Boosting
Will update more later.
Try not to troll and spam this thread it's a serious debate among the competitive play.
Before you read this I want you to all know i am not agreeing or disagreeing boosting being allowed in all leagues im just trying to sort this out and speaking on both sides of the situation
I think this issue needs to be discussed so im gonna help.
Okay so many people don't think this over but I did and boosting could really ruin the competitive gameplay of crossfire in many ways you ask how this is how. On many maps in crossfire there are a lot of places for people to boost and already having enough corners to check when pushing this will make taking sites on many maps almost nearly impossible for instant lets take a look at black widow I will show you guys some boosts that have potential to ruin the game. Now instead of teams winning because of the best strats game sense and aim it would be mainly the best boosters winning.
Black Widow
Ct mid entrance- Basicaly having to look up while there is possibly a sniper on ct plat almost impossible spot to check not worrying about being killed by a mid player also can see over b and throw nades.
B site boosts - seeing over mid with nades and imagine having to look up while having to check under windows or gay box
A long ledge boost - This boost isn't so much of a difference but i thought i would put it out there for opinions
B window - this boost can be deadly pretty much catching a player way off guard having to check left right foward and up also can see into b site at a un advantaged angel
B box room - Bosting onto the windows and box room entrances making it almost impossible to take b site
There are probably many other boost spots that i didn't mention but these are probably the most affecting ones on Black Widow.
Now there are also many people who think boosting is a good thing for the competitive side making it more like the huge counter strike games and making it more difficult and strategical therefore making players more aware and smarter. Boosting will allow people to expand the game in many ways changing the whole way this game is currently played lets take a look at factory
Factory-
T spawn - This has to be one of the most usefull boosts in the game allowing you to go onto the roofs around your spawn taking very disadvantaged spots making it very easy to get picks
This can determine basically a whole game depending on how you use the boost or if you don't use it at all.
Wether boosting is allowed or not allowed it will have a huge effect on this game and how its played.
Discuss.
Try not to troll and spam this thread it's a serious debate among the competitive play.
Before you read this I want you to all know i am not agreeing or disagreeing boosting being allowed in all leagues im just trying to sort this out and speaking on both sides of the situation
I think this issue needs to be discussed so im gonna help.
Okay so many people don't think this over but I did and boosting could really ruin the competitive gameplay of crossfire in many ways you ask how this is how. On many maps in crossfire there are a lot of places for people to boost and already having enough corners to check when pushing this will make taking sites on many maps almost nearly impossible for instant lets take a look at black widow I will show you guys some boosts that have potential to ruin the game. Now instead of teams winning because of the best strats game sense and aim it would be mainly the best boosters winning.
Black Widow
Ct mid entrance- Basicaly having to look up while there is possibly a sniper on ct plat almost impossible spot to check not worrying about being killed by a mid player also can see over b and throw nades.
B site boosts - seeing over mid with nades and imagine having to look up while having to check under windows or gay box
A long ledge boost - This boost isn't so much of a difference but i thought i would put it out there for opinions
B window - this boost can be deadly pretty much catching a player way off guard having to check left right foward and up also can see into b site at a un advantaged angel
B box room - Bosting onto the windows and box room entrances making it almost impossible to take b site
There are probably many other boost spots that i didn't mention but these are probably the most affecting ones on Black Widow.
Now there are also many people who think boosting is a good thing for the competitive side making it more like the huge counter strike games and making it more difficult and strategical therefore making players more aware and smarter. Boosting will allow people to expand the game in many ways changing the whole way this game is currently played lets take a look at factory
Factory-
T spawn - This has to be one of the most usefull boosts in the game allowing you to go onto the roofs around your spawn taking very disadvantaged spots making it very easy to get picks
This can determine basically a whole game depending on how you use the boost or if you don't use it at all.
Wether boosting is allowed or not allowed it will have a huge effect on this game and how its played.
Discuss.
Comments
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Among the competitive play? read my first thread I made last night, you aren't among the competitive players.
OT: It doesn't matter if teams boost against you or not because they're going to win regardless. In the long run boosts do change the game play but they should not bar them from leagues, at least single man boosts. -
slayadabest wrote: »Among the competitive play? read my first thread I made last night, you aren't among the competitive players.
OT: It doesn't matter if teams boost against you or not because they're going to win regardless. In the long run boosts do change the game play but they should not bar them from leagues, at least single man boosts.
Explain why i am not part of the competitive play?
OT: There are certain one man boosts that are very unfair perhaps making a list of boosts allowed or a list of boosts that aren't allowed. -
Explain why i am not part of the competitive play?
OT: There are certain one man boosts that are very unfair perhaps making a list of boosts allowed or a list of boosts that aren't allowed.
If you readd me on xfire i'll tell you, I'd rather not destroy this thread. -
Okay so many people don't think this over but I did and boosting could really ruin the competitive gameplay of crossfire in many ways you ask how this is how.
Yes. I ask how. I expect the next section will provide some compelling evidence.On many maps in crossfire there are a lot of places for people to boost
. . . ok, even though I may disagree with the amount of boosts in CF, I'll accept this premise for the sake of the thread.and already having enough corners to check when pushing
Woah, mind providing proof or logic behind this? This is a flat out statement which your entire argument hinges upon, yet you provide no evidence to back this up.this will make taking sites on many maps almost nearly impossible
Even though your last statement is 100% baseless and therefore DESTROYS any argument you have, let's pretend for a second that you CAN soemhow prove this.for instant lets take a look at black widow I will show you guys some boosts that have potential to ruin the game.
Alright, I would also hope that you provide evidence to support that theory.Now instead of teams winning because of the best strats game sense and aim it would be mainly the best boosters winning.
This is a conclusion statement. You can't make statements like this before you've presented your evidence, so i will adress this after I have gone over said evidence.Black Widow
Ct mid entrance- Basicaly having to look up while there is possibly a sniper on ct plat almost impossible spot to check not worrying about being killed by a mid player also can see over b and throw nades.
Well, then I assume you are in favour of removing the corner entirely, are you not? After all, with the corner there, you have to make sure that there isn't someone hiding behind it, while there could possibly be a sniper on CT plat!!!
Maybe the section under cat as well, someone could be hiding there! Oh, and how about the two bits of wall sticking out right inside of the door, surely those must be removed, as those are places you have to check, all well at the risk of being hit by a sniper on plat! how about the slanted box to the left of the door, that's a place someone could be hiding, remove that too!
You see what I'm doing? At this point in time, all your arguments are 100% baseless and completely lacking evidence. This is what you're saying, in a nutshell:
Too many spots, boosting adds more spots which makes it harder to check them.
Prove it. Yes, what you have here is an IDEA for an argument. But unless you do a full map analysis, and provide sound logic for why the specific spot does NOT mesh with the map, then you have no basis for any actual argument.Now instead of teams winning because of the best strats game sense and aim it would be mainly the best boosters winning.
Prove it. At this point in time, all you done is state your opinion. until you provide some actual facts, this is a blatantly useless post.
I need to stop watching Breaking Bad and go to sleep, I do hope that by the time I wake up you've actually put some thought into this, rather than typing the first thing that comes to mind.
Because I'm the only person I know who can do that successfully :cool: -
Read the first 2 things and gave up im not a boosting expert and don't want to im just trying to adress the situationYes. I ask how. I expect the next section will provide some compelling evidence.
. . . ok, even though I may disagree with the amount of boosts in CF, I'll accept this premise for the sake of the thread.
Woah, mind providing proof or logic behind this? This is a flat out statement which your entire argument hinges upon, yet you provide no evidence to back this up.
Even though your last statement is 100% baseless and therefore DESTROYS any argument you have, let's pretend for a second that you CAN soemhow prove this.
Alright, I would also hope that you provide evidence to support that theory.
This is a conclusion statement. You can't make statements like this before you've presented your evidence, so i will adress this after I have gone over said evidence.
Well, then I assume you are in favour of removing the corner entirely, are you not? After all, with the corner there, you have to make sure that there isn't someone hiding behind it, while there could possibly be a sniper on CT plat!!!
Maybe the section under cat as well, someone could be hiding there! Oh, and how about the two bits of wall sticking out right inside of the door, surely those must be removed, as those are places you have to check, all well at the risk of being hit by a sniper on plat! how about the slanted box to the left of the door, that's a place someone could be hiding, remove that too!
You see what I'm doing? At this point in time, all your arguments are 100% baseless and completely lacking evidence. This is what you're saying, in a nutshell:
Too many spots, boosting adds more spots which makes it harder to check them.
Prove it. Yes, what you have here is an IDEA for an argument. But unless you do a full map analysis, and provide sound logic for why the specific spot does NOT mesh with the map, then you have no basis for any actual argument.
Prove it. At this point in time, all you done is state your opinion. until you provide some actual facts, this is a blatantly useless post.
I need to stop watching Breaking Bad and go to sleep, I do hope that by the time I wake up you've actually put some thought into this, rather than typing the first thing that comes to mind.
Because I'm the only person I know who can do that successfully :cool: -
Denxi. Its a free country, let the kid state his opinion and ask for others.
OT: Some boosting spots could be made illegal, as with 2 man boosting, that fly glitch with 2 people etc.
But overall, You need to learn to check everywhere. Try playing source, where ESEA allows boosting, maybe you'll realize this bash is pointless.
Just my opinion. -
Denxi. Its a free country, let the kid state his opinion and ask for others.
OT: Some boosting spots could be made illegal, as with 2 man boosting, that fly glitch with 2 people etc.
But overall, You need to learn to check everywhere. Try playing source, where ESEA allows boosting, maybe you'll realize this bash is pointless.
Just my opinion.
Yes but there isn't many op boost spots in counter strike like there is in crossfire. Crossfire is totaly different from counter strike thats why you see so many people who are really good at one game and blow at the other. I dont think Crossfire was made for having spots to boost onto thats why lots of thing are blocked. As for fly glitching thats illegal you cant do any sort of glitching. -
I dont get why you are overreacting.
Bw spots:
Why would you push mid on your own in the first place? Stop being so chicken and start fightimg instead of flanking the most dangerous way! There should be no problem checkinf that spot with someone watching your CT. A ledge is obvious, any good player can flick over and hs. B window is stupid cus you can see their feet before they see you. Boxroom applies the same way.
Fac:
camp in site, don't peak yellow.
Some boost spots have damage spots.
There are no gay boosts in A that you stated.
All boost spots are old and easily avoidable. It's like people in LoL who dont have any problems with lee sin but one day when they got owned Lee became OP. What are you children going to cry about next? A ghost mode team bhops into a site without making a mistep is OP and banned. Lets be real.
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Boosting isn't illegal. It's not against any Cross Fire rules [unless there is a one way mirror effect, in which you can see them, but they can't, or if you have to encounter damage spots]. The only league that it isn't allowed in is WOGL, and if you want to play by WOGL rules, play a league. Boosting, in my opinion, has always been something that other people should be encouraged to do. If it's legal [and it is, unless as stated before] and the league allows it, why shouldn't you do it?
Take the Scar Light for example. A while back when leagues all allowed it, who didn't use it. The top players used it occasionally. Many people accepted it. It's just how the community operates. If something isn't league banned, the competitive community immediately assumes it's good. If something is league banned, the competitive community immediate assumes it should be black listed out.
Boosting was made illegal by WOGL because they thought it didn't contribute to competitive game play. Other leagues, such as ESL, thought it did. Boosting isn't game breaking, it isn't hacking, it isn't unsportsmanlike conduct, it isn't anything. Instead, it's something that can give other players the element of surprise.
Take bunny hopping for example. That is, technically abusing the game's coding, because no noise is made, and registry is abused. Additionally, it was not meant to be made when the game was made. That technique was player discovered, and other players adapted their game play to it [whether it be a bunny hopper in GM, or a bunny hopper in SND, the same physics occur].
Just because you can't boost, doesn't mean you can't learn. People learn every day. Boosting isn't essential to the game, but it sure makes it much more fun. If the developers [SmileGate] and our hosters [Z8Games] want you not to go to a place on the map, they will make it known by adding damage spots. As far as I know, most of those spots don't have damage spots.
My take on boosting, if you know how to do it, then great, that's an asset to your team and yourself. If you don't know how to do it, don't go around whining that you don't know how to do it, and hate on those that do. That's basically being ignorant; you can't do it, but somebody else can, therefore you hate on them.
Just my two cents. -
I honestly thought I was going to come to this thread and see a logical debate as to why boosting shouldn't be allowed.
I saw a tl;dr of you pointing out spots that you don't want allowed because you are too lazy to check them.
your a terrible pubstar. you should stay out of competitive sections of any game you touch. -
taeyeoNNNNNN wrote: »All boost spots are old and easily avoidable. It's like people in LoL who dont have any problems with lee sin but one day when they got owned Lee became OP. What are you children going to cry about next? A ghost mode team bhops into a site without making a mistep is OP and banned. Lets be real.Take the Scar Light for example. A while back when leagues all allowed it, who didn't use it. The top players used it occasionally. Many people accepted it. It's just how the community operates. If something isn't league banned, the competitive community immediately assumes it's good. If something is league banned, the competitive community immediate assumes it should be black listed out.
This ^
Also, I don't see how boosting can ruin your gameplay. If you're smart enough you'll check the spots that people boost (thus the name competitive). If you're lazy/dumb in any way and don't check you'll simply die.
And this ^saucedabest wrote: »All I see here is a very angry kid that can't do any of these boosts himself, so he goes on the forums and tries to get them banned in leagues.
As for the factory boost, how is that unfair in ANY way? Stay in site and people can't kill you. End of story, quit crying. -
All I see here is a very angry kid that can't do any of these boosts himself, so he goes on the forums and tries to get them banned in leagues.
As for the factory boost, how is that unfair in ANY way? Stay in site and people can't kill you. End of story, quit crying. -
1st one is illegal, you can get a client error.Black Widow
B site boosts - seeing over mid with nades and imagine having to look up while having to check under windows or gay box
A long ledge boost - This boost isn't so much of a difference but i thought i would put it out there for opinions
B window - this boost can be deadly pretty much catching a player way off guard having to check left right foward and up also can see into b site at a un advantaged angel
B box room - Bosting onto the windows and box room entrances making it almost impossible to take b site
2nd one is perfectly fine.
3rd one is illegal, you can get a client error.
4th one isn't even worth jumping on, and gives the other team the advantage.
Before you bring up an "argument" learn what the good boosting spots are first. -
saucedabest wrote: »1st one is illegal, you can get a client error.
2nd one is perfectly fine.
3rd one is illegal, you can get a client error.
4th one isn't even worth jumping on, and gives the other team the advantage.
Before you bring up an "argument" learn what the good boosting spots are first.
3rd one doesn't give you a client error, but it's a bad spot. You'll only get killed if you don't have any awareness or just blindly walk into b window. When you get into B site, you will see their dirty feet. -
taeyeoNNNNN wrote: »3rd one doesn't give you a client error, but it's a bad spot. You'll only get killed if you don't have any awareness or just blindly walk into b window. When you get into B site, you will see their dirty feet.
If you walk around and get a little bit down inside the ledge, it gives a client error... It happens a lot. -
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Skepticalism wrote: »I don't mind boosting for the most part. The only ones I personally would like to see disallowed in ESL is the Mexico one on the side and the factory one. Just my opinion meh.
Mexico one is already banned, and nothing wrong with factory one. -
Skepticalism wrote: »O is it? Didn't know haha. The factory one is debatable tbh I dnt mind it but all most all the community hates it. The boost I hated was Mexico one.
The Mexico one isn't allowed before of the sign, I believe.
If you go behind the sign you can easily see through the back of it, but the other people can only see your feet. -
saucedabest wrote: »The Mexico one isn't allowed before of the sign, I believe.
If you go behind the sign you can easily see through the back of it, but the other people can only see your feet.
O gotcha I remember doing the factory one in ESLcups ppl got angry haha -
Alright brace yourself this is going to be a long one
not only am I flabbergasted that this is even being argued I'm completely shocked that this is being complained about
basically all that I'm getting from this is: Wahh he hid in an different place and because we didn't have the brains to clear the site or didn't bother learning about the game and knowing that playing that spot was possible, im going to complain about it saying its not fair...
does anyone else think this is ridiculous...
obviously anyone who supports this ^ is not a competitive gamer
Boosting is important it should be allowed without precedent
my original argument first of all was to allow single boosts or single layered boosts as I put it... the original poster has pointed out many boosts that requires 2 people to get to (and boosts that don't really end up doing anything if the person playing against the booster is smarter then your average spoon), this included 2 boosters for 1 boost or a booster boosting 2 people then those 2 people boosting off of one another which I believed to lead to map outs (places that have been programmed to be walled off that players shouldn't be able to reach by reasonable means).
but beyond that lets talk about the stupidity of the arguments against boosting
lets take the windows in blackwidow B site for example:
lets say your on offense and the ct team has boosted a player on this window and left him alone in site... you walk into box room see that there is no one guarding the site, basically what your saying is you dont have the common sense to peek in and check all the corners before running in blindly like an idiot and getting killed WAHH THAT BOOST IS SO ONE SIDED BECAUSE IM A MORON DONT ALLOW IT
Once again Blackwidow... Ct spawn area the big bad boost that everyone is worried about... you think that's a game changing position? ARE YOU SERIOUS? first of all that boost requires fall damage if he should rotate not only is this a problem your basically making yourself go on the disadvantage because your making the current situation 4v5 limiting what that player can do to help your team should your team be rushed... now lets say for the sake of argument that the boost is successful that the player in question is given the opportunity to frag, which will only happen like once or twice in a match since middle is rarely ever rushed, the most a player can expect from playing a spot like that if he is playing a good team is 1-2 frags, you all make it sound like its going to be a devastating spot that cant be countered... bs and if you let it beat your team you guys need to give up that's ****ing sad... if you don't have the reaction or the common sense to say hey im getting shot from above me and put 1 and 1 together what can I say? you deserved it... lets say the other outcome comes into play, where 1 person blindly rushes into middle doing nothing to help the team mind you just frag hunting and gets killed is it not in that persons best interest to say: hey i just got killed from that boost at middle effectively making the person whose boosted useless...
Think ive made my point, bads are always going to whine, while the good players continue to get better develop and grow... So which side will you be on?
One of the best combat arms players:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02g2fv7kGzU
this is the reactions of 20% of you guys:
the good players: man nice 3k that was sweet well played
this is the reaction of the entire crossfire community:
the bad players: What a fag hes such a moron, lame boost... -
thats because most of the people that play cf they expect people to be in the same spots over and over again. ex you rush b theres going to be a guy in b window
and they use the same spots
limited minds
hence my use of the words "bad players"
competitive play in free to play games is a joke...
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