port, but that was before your time -
how can wall bang be considered op? you have to know where the players are behind walls or doors or boxes and when to fire, that takes skill and when both teams have the ability to use it then there is no excuse for it to be banned especially when it is GP.
The XM8 is as viable a rifle as the M4.
1 = 1
The XM8 has 100% wallbang, the M4 doesn't.
x > 0
1 + x > 1 -
The XM8 is as viable a rifle as the M4.
1 = 1
The XM8 has 100% wallbang, the M4 doesn't.
x > 0
1 + x > 1
Both teams have the ability to use a XM8
1 + x > 1 = 1 + x > 1
On a side note I'm awful at math. And kinda braindead, and I already know how you will argue this. And what flaw in my logic you will point out. But I'm too lazy to correct it. So **** off denxi.
+ Doop's logic. -
xm8 has ******ed spray pattern
1 + x - 1 = 1
Proofs or opinion based.
Yea, I brought out the hoops.Both teams have the ability to use a XM8
1 + x > 1 = 1 + x > 1
On a side note I'm awful at math. And kinda braindead, and I already know how you will argue this. And what flaw in my logic you will point out. But I'm too lazy to correct it. So **** off denxi.
+ Doop's logic.
Like I said, whether or not it was OP was whether it was OP in comparison to the standard M4 and AK. -
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The XM8 is as viable a rifle as the M4.
1 = 1
The XM8 has 100% wallbang, the M4 doesn't.
x > 0
1 + x > 1
So you ban a gun on 1 different aspect? when it is available to everyone?
Shotguns are a viable gun
M4 has better range though, the shotgun doesn't.
also great point with limiting teams to 1-2 -
So you ban a gun on 1 different aspect? when it is available to everyone?
Shotguns are a viable gun
M4 has better range though, the shotgun doesn't.
also great point with limiting teams to 1-2Like I said, whether or not it was OP was whether it was OP in comparison to the standard M4 and AK.
Now the forum limit is 8 characters? Cool. -
Proofs or opinion based.
Yea, I brought out the hoops.
The AK should be banned. It does more damage than the m4, and it is biased towards people who have low ping and can get the registry consistently. Where the rest of us are left with 0 damage due to ping. -
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xm8 has ******ed spray pattern
1 + x - 1 = 1
Spray pattern is an opinion, not a fact. Even if it was, it would be a variable. The '1' is essentially the fact that they are both rifles with the same amount of ammo and nearly identical damage. Let us call the fact that it is a rifle with nearly the same stats 't'. 't' is binary, either a yes or no, 1 or 0. Both are the same, they are given a value of 1. The 'x' is the rifle's wallbang power. If you wanted to compare spray pattern and use a consensus rather than a fact, you would give it a variable of 'y'. As this is opinion rather than fact, it won't be binary and I won't go into the trouble of dealing with this. We then call the overall quality of the gun 'z'. If we assume that wallbang ability is binary either 100% or not 100%, then you get:
t + x + y = z
xm8:
1 + 1 + y = z
2 + y = z
m4:
1 + 0 + y = z
1 + y = z
This is extremely crude, but you see what i'm getting at. Simply shown, the facts display that the xm8 has an advantage.
ANYWAYS...
I'm surprised they haven't just made all guns deal 33% damage through boxes and objects. Seems like an incredibly easy solution for both z8 and the developers. Poof, no more debate about wallbang damages. Only people who will cry are the the PvEers and those who abused the 100% wallbang damage. -
Under those conditions the AK should be made illegal because it does more damage than both the xm8 or the m4.Spray pattern is an opinion, not a fact. Even if it was, it would be a variable. The '1' is essentially the fact that they are both rifles with the same amount of ammo and nearly identical damage. Let us call the fact that it is a rifle with nearly the same stats 't'. 't' is binary, either a yes or no, 1 or 0. Both are the same, they are given a value of 1. The 'x' is the rifle's wallbang power. If you wanted to compare spray pattern and use a consensus rather than a fact, you would give it a variable of 'y'. As this is opinion rather than fact, it won't be binary and I won't go into the trouble of dealing with this. We then call the overall quality of the gun 'z'. If we assume that wallbang ability is binary either 100% or not 100%, then you get:
t + x + y = z
xm8:
1 + 1 + y = z
2 + y = z
m4:
1 + 0 + y = z
1 + y = z
This is extremely crude, but you see what i'm getting at. Simply shown, the facts display that the xm8 has an advantage.
ANYWAYS...
I'm surprised they haven't just made all guns deal 33% damage through boxes and objects. Seems like an incredibly easy solution for both z8 and the developers. Poof, no more debate about wallbang damages. Only people who will cry are the the PvEers and those who abused the 100% wallbang damage.
Also if the value for y must be binary to fit this model, otherwise if the value of y is an integer greater than 1 it already makes the rifle superior . I believe the general consensus would be that the m4 has a better spray pattern than the xm8, leading to a value of 1 for the m4 and 0 for the xm8. Then the z parameter is identical.
The x parameter isn't a very good fit for this model, considering each weapon has different percentages on damage penetration. The k2 is a prime example, it does like 5 damage through spammable walls, where as the ak47 does a considerably higher percentage. -
Under those conditions the AK should be made illegal because it does more damage than both the xm8 or the m4.
Also if the value for y must be binary to fit this model, otherwise if the value of y is an integer greater than 1 it already makes the rifle superior . I believe the general consensus would be that the m4 has a better spray pattern than the xm8, leading to a value of 1 for the m4 and 0 for the xm8. Then the z parameter is identical.
The x parameter isn't a very good fit for this model, considering each weapon has different percentages on damage penetration. The k2 is a prime example, it does like 5 damage through spammable walls, where as the ak47 does a considerably higher percentage.
As I said this is extremely crude. However, wallbang and power are facts. Even if we called the m4 at 33% and the xm8 at 100%, you would still get:
2 + y = z
1.33 + y = z
On the case of 'y', you can't quantify it. At best you could gather a consensus and average it out based on its spread and recoil felt to players. These would have to be done for both guns, as neither is pure fact. Subtracting would be easier, so your equation would look like:
2 - y = z
1.33 + y = z
Now in the case of the AK, it really does hold an advantage. I have debated questioning the damage it does for very little downside, but most people would jump on me for that so I haven't. As it stands, I feel the AK does to much damage compared to other guns. This is an opinion, i'm not arguing anything so I don't want to hear any arguments from people. However, math will once again show (until you can put a value to 'y') that the AK is at an advantage.
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