Crossfire competitive players answer me one question please.
i understand that crossfire does not have any legitimate basis for a proving ground so scrimmages and the so called league games are all you have. however explain to me why anyone has any right to talk sh*t about their individual or team skill at this level? to my knowledge ive seen two anticheats in wogl and esl that have both been bypassed so any legitimacy goes out the window there. bragging that you won onclient means nothing. the games anticheat does absolutely nothing so playing scrims and offclient also means nothing. there is no true measure of legitimacy in any of these situations. how do you know 100% who is cheating and who isnt? sure there are telltale signs of obvious cheaters but you dont think someone could hide them just as easily as not hiding them? youre ignorant if you think they cant be hidden.
with all this being said, until there comes a time where there is a real anticheat and the lans happen like the one coming up in Korea, how does any team have the right to talk sh*t or criticize another team? none of you have proven anything on broken anticheat systems. whats to say that top teams do or dont cheat? what grounds are there that actually prove legitimacy? name me any that exist in crossfire? i cant.
also im not questioning anyones resume outside of crossfire. im sure some of you have played on better anticheats on other games but that says nothing about what you can or cant do in crossfire, with broken anticheat systems.
flame away lovely competitive community!
with all this being said, until there comes a time where there is a real anticheat and the lans happen like the one coming up in Korea, how does any team have the right to talk sh*t or criticize another team? none of you have proven anything on broken anticheat systems. whats to say that top teams do or dont cheat? what grounds are there that actually prove legitimacy? name me any that exist in crossfire? i cant.
also im not questioning anyones resume outside of crossfire. im sure some of you have played on better anticheats on other games but that says nothing about what you can or cant do in crossfire, with broken anticheat systems.
flame away lovely competitive community!
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People talk sh*t cause they know they're good, but get's very defensive when someone of a lower caliber, tell's them otherwise.
define good. in crossfire how do you know for sure, 100%, that a good team isnt just average players with cheats? maybe the lower caliber team is actually legitimate while the "better" team is just cheating to gain that advantage? again you cant compare the caliber of other teams unless youve proven yourself. whos really proven themselves in crossfire outside of the few teams who have traveled to a live event already? the only matches that should matter in a competitive environment are those on a proven system. that doesnt exist in crossfire yet so how can you really gauge a teams real talent? -
saucedabest wrote: »You get good so you can shiit on kids even while they're cheating.
how do i know that you dont cheat and say that youre good? you think xtrap is a good gauge of who doesnt cheat? scrimspot? wire? all are broken. so how do you call yourself good when no true measure of talent exists? as i said before nothing matters except in a place where you can prove yourself. show me where that can be done here and ill call someone good after they do well on it. until then all that exists is a false sense of talent and therefore you have no right to sh*t talk others.
p.s. im not accusing you of cheating. just providing an example. -
saucedabest wrote: »I didn't say anything you said was wrong. It's completely right...
But it is INSANELY easy to spot a cheater in this game. I can usually tell if someone is cheating just by the way they peak me.
that's what i have been saying that since decpetion. Im always right... -
saucedabest wrote: »I didn't say anything you said was wrong. It's completely right...
But it is INSANELY easy to spot a cheater in this game. I can usually tell if someone is cheating just by the way they peak me.
that is very true. however there are those who know tendencies and therefore dont make those mistakes. while those may be far and few between, who can honestly say? its just too much of a toss up to say that there is any real measure of skill until that time comes with a real anticheat or a lan. while i dont doubt that a lot of players are really good there is no grounds for sh*t talking someone else until their talent has been equally proven where it counts.
anyone can do well in a scrim that means nothing. not everyone can do well in game that counts. so for a player or team to do well in a lot of scrims and a couple of online leagues with broken anticheats and then talk down to other teams like they actually did something? i dont see that being right. maybe its just me. -
saucedabest wrote: »and will prove themselves when the time comes
i understand where youre coming from. its natural to talk sh*t when you yourself know youre good. but to talk sh*t and down to other players when that time hasn't come yet? youve proven nothing. again being good doesnt mean doing well in pubs and scrims, thats pennies, worthless. especially on broken ac systems. you have complete permission to talk sh*t when you do deliver like that when the time comes. i just dont think its right until then. im not saying people should stop talking sh*t its just my opinion that until you have proven yourself that sh*t talking means absolutely nothing. -
You need to acknowledge that this game wasn't made to be competitive, it was made for pubstars. Lets take what we have and work with it.
I'm sure something good will come EVENTUALLY, and when it does then the cheaters will blow, and the good players will prove their selves.
Patience young grasshoppa -
saucedabest wrote: »I'm sure something good will come EVENTUALLY, and when it does then the cheaters will blow, and the good players will prove their selves.
Patience young grasshoppa
patience is my middle name oh anointed one
im going to laugh if that day comes. -
i understand that crossfire does not have any legitimate basis for a proving ground so scrimmages and the so called league games are all you have. however explain to me why anyone has any right to talk sh*t about their individual or team skill at this level? to my knowledge ive seen two anticheats in wogl and esl that have both been bypassed so any legitimacy goes out the window there. bragging that you won onclient means nothing. the games anticheat does absolutely nothing so playing scrims and offclient also means nothing. there is no true measure of legitimacy in any of these situations. how do you know 100% who is cheating and who isnt? sure there are telltale signs of obvious cheaters but you dont think someone could hide them just as easily as not hiding them? youre ignorant if you think they cant be hidden.
with all this being said, until there comes a time where there is a real anticheat and the lans happen like the one coming up in Korea, how does any team have the right to talk sh*t or criticize another team? none of you have proven anything on broken anticheat systems. whats to say that top teams do or dont cheat? what grounds are there that actually prove legitimacy? name me any that exist in crossfire? i cant.
also im not questioning anyones resume outside of crossfire. im sure some of you have played on better anticheats on other games but that says nothing about what you can or cant do in crossfire, with broken anticheat systems.
flame away lovely competitive community!
who are you again? -
It was a simple question you could've answered without hesitation, instead you implied that I was talking trash on you because your alias isn't known in this community, thanks for answering my question d0uchebagwhy does it matter? doesnt change the fact that i made a valid point. thanks for a response of no value whatsoever.
always, who are you again?Do you go around life asking who a person is? -
It was a simple question you could've answered without hesitation, instead you implied that I was talking trash on you because your alias isn't known in this community, thanks for answering my question d0uchebag
my name is irrelevant to the topic at hand. if indeed that was not an implied question i apologize. -
Nice thread and very decent question.
You can never tell if a good player is cheating, and having a clean Anti-Cheat file is hardly convincing in this game with the current ACs. IMO nothing can give you a right to call a team sh1t to being with, but looking at CrossFire alone, legit or not teams and players tend to rise up to be better, and often they like to point it out themselves over and over, even when they are no longer good lol, and this seems normal to the good old players and forumers. Ofcourse I believe your point is that this behaviour seems totally undeserved to somebody coming from a bigger community with a better game and it's AC and sponsors. You can win every CrossFire league or w.e. and then go LFT on a CSS forum and everyone will think you are a joke, so what gives you the right to act like a spastic just coz you are good on your home ground (CF).
As for people being legit that's always a problem with everygame. Just the other week there was a big ESL ban on a well known cheater in CS, so their match got replayed without the cheater and they got wrecked. Atm there aren't any big prizes or anything (except WEM) so nobody is in a hurry to develop a good AC. If CF is going to get anywhere better it's got to start with Z8 organising something. Take X-Trap off so ESL can use their ESL Wire Anti-Cheat and then more sponsors will come as there is an AC which is well approved across games like CS. -
saucedabest wrote: »If the player whom talks shiit knows their legit, and will prove themselves when the time comes, why wouldn't they?
But how do we know their legit? I think that's the point ESGensis is trying to make. Anyone can just say their legit and when time comes, play like their legit, but it doesn't prove that they are legit.
So i guess no ones legit. Until we get a solid AC to find out that is. -
But how do we know their legit? I think that's the point ESGensis is trying to make. Anyone can just say their legit and when time comes, play like their legit, but it doesn't prove that they are legit.
So i guess no ones legit. Until we get a solid AC to find out that is.
Re-read the part where I said "When the time comes they'll prove their selves" -
saucedabest wrote: »Re-read the part where I said "When the time comes they'll prove their selves"
Than maybe they should talk shiit when their is a real AC in place, Pointless in talking shiit and considering themselves legit while waiting to prove themselves in a years time or how ever long it will take to get a new AC. -
Than maybe they should talk shiit when their is a real AC in place, Pointless in talking shiit and considering themselves legit while waiting to prove themselves in a years time or how ever long it will take to get a new AC.
Like I said before, take what this game has to offer and roll with it.
There's people who talk shiit in every single game. Even worse games than this, like CA etc....
If you know you're legit and good, just say w/e the f.k you want. When the time comes, it'll be easy to prove yourself.... -
i understand that crossfire does not have any legitimate basis for a proving ground so scrimmages and the so called league games are all you have. however explain to me why anyone has any right to talk sh*t about their individual or team skill at this level? to my knowledge ive seen two anticheats in wogl and esl that have both been bypassed so any legitimacy goes out the window there. bragging that you won onclient means nothing. the games anticheat does absolutely nothing so playing scrims and offclient also means nothing. there is no true measure of legitimacy in any of these situations. how do you know 100% who is cheating and who isnt? sure there are telltale signs of obvious cheaters but you dont think someone could hide them just as easily as not hiding them? youre ignorant if you think they cant be hidden.
with all this being said, until there comes a time where there is a real anticheat and the lans happen like the one coming up in Korea, how does any team have the right to talk sh*t or criticize another team? none of you have proven anything on broken anticheat systems. whats to say that top teams do or dont cheat? what grounds are there that actually prove legitimacy? name me any that exist in crossfire? i cant.
also im not questioning anyones resume outside of crossfire. im sure some of you have played on better anticheats on other games but that says nothing about what you can or cant do in crossfire, with broken anticheat systems.
flame away lovely competitive community!
in all honestly, this will never happen but what this game needs is a dedicated client version of this game. basically CF split into 2 clients 1 for pub stars with every mode every gun. and then league rules based servers being applied like ESL server 1 WOGL server 1 WCG Server 1 certain guns on certain servers & have there own competitive web page etc
and then actually focus on getting a decent anti cheat, while at the same time having competitive organisation, with that being said, IMO that's the only way the scene will tighten up and people start to take notice of this game competitively. but tbh the people hosting this game and the developers really and honestly dont give a crap about anything in the competitive scene, there version of new competitive content is the m12s. i suppose though z8 is limited via funding, but g4box and smile gate shouldn't be. they need to take better care of there creation.
as for people talking ****. essentially its just a bunch of immature brats flaunting there e-Ego, tbh 90% of the teams in this game compared to some of the top Asian teams from CF-CN etc they are nothing... so i dont think they should really even think they're good let alone have an ego lol.
as for the anti-cheats in general, TBH nobody can be trusted in this game anymore. until something changes with that then well yeha, your guess is as good as mine
PS : sorry if i went a lil off topic at the beginning however i do think what i said is a good idea lol even if its never gonna happen.
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