lol @ selfbust
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TASTELIMESS wrote: »that's unacceptable on ESL's part. you should not make actions based on what goes on in the community, that's just ****ing ridiculous.
You're right. They should totally let people who OPENLY disgrace the sanctity of eSports to play in their events. Seriously? Actions bring consequences. Why shouldn't they be allowed to govern who plays based on how a player acts? It's their events, their house, their decision. That's called upholding a Code of Conduct. Something you clearly aren't familiar with. -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »You're right. They should totally let people who OPENLY disgrace the sanctity of eSports to play in their events. Seriously?
There is just too many factors involved to be banning people because of actions that don't have a direct connection with ESL. If you're going to ban him, you might as well ban several other people who play ESL that have openly admitted to cheating and have bust videos up on Youtube. But wait, how do you know it's him playing? You cannot be doing this as you have absolutely no way of proving, or finding out any of those factors. That is why none of the biggest eSports leagues do it. They rely on their anti cheat and base their actions off of what goes down in within THEIR league. -
Most definitely!!!
Love the sarcasm, lol
TASTELIMESS wrote: »There is just too many factors involved to be banning people because of actions that don't have a direct connection with ESL. If you're going to ban him, you might as well ban several other people who play ESL that have openly admitted to cheating and have bust videos up on Youtube.
Personally if I was in control of decisions like that in an organization, I wouldn't have ANY problems doing that. However, their game play and their actions ARE in direct connection with ESL if they are a registered player. They are representations of ESL and how ESL conducts their events and enforces their policies. Don't sponsors drop players in sports every day based on how they act in a "community"? They do. This is no different. -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »Love the sarcasm, lol
Personally if I was in control of decisions like that in an organization, I wouldn't have ANY problems doing that. However, their game play and their actions ARE in direct connection with ESL if they are a registered player. They are representations of ESL and how ESL conducts their events and enforces their policies. Don't sponsors drop players in sports every day based on how they act in a "community"? They do. This is no different.
Who's in control of the decisions? Who made the decision to ban blackout based off of a bust video, I want to talk to him. I am sure there isn't anything in the ESL TOS that states " Players who are found cheating in a non-ESL game will be banned in ESL "
Mind telling me why ESL and WOGL are the only leagues that do this? I really want to know how you even came to the conclusion that the person in the bust video, and the person who posted on this forum is the person that owns the account. You can't, it's impossible. Good leagues ban people based off client detections, and ban the accounts. That's it. -
He might be an idiot. But as limes has said, you can't ban someone if your anti cheat hasn't caught him. How can you ban anybody from a league if not caught on client? Limes for example on wogl he never played on client and yet got banned for nothing. This is no different. Blackout has played the same on esl client. He preformed good if not better. And wogl client he did the same. It was a scrim. If you mods would actually play in a scrim you would know everyone says scrim don't matter.
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TASTELIMESS wrote: »Who's in control of the decisions? Who made the decision to ban blackout based off of a bust video, I want to talk to him. I am sure there isn't anything in the ESL TOS that states " Players who are found cheating in a non-ESL game will be banned in ESL "
If you read what was stated, he wasn't banned because of the bust video. He was banned because of the WAY he acted towards the video and the game in general. His ACTIONS caused consequences. You're telling me that a player can't be banned from the game for actions on these forums? You bet they can.
His actions were disgraceful. His words were disgraceful. ESL has every right to "deny service" to anyone they want if they threaten their way of conduct, as does any other organization. Period. -
TASTELIMESS wrote: »There is just too many factors involved to be banning people because of actions that don't have a direct connection with ESL. If you're going to ban him, you might as well ban several other people who play ESL that have openly admitted to cheating and have bust videos up on Youtube. But wait, how do you know it's him playing? You cannot be doing this as you have absolutely no way of proving, or finding out any of those factors. That is why none of the biggest eSports leagues do it. They rely on their anti cheat and base their actions off of what goes down in within THEIR league.
Since you're a "successful" business man. I'll put this into perspective.
Worker A is a perfect streak worker. Always gets papers in, does all of the paperwork, and listens and does everything that he is asked. Basically, he's the perfect worker that a boss wants. Regardless of if it's sucking up or not, he's getting work done, and that's what a successful business man wants. When Worker A goes into the public, he's respectful and very nice, and everybody respects him back.
Worker B is also a decent worker. He gets his work in every now and then, and gets some paperwork done. He fails to follow orders 100% and feels a need to snap back every now and then, but you don't mind. It is a business, and critique is always good. But, the catch is that Worker B goes into the public, and while everybody knows that he is a worker for your company, disgraces your company by let's say telling others business plans.
Because he's not at work, does that mean that you can't fire him? Does that mean that he's not responsible for what he had given out merely because he wasn't "at work". It's the same logic here. We base our decisions on what they do in the community. If you admit to cheating here, we're more conscious that you could cheat. This suspicion lowers if we gain trust.
So would you fire him, or keep him because you weren't watching him while he was giving out your business plans? -
Skepticalism wrote: »He might be an idiot. But as limes has said, you can't ban someone if your anti cheat hasn't caught him. How can you ban anybody from a league if not caught on client? Limes for example on wogl he never played on client and yet got banned for nothing. This is no different. Blackout has played the same on esl client. He preformed good if not better. And wogl client he did the same. It was a scrim. If you mods would actually play in a scrim you would know everyone says scrim don't matter.
Banned for nothing? cool. -
rules broken on z8games forums do not carry over to esl, but esl only, esl only can make decisions based on actions related to ESL only, not z8.[MOD]Polleus wrote: »If you read what was stated, he wasn't banned because of the bust video. He was banned because of the WAY he acted towards the video and the game in general. His ACTIONS caused consequences. You're telling me that a player can't be banned from the game for actions on these forums? You bet they can.
His actions were disgraceful. His words were disgraceful. ESL has every right to "deny service" to anyone they want if he threatens their way of conduct, as does any other organization. Period. -
Since you're a "successful" business man. I'll put this into perspective.
Worker A is a perfect streak worker. Always gets papers in, does all of the paperwork, and listens and does everything that he is asked. Basically, he's the perfect worker that a boss wants. Regardless of if it's sucking up or not, he's getting work done, and that's what a successful business man wants. When Worker A goes into the public, he's respectful and very nice, and everybody respects him back.
Worker B is also a decent worker. He gets his work in every now and then, and gets some paperwork done. He fails to follow orders 100% and feels a need to snap back every now and then, but you don't mind. It is a business, and critique is always good. But, the catch is that Worker B goes into the public, and while everybody knows that he is a worker for your company, disgraces your company by let's say telling others business plans.
Because he's not at work, does that mean that you can't fire him? Does that mean that he's not responsible for what he had given out merely because he wasn't "at work". It's the same logic here. We base our decisions on what they do in the community. If you admit to cheating here, we're more conscious that you could cheat. This suspicion lowers if we gain trust.
So would you fire him, or keep him because you weren't watching him while he was giving out your business plans?
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rules broken on z8games forums do not carry over to esl, but esl only, esl only can make decisions based on actions related to ESL only, not z8.
As Polleus stated, we reserve the right to deny access to product at any time that we want. The decision was made by Iceman, he's the boss, he reserves that right at any time. He makes the decision to ban someone, that's it. Freedom of speech and action on the internet is very limited.ram*****1337 wrote: »Let's put this thread to a conclusion
Blackout cheats but shouldn't be banned from ESL unless the anti-cheat catches him .
ESL is a bad league with awful admins .
Crossfire Leagues are a JOKE .
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Refer to the business man analogy. Same concept. Just because he wasn't caught by the AC, doesn't mean that he can't get caught by a person. -
As Polleus stated, we reserve the right to deny access to product at any time that we want. The decision was made by Iceman, he's the boss, he reserves that right at any time. He makes the decision to ban someone, that's it. Freedom of speech and action on the internet is very limited.
you're an idiot, that has nothing to do with it...I'm done responding till someone who actually knows what they're talking about responds with a legitimate response. -
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So, as a business, I shouldn't take into account employee actions off the clock? If an employee of a high profile business gets put onto YouTube smoking weed and doing drugs, I don't have the right to fire him? Get real.
Actions cause consequences. Period. He acted in a manner that disgraced how eSports should be handled. ESL has every right to uphold its image. Period. -
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There..you insulted us by your behavior.
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