European Or NorthAmerican Pug
Yo, for all the guys from Europe:
We moved to the EG vent, but ive had alot of negative comments about the move and not just about ping.
- The EU side of this game is mistakenly placed lower in the skill heirachy of this game.
- Ping of 100 is hard to draft, in most cases 150.
- Childeshness, i understand why the NA is childish, so many 12 - 14 year olds.
- EU pugs provide more fun, in many NA's opinions also.
- We do escape mode, snd and a few others when bored
- We only do Crossfire, not many many games such as seen on the NA draft.
What do you think though? Your opinion is what matters to me, so i will put it down to the majority.
We moved to the EG vent, but ive had alot of negative comments about the move and not just about ping.
- The EU side of this game is mistakenly placed lower in the skill heirachy of this game.
- Ping of 100 is hard to draft, in most cases 150.
- Childeshness, i understand why the NA is childish, so many 12 - 14 year olds.
- EU pugs provide more fun, in many NA's opinions also.
- We do escape mode, snd and a few others when bored
- We only do Crossfire, not many many games such as seen on the NA draft.
What do you think though? Your opinion is what matters to me, so i will put it down to the majority.
Comments
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+1, i really wanted to kind of merge drafts; especially with this 0 ping crazy shiz. I watch casts, dont troll me for this if hes bad but i think hes good, Miniwrecker and say Kive playing on the same team in a draft. That was the idea; but it seems the NA side of pugging doesnt live up to the scrim side.
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My view of things:
If North American players can't show the maturity to respect European players I don't see why we should keep this co-opperation going wich is bad for both Eu and Na players since drafts expand faster when both Eu and Na crowd them.
I am very disappointed with both Na and Eu players, Na for not being able to show a little maturity and RESPECT the Eu players! (Me being an Eu player myself.)
And Eu players for giving up after this 1 EliteGaming draft
Stick to it! We can go big! -
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IMO as some NA's have stated EU is more fun and i find it same vice versa, however they're are just way to many childish people who like to think they're above people over the internet and its really annoying... amazingly but not surprising this has come mainly from the NA community... when we play we do it we rage but we have a laugh to and when we troll its just for jokes when these kids troll they act like they're the shiit on-line its ridiculous. HOWEVER aside from the negatives from some immature people from the NA community all and all i like it it might even see teams being created with an NA division and EU division to the same team from NA's and EU's meeting each other in pugs, in a way bring both communities together maybe? which would be pretty cool need more of them IMO. only main reason the move was good IMO is well one the drafts NA drafts more people, more competition etc and well you know how organised it seems.. we just don't Have a big enough competitive area span like the NA's due to the language barriers.... the admins though could do with a shake up more mature and coherent people.... so really...
POSITIVES:
-community expands, more people have a laugh and enjoy the game at the same time get known as good decent or whatever with the possibility of joining new teams or forming them.
-Na's & EU's get to play against each other more frequently
-vent organisation is alot more structured which is good for knowing where you need to be etc.
- drafts more frequent.
NEGATIVES:
- the ping is horrible for calling..
- rules are abit weird..
- to many kids or teens acting like 5 year olds randomly jumping into EU vent rooms and trolling... for no reason.
- admins arent very competent on vent, not all but some.
@strapzy idk man i don't know whether this was a good move or not. i mean yeah the positives are they're and its good but the negatives are rather frustrating sometimes for most i mean im not particularly bothered because im EU but im in an NA team so im used to the vent things etc however most arent.
as for the following statement "Childishness, i understand why NA is childish, so many 12-14 year olds" to be completely honest our community is going that way to... alot of kids with big ego's and nothing but trolling and flaming happening lately in our community so i wouldn't say its just the NA's. -
Strappzzyyy wrote: »Thankyou for that post will, but ultimately, what would you like to do.
maybe talk to the CEO and have an elite gaming EU division vent ? that way they will be linked and NA's can pop on to pug with us or draft with us while at the same time sorting out the ping issue and Admin problems people are having with the vent being so large etc.. and we would then have more control so if anyone comes on trolling and wont leave we can just ban them etc... you know.. everyone would be happy then i think...
P.S the community wouldnt be split by this... we'd just post the EU's vent info on the NA's vent and the NA's on our vent simple... but the ceo would still be lustin and under his direct control etc.. -
-The callings on this vent don't really matter as we are holding all finals when there are prizes on Eu vents/ mumbleLazaIzKing wrote: »NEGATIVES:
- the ping is horrible for calling..
- rules are abit weird..
- to many kids or teens acting like 5 year olds randomly jumping into EU vent rooms and trolling... for no reason.
- admins arent very competent on vent, not all but some.
-Rules can be changed you just need to give us some feedback and tell us what we can do to improove
-Thease "kids" don't know you yet as a player and there for they troll you by calling you bad and such but as soon as you start playing with thease guys they're actually pretty cool. As i stated before i'm a european player but i've been in Na gaming since ever and i just reacently started to get on thease Eu pugs though i can't make the drafts due to work and i like how you set things up just simple and fast
-Now to the admins.. Me and Strapzy thought of having only Eu admins wich as i hear from you guys might be the best for all just don't give up on this please, you have no idea how much time me and Strapzy spent on this! -
-The callings on this vent don't really matter as we are holding all finals when there are prizes on Eu vents/ mumble
-Rules can be changed you just need to give us some feedback and tell us what we can do to improove
-Thease "kids" don't know you yet as a player and there for they troll you by calling you bad and such but as soon as you start playing with thease guys they're actually pretty cool. As i stated before i'm a european player but i've been in Na gaming since ever and i just reacently started to get on thease Eu pugs though i can't make the drafts due to work and i like how you set things up just simple and fast
-Now to the admins.. Me and Strapzy thought of having only Eu admins wich as i hear from you guys might be the best for all just don't give up on this please, you have no idea how much time me and Strapzy spent on this!
we arent giving up. well im not and neither is strapzy.
"calling":
well actually in drafts alot of teams that play the EU draft that come together like to win so calling is just as important from the first round of the draft to the final and the lag can be a problem so if you hosted not just the finals but the entire draft on the EU vent that would be better.
The "kids":
as for the NA community i don't care if they know me as a player i play for whoever wants me i don't care if some people in this game think im good or not but your not the only one whos been around the NA community for a while i have to in fact ive been playing since the beta back in 2009 so tbh i know the community to...but like i said i don't care if people think im good or not or know me. tbh it was more more mature back when teams like ROC had a mixed NA and EU team. i know alot of NA's ye they're pretty cool but i wasn't on about the people who are actually worth getting to know i was on about the stupid kids who get they're ego out of the closet on-line. tbf i know alot of peeps with ego's and like them but trolling for no reason coming in calls us shiit and dumb.. that's not on man..we're in the vent to enjoy the game and have fun not have some randie 14 year olds come in and be like "oh yo you EU people blow". if that's the sort of person that's classed as "pretty cool" on the pug vent then i don't even wanna be on that vent. <<< most EU's that I know think like that. alot of us dont even care if we're "known". who cares its online.
Draft and pug rules:
ok so now on to rules... if im honest if your gonna allow ak camo and silver allow the m4 silver i mean really.. ak camo for akers is as easy as the m4 silver is for m4 users so if your gonna let one type of gun have it then let the only other one have to if not then not at all.
however if they call it to OP then get rid of the ak camo and silver then or at least play by wogl rules or NESL rules or in the EU's case specifically for EU drafts ESL Europe rules.
Admins:
yes people would be happier if we had EU admins. because honestly.. i get the impression the NA staff just don't care towards the EU community. just my opinion though.
To the NA community:
i like alot of you guys, but you need to sort out the kids from the mature people in your community seriously..however its not all of you, so im not saying its all of you to blame just a couple of bad eggs tbh. i know it seems like im making the EU community seem perfect but its really not we have ALOT of our own problems to deal within our community, language barriers etc organisation amongst some other thing which retrospectively is probably why we merged with your pug vent but as i said we are far from perfect i dont want you to get the wrong idea.
conclusion:
now as i said we arent giving up... but just keep in mind when you try to bring together to separate communities you as the representative leader of your pug and draft need to keep the people you allow on vent under a tight leash or things like what ksoyp and aktastic said will start to emerge and it will fail... strapzy needs to do the same ofc but if im honest i dont see us doing it maybe one or 2 might become complete arses but yeah and as for the rules try to draft some rules that would suite everybody, if the NA's are as good as they say they are they wont need lower recoil guns or an extra 5 bullets to get the frags anyway. -
In all honesty, Aran. You've managed to completely mess up the EU Pug by merging it to a pug draft vent with stupid admins who host the drafts worse than the one you did. I played the EG draft twice, it took about 5 hours and surprisingly enough I won both, whilst I was on the verge of leaving, because it took way too long.
There's always a problem in there, people are cheating, people refuse to behave properly, people whine about everything and there's just no actual community. The EU Pug vent was fine, just a few bad apples that sometimes make it look terrible. There was no reason to mix the NA side with the EU side. I used to play Echo 8 a lot and the community there is absolutely awful, contrary to the EU side, where most people remain friendly instead of acting like fools and randomly throwing insults at eachother.
Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of cool guys in the North American community, but there's just too many people with egos they shouldn't have and who don't play to have fun, but rather to get known as a good player, whatever it costs.
Also, 60 votes? You're setting the standard a little bit too high there. Most Europeans cease to ever visit the forums and they're just wondering why you moved now. There was no reason, everything was fine, yet somehow you manage to mess it up. I forgot to mention it on teamspeak yesterday, but I honestly think merging with EliteGaming is the most stupid thing you've ever done.
Out of every pug draft to merge with, you merge with EliteGaming, a pug draft community which is known for being childish, ignorant and slow when it comes to support. Often enough you would win a match and there would be no admin in the result room, because it wasn't organized whatsoever and there would be a bunch of 'cool' 12-year-olds disputing, because somebody used something as simple as an exp+ hat.
There's only one simple solution, move back to your own European Ventrilo, leave EliteGaming and the NA community alone. A lot of North Americans already come to the European pug vent because they enjoy the community, they enjoy how nice everybody is to eachother, those North American people are acceptable.
The EU Pug vent was perfect, except for a bunch of bad apples, mainly Dutch people. Might be overgeneralizing a little right here, but this is all I can conclude from playing in there. Outside of that, I never get annoyed or fight with anybody, we all had loads of fun.
For example, Danny asking if no admin who was in ROC could spectate in a match, because he thought the admins were ghosting for Doughner, an incredible sniper who doesn't need anybody ghosting for him, when they were just having a chat and some were semi-shoutcasting in the spectator room.
Just my two cents, man. Hope it somehow contributes to your decision. -
i agree with kive and ks0yp
even though im an admin i never go onto the elitegaming vent since its so fucking annoying in there. We were running things more than fine on our own EU vent.
And yeah, there's like...............15 euro's that use the forums regularaly >.> -
If North American players can't show the maturity to respect European players I don't see why we should keep this co-opperation going wich is bad for both Eu and Na players since drafts expand faster when both Eu and Na crowd them.
I am very disappointed with both Na and Eu players, Na for not being able to show a little maturity and RESPECT the Eu players! (Me being an Eu player myself.)
And Eu players for giving up after this 1 EliteGaming draft
Stick to it! We can go big!
If the EU community is so strong, create a CF Draft for the EU, and don't ask for our help, simple as that. Were not all 12-14, im 17. -
Strappzzyyy wrote: »Yo, for all the guys from Europe:
We moved to the EG vent, but ive had alot of negative comments about the move and not just about ping.
- The EU side of this game is mistakenly placed lower in the skill heirachy of this game.
- Ping of 100 is hard to draft, in most cases 150.
- Childeshness, i understand why the NA is childish, so many 12 - 14 year olds.
- EU pugs provide more fun, in many NA's opinions also.
- We do escape mode, snd and a few others when bored
- We only do Crossfire, not many many games such as seen on the NA draft.
What do you think though? Your opinion is what matters to me, so i will put it down to the majority.
Why would you move to an NA vent for an EU community? Am I missing something here?
-True, i find it more difficult to play with the EU community than in Echo 8.
-That ping is fine..... for pubs, which this isnt.
-Yes.
-When I sat in a vent during an EU pug, i found it funnier than some of the NA ones ive been into to.If the EU community is so strong, create a CF Draft for the EU, and don't ask for our help, simple as that. Were not all 12-14, im 17.
Thats not the issue.. its the maturity. You could be 17 and act worse than an 8 year old. How old do you think most of the trolls and supposed "pros" that think its funny to crash events and cause trouble here are? Generally 16+ -
[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »Why would you move to an NA vent for an EU community? Am I missing something here?
-True, i find it more difficult to play with the EU community than in Echo 8.
-That ping is fine..... for pubs, which this isnt.
-Yes.
-When I sat in a vent during an EU pug, i found it funnier than some of the NA ones ive been into to.
Thats not the issue.. its the maturity. You could be 17 and act worse than an 8 year old. How old do you think most of the trolls and supposed "pros" that think its funny to crash events and cause trouble here are? Generally 16+
I could care less about the crashing of the event's but it's dumb that they would switch to a NA vent for the NA community, someone must be LD in the Staff section. -
Strappzzyyy wrote: »Its good to have this amount of feedback at 3AM, i have work tomo; and im being kept up by xfire calls because some NA is trolling or some EU is being gay.
I want 60 votes to go back to mine, then ill 100% do it
60 votes to go back why?
Doubt 60 ppl will even take time to read this, maybee im wrong.
Trying to merge 2 communtys was nice idea, however and this is only my opinion from wot ive seen my eu guys are far more matture than N/a's on a broad perpective. If its not broke why fix it, until we go back to eu i just chill with some freinds at nights. If you choose to go back to eu then hit me up il be happy to staff eu comunity again great bunch of guys [mostly]...thank's -
60 votes to go back why?
Doubt 60 ppl will even take time to read this, maybee im wrong.
Trying to merge 2 communtys was nice idea, however and this is only my opinion from wot ive seen my eu guys are far more matture than N/a's on a broad perpective. If its not broke why fix it, until we go back to eu i just chill with some freinds at nights. If you choose to go back to eu then hit me up il be happy to staff eu comunity again great bunch of guys [mostly]...thank's
max 20 will read this, that actually use the vent^^
from eu, i mean. -
ive had a lil longer to think & i think... that we should go back to what we started with a few weeks ago.. as for other people that settles it then i couldn't speak for the whole of the EU when typing those long winded posts but it seems that the majority of "known" individuals have spoken. tbh id be happy to help via staff etc.
it would of been nice if it worked but clearly it wont... i did say i wasnt giving up but when people ive played with for over a year now draw the line i think im going to aswell.
BRING BACK EU PUG.
sidenote/ dm where rust plays... he will always lag sooo i dont think shanes opinion is valid :P -
Heck, I can see what you wanted to acomplish when you decided to move the eu pug on na, you wanted to raise the level of competition and try to get along with the na folks , probably, great ideea so far, but cmon stop complaining about the na people for being imature/kids/idiots or whatever, like you didn't already knew that..
I'v played a couple of pugs on na before they added the uk servers, and all those who played pugs back then should of already knew that 50% of the guys there were about 14 years old, continously complaining on everything.Indeed the na comunity has more players than the eu one, but that's about it , why chose to play with a higher ping, give up on your admin, and stay there to be trolled by the north americans, where btw there are about 2-3 teams in their whole comunity that rises on the same level with the eu teams.
So yea what benefits are there from moving on the na pug? None, their not funnier, skilled, and their even more imature than the eu, and what I hate the most, from what I read since I haven't got to play on na pug yet(thanks god), is that they troll us, altough we camed with the ideea on merging the two comunitys, and we also chose to come play on na server, the uk servers are bad enough with 50~100 ping, 100+ ping is really unplayable.So yea.. forget about the 60 votes and get asap the eu pug vent back.
The na should have think better before doing what they did, and this should be the first and only time when we do this. If they want, they could join the eu pug, and come play in the uk servers, if not their problem, let them stay with their Bustin Jiber wannabes.
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