So im curious to why i dont get crap out of crates
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FrankyCyborg wrote: »The Black Market is not random because a computer is not capable of generating random things. If it was really random then people would probably win more then this. I spent over 300k ZP and 600k GP and i won nothing.
I played that other game called AVA and won a thompson in the first shot and people win more often.They don't have to spend hundreds and hundreds of dollar for a single gun that is slightly better then the one in the shop.
And yes i AM QQing and mad 'bout it
Thats not fraud
Also where was the official statement about it being random? Not what we say, the official comment on it being random.
Its a gamble. You dont go to a casino and say "I dont like your odds, even though I dont know them, this other casino has better odds even though I dont know the too". Why is it different here? -
kawaiineko91 wrote: »too bad z8 is in canada or it would fall under this already.
Actually doesn't matter the gambling companies that have law suits thrown their way currently are all hosted off shore. Makes zero difference if you are conducting business within the United States borders and in essence bending if not breaking the law. If you don't believe me go check out the law suits that were recently dropped on poker stars, full tilt poker etc, all of these companies long ago moved ALL hosting outside of united states borders to try to get around US jurisdiction but as you see as long as they still do business within the borders they are still required to be with in the law.
I'm no lawyer actually I'm a Network specialist/Computer tech as such I've always followed how the law works w/ regards to the internet. Just because the companies that import asian pseudo gambling games get away with it currently doesn't mean they won't find a lawsuit coming their way when the politico finally catches up to whats going on, on the web. The suits against various gambling establishments took over 5 years from the time they started skirting the law so as I said just wait. -
treysmooth2 wrote: »Actually doesn't matter the gambling companies that have law suits thrown their way currently are all hosted off shore. Makes zero difference if you are conducting business within the United States borders and in essence bending if not breaking the law. If you don't believe me go check out the law suits that were recently dropped on poker stars, full tilt poker etc, all of these companies long ago moved ALL hosting outside of united states borders to try to get around US jurisdiction but as you see as long as they still do business within the borders they are still required to be with in the law.
I'm no lawyer actually I'm a Network specialist/Computer tech as such I've always followed how the law works w/ regards to the internet. Just because the companies that import asian pseudo gambling games get away with it currently doesn't mean they won't find a lawsuit coming their way when the politico finally catches up to whats going on, on the web. The suits against various gambling establishments took over 5 years from the time they started skirting the law so as I said just wait.
You think Z8 are going to get sued for the Black Market? -
[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »Thats not fraud
Also where was the official statement about it being random? Not what we say, the official comment on it being random.
Its a gamble. You dont go to a casino and say "I dont like your odds, even though I dont know them, this other casino has better odds even though I dont know the too". Why is it different here?
You just made one of the arguments I made in the past and a mod tried to convince me it wasn't gambling, thx for making my argument for me. So in essence you are taking money from kids many of them far under 16 even though that is supposedly the age to play, in a gambling setup.
Don't get me wrong I"m not mad in the least, other than the fact you don't display odds(very very sleazy) I see nothing wrong as long as all parties involved are off age(18 minimum) but that is not the case sadly.
Thx again for clarifying that this is in fact gambling you further my point very nicely.
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[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »You think Z8 are going to get sued for the Black Market?
Just speculation, the gambling net sites that had the law suits layed on them at the federal level put in their commercials "for entertainment only" thing is they were still making money on gambling. What I see w/ this game is a virtual slot machine gallery where real dollars are on a daily basis gambled away for the chance to win goods. Again I really have zero problem with a pseudo casino if; THE ODDS ARE POSTED, and number 2 everyone participating is of legal age(18 in the usa).
Unfortunately z8 plays dumb when asked about odds and lets people below 10 play the game. I know its 16 on the site but I've met little kids that admitted they were 8 10 etc. If it were my company and I wanted to air on the safe side I would enforce those 2 things if I wanted to feel like I was doing the "right" thing so to speak. -
treysmooth2 wrote: »You just made one of the arguments I made in the past and a mod tried to convince me it wasn't gambling, thx for making my argument for me. So in essence you are taking money from kids many of them far under 16 even though that is supposedly the age to play in a gambling setup.
Don't get me wrong I"m not mad in the least, other than the fact you don't display odds(very very sleazy) I see nothing wrong as long as all parties involved are off age(18 minimum) but that is the case sadly.
Thx again for clarifying that this is in fact gambling you further my point very nicely.
No. Youre spending ZP on the BM, not money. You spend on ZP but what you do with it afterwards is none of Z8's concern.
Where did I "admit to it being gambling" in that quote?
And give me a link to any casino, or other game thats shows there odds at winning in the black market. Its not at all a sleazy move. -
It happens....soo...yeah...BM literally is a gamble. And some people just have a bad playing streak...like me.
BTW, Did you guys know that CF has its own toyline, i was in China, Shanghai 2 days ago and saw an electronic/toy store selling gold and silver versions of guns we have in CF.
If any of it will become real, then i spy a new camo AK sometime in the future. -
[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »No. Youre spending ZP on the BM, not money. You spend on ZP but what you do with it afterwards is none of Z8's concern.
Where did I "admit to it being gambling" in that quote?
And give me a link to any casino, or other game thats shows there odds at winning in the black market. Its not at all a sleazy move.
Just because you have people transfer funds through one medium to another doesn't change the fact that cash is being translated to something to gamble w/ in most casino's you cash in for chips you use at the table, sound familiar?
Second ever buy a lotto ticket? In the states every ticket is required to show the odds on that ticket to inform the buyer of what they are getting into, this type of law applies to all forms of gambling with in the states as far as I know.
Where did you say its gambling in your quote: Its a gamble. You dont go to a casino and say "I dont like your odds, even though I dont know them, this other casino has better odds even though I dont know the too". Why is it different here?
Actually you can get the odds on most games blackjack? touch under 50/50, roulette 60 some odd spots you can land on so 1 in 60ish see what I'm saying?
As far as other gaming sites don't give odds on their pseudo casinos, exactly they are just as guilty as z8. I have no axe to grind against z8 i'm just pointing out the situation and this problem is wide spread across companies that import asian gambling games(what this game is).
I notice you're in England, my guess the laws are different in your country which is why I was pointing out how this applies to the states. -
I've won one thing in the BM, a Santa Hat. I don't spend money to buy ZP and probably never will, therefore it's not actually "gambling" for me, but I do get pretty damn annoyed when people post about all the s**t they've won in a couple crates where I've spent probably half the GP I've ever gotten from the game trying crates. Btw I didn't even buy the Santa Hat crate, it came from an event. Conspiracy >.>
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No, its not gambling in terms of the law. Your using virtual currency, regardless of how you obtained it.
Its not against the law. If it was, it wouldnt have been implemented in the first place.
Tha Black Market isnt specifically targetted for anyone. It just so happens kids use it.
If a parent doesnt like them using it, then they are free to stop them from doing so.
If you were to ever sue Z8 for this, you would not have a case. It is not their fault a child "gambles" away virtual currency. -
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[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »No, its not gambling in terms of the law. Your using virtual currency, regardless of how you obtained it.
Its not against the law. If it was, it wouldnt have been implemented in the first place.
Tha Black Market isnt specifically targetted for anyone. It just so happens kids use it.
If a parent doesnt like them using it, then they are free to stop them from doing so.
If you were to ever sue Z8 for this, you would not have a case. It is not their fault a child "gambles" away virtual currency.
Actually I never said I was going to sue z8 I was referring to the federal government if they ever realized that kids are the ones getting hooked on gambling through these games. Should the parents be responsible for keeping their kids away from this crap sure, but thats not how it works and if enough people get upset it doesn't take much for a senate hearing on these virtual gaming gambling sites.
As far as targeting kids well its a video game who would you expect to show up? I'm older but for every player like me that runs his own shop and has time to play a game or two there are 100's of kids that could potentially get hooked on gambling not even realizing what is happening.
I get why this model is so popular if you told someone that a gun in a game cost 100 dollars to buy most consumers would simply walk away from the table, BUT if you tell someone its all luck! and then charge around a buck a chance people will stand in line to throw money down the well til they have spent far beyond that original price point and beyond.
To me it comes down to ethics is it illegal to run a pseudo casino that happens to service mostly kids below 18 well I think there is a case there but you may disagree. However is it ethical to run a pseudo casino that primarily panders to kids absolutely not. -
treysmooth2 wrote: »I get why this model is so popular if you told someone that a gun in a game cost 100 dollars to buy most consumers would simply walk away from the table, BUT if you tell someone its all luck! and then charge around a buck a chance people will stand in line to throw money down the well til they have spent far beyond that original price point and beyond.
^This is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO true it's not even funny. -
treysmooth2 wrote: »Actually I never said I was going to sue z8 I was referring to what the federal government if they ever realized that kids are the ones getting hooked on gambling through these games. Should the parents be responsible for keeping their kids away from this crap sure, but thats not how it works and if enough people get upset it doesn't take much for a a hearing on these virtual gaming gambling sites.
As far as targeting kids well its a video game who would you expect to show up? I'm older but for every player like me that runs his own shop and has time to play a game or two there are 100's of kids that could potentially get hooked on gambling not even realizing what is happening.
I get why this model is so popular if you told someone that a gun in a game cost 100 dollars to buy most consumers would simply walk away from the table, BUT if you tell someone its all luck! and then charge around a buck a chance people will stand in line to throw money down the well til they have spent far beyond that original price point and beyond.
To me it comes down to ethics is it illegal to run a pseudo casino that happens to service mostly many below 18 well I think there is a case there but you may disagree. However is it ethical to run a pseudo casino that primarily panders to kids absolutely not.
I never said you were. Perhaps I should have been clearly. I meant it hypothetically.
You pretty much aggreed to my statement about the parents responsibilities. A 14-15 year old will not be buying their own ZP... their parents would be.
Youre comparing the Black Market way too much to an online gambling website. Thats completely different than this for a number of reason, the main being that you only lose ZP... you may spend money on the ZP, but thats not what youre using. I cant seem to able to stress this enough for you to understand how it works.
True, people would, but then some people win in 1 crate and others 1000. It is about luck in the end. Luck that a series of 1's and 0's happens to land on your target and you win.
No it isnt illegal. Find me a case where a company was sued for their Black Market like system using virtual currency. -
treysmooth2 wrote: »This was kinda my point.
Well, people can continue wasting money for all I care, because I've pretty much stopped buying crates. The thing is, there isn't really anything else that is perm to buy with ZP (other than converting it to GP). Characters don't count because they don't affect gameplay. Characters are the only think you can straight up pay for with zp and "own" forever, and it doesn't even affect your gameplay.
Anyone else think Z8 is greedy? -
[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »I never said you were. Perhaps I should have been clearly. I meant it hypothetically.
You pretty much aggreed to my statement about the parents responsibilities. A 14-15 year old will not be buying their own ZP... their parents would be.
Youre comparing the Black Market way too much to an online gambling website. Thats completely different than this for a number of reason, the main being that you only lose ZP... you may spend money on the ZP, but thats not what youre using. I cant seem to able to stress this enough for you to understand how it works.
True, people would, but then some people win in 1 crate and others 1000. It is about luck in the end. Luck that a series of 1's and 0's happens to land on your target and you win.
No it isnt illegal. Find me a case where a company was sued for their Black Market like system using virtual currency.
Actually im 15 and am working so I have my own money which I could spend on ZP, I just choose not to. I know other people younger than me who do though. So the thing about parents doing it willingly isn't necessarily true. -
[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »I never said you were. Perhaps I should have been clearly. I meant it hypothetically.
You pretty much aggreed to my statement about the parents responsibilities. A 14-15 year old will not be buying their own ZP... their parents would be.
Youre comparing the Black Market way too much to an online gambling website. Thats completely different than this for a number of reason, the main being that you only lose ZP... you may spend money on the ZP, but thats not what youre using. I cant seem to able to stress this enough for you to understand how it works.
True, people would, but then some people win in 1 crate and others 1000. It is about luck in the end. Luck that a series of 1's and 0's happens to land on your target and you win.
No it isnt illegal. Find me a case where a company was sued for their Black Market like system using virtual currency.
It's actually quite possible for a 14-15 year old to earn their own money and buy zp. If the parents had any sense, they shouldn't let their child throw it all away on this "free" online game anyways.
Yes, ZP =/= real money, but real money pays for ZP. If 20k ZP costs $20 CAD, then 20k ZP = $20. It's like you're converting real currency into virtual currency. Yes yes yes, surveys, blah, blah, blah, can get you free ZP and stuff, but there are survey providers that pay you real money too.
Buying crates are worst than buying booster packs for collectible/trading card games. At least you actually own the cards afterwards, and can sell the ones you don't need for profit. -
Anyone else think Z8 is greedy?
Nope, youre just not smart.Actually im 15 and am working so I have my own money which I could spend on ZP, I just choose not to. I know other people younger than me who do though. So the thing about parents doing it willingly isn't necessarily true.
Again, I should have been clearer. I should have added "generally".
I dont remember saing parents willingly let their children use the black market?
Its great you have a job and know what to spend your money on, but those that dont, have their parents buy it. Im not repeating myself again. Scroll up for the parent stuff.
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