Gradual Progress cap?
So yes, the Devs and the Mods have said "No, were not having any plans on implementing this" several times as mentioned but was thinking of the benefirts that the ping cap can bring. Im going to be simple and blunt in my statments so bear with me:
Im thinking a ping cap of around 500 or even higher to 700. WE ALL know that these people are the ones that teleport and no one likes them. Not even the higher pingers like these guys.
We have it at 500 or 700 so pretty much everyone can still play, just the teleporters get kicked from the room to the lobby. If they can get back a stable connection, then all is good.
On top of this, Im thinking of a gradual ping cap with higher standards of internet connectivity; with each subsequent year, the ping cap lowers by 50 ping or whatever ( could be 10 or whatever). High ping harms the 0-150ping ranged people and causes racial sentiment against cetain groups of the game due to their "delay" in the game. Its both an injustice to the high pingers and the low pingers.
Now for any idiot that claims that Ping has nothing to do with Lag, Go educate yourself here:
http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=142512&highlight=ping+guide
in other words, dont be like these fools that think that High ping has something to do with your kd or somet garbage like that:
http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=146202&highlight=ping+guide&page=2
Im thinking a ping cap of around 500 or even higher to 700. WE ALL know that these people are the ones that teleport and no one likes them. Not even the higher pingers like these guys.
We have it at 500 or 700 so pretty much everyone can still play, just the teleporters get kicked from the room to the lobby. If they can get back a stable connection, then all is good.
On top of this, Im thinking of a gradual ping cap with higher standards of internet connectivity; with each subsequent year, the ping cap lowers by 50 ping or whatever ( could be 10 or whatever). High ping harms the 0-150ping ranged people and causes racial sentiment against cetain groups of the game due to their "delay" in the game. Its both an injustice to the high pingers and the low pingers.
Now for any idiot that claims that Ping has nothing to do with Lag, Go educate yourself here:
http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=142512&highlight=ping+guide
in other words, dont be like these fools that think that High ping has something to do with your kd or somet garbage like that:
http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=146202&highlight=ping+guide&page=2
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MonsterSquad wrote: »Anything beyond 200 ping is unplayable, what you been smoking. The only way to make it even remotely bareable is if you have godly FPS.
Yes, but we can all agree that anyone with 500 ping or above SHOULDNT be playing.
That should be the first step: Get rid of the teleporters. -
Considering how many people actually do pay money to get Z8Games to give them ZP, disallowing someone to play this game with a certain ping is pretty much as much as discrimination.
I'm not one of those pingers, me being an American with Canadian Ping (10-30 Area) I consider this to be possible, but highly unlikely. -
A sincere note to CF:
You won't cap ping? Fine, then do something, anything about this ping issue. It's getting out of control at this point. Maybe take ideas from other games because you aren't too great at coming up with ideas. Do what MW2 does, match players similar pings. The flood of threads about brs/laggers/ping will not stop unless you do something.
Thanks
Best regards,
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TGEHydralisk wrote: »Considering how many people actually do pay money to get Z8Games to give them ZP, disallowing someone to play this game with a certain ping is pretty much as much as discrimination.
I'm not one of those pingers, me being an American with Canadian Ping (10-30 Area) I consider this to be possible, but highly unlikely.Kedaamikeda wrote: »A sincere note to CF:
You won't cap ping? Fine, then do something, anything about this ping issue. It's getting out of control at this point. Maybe take ideas from other games because you aren't too great at coming up with ideas. Do what MW2 does, match players similar pings. The flood of threads about brs/laggers/ping will not stop unless you do something.
Thanks
Best regards,
keda
Guys...
This isnt about "discriminating" against certain demographics that some players play from.
Cant we agree that 700 ping is not onyl bad but degrading to themselves AND the players that play with that player?
It will still be ok for those 200 pingers or even 300 pingers to keep playing. Im just talking about the ones that teleport... 500+ ping. -
RawrJafrikan wrote: »Guys...
This isnt about "discriminating" against certain demographics that some players play from.
Cant we agree that 700 ping is not onyl bad but degrading to themselves AND the players that play with that player?
It will still be ok for those 200 pingers or even 300 pingers to keep playing. Im just talking about the ones that teleport... 500+ ping.
Don't get me wrong. I do understand this isn't about discrimination, infact, I am completely against it. It's great that CF is expanding to other countries and I am happy for them, I really am. But if that brings down the quality of the game, I will not stand for that, and that's exactly what's happening. If something isn't done soon, CF will be bankrupted out of NA soon. -
Kedaamikeda wrote: »Don't get me wrong. I do understand this isn't about discrimination, infact, I am completely against it. It's great that CF is expanding to other countries and I am happy for them, I really am. But if that brings down the quality of the game, I will not stand for that, and that's exactly what's happening. If something isn't done soon, CF will be bankrupted out of NA soon.
Thats true.
But I think its too late. They could start with a snall but time consuming transition such as one i have suggested.
Just start with a ping cap of 700, then 500, then 400, etc. -
Forgot to add this, but Come on Devs.
I just dont understand why our versian cant get a ping cap, but alot of other versians have them....
Dont take this in the wrong way. I still want the Brs to keep on playing UNTIL they get their own CF. That being said, we should get a ping cap at around 500 so 200 and 300 pingers can still continue to play. -
So your saying that CF put on a filter on the network cards, that disregard any ping higher then 700 and causing ppl that have a good connection to the servers to have higher ping?
Think about it, it like having 5 routers, x = firewalls... all routing packets that are coming and out at once, then had this "filter" to drop ppl ping signal that higher than 700.
Doing this, CF would not even be able to add a text dialog in the game. -
DFearULuv2H8 wrote: »So your saying that CF put on a filter on the network cards, that disregard any ping higher then 700 and causing ppl that have a good connection to the servers to have higher ping?
Think about it, it like having 5 routers, x = firewalls... all routing packets that are coming and out at once, then had this "filter" to drop ppl ping signal that higher than 700.
Doing this, CF would not even be able to add a text dialog in the game.
Yet other versians have it? Right bro... Right -
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Once the ping becomes large enough the server automatically disconnects you.
This is the case for every game. I am just asking that the ping value be lower.
Edit: There are many ways that you can make a ping cap. Just because YOU dont know how to make one doenst mean they dont. Evidence:
"In some games, users with a high ping unintentionally gain an unfair advantage, as in some implementations of the Quake III Arena network protocol and game engine. In these games, the player aided by the higher ping s**** around, making it hard to judge where the character is exactly, and thus more elusive to target. For this reason, many servers automatically remove players with higher than average ping - with thresholds as low as 130 milliseconds." -
That funny, because i work on Micrsoft Servers and I never come across this technology, even in the new server 2008. Web Server, Enterprise Server, Standard, Data Server, SQL, Exchange, Small Business, Home Servers, Routers, Proxies, firewalls, switchs, hubs, Cisco Routers, Citrix Routers, Apple, Linux.
So are you sure the technology is there or the plays in the game are just lagging out?
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DFearULuv2H8 wrote: »That funny, because i work on Micrsoft Servers and I never come across this technology, even in the new server 2008. Web Server, Enterprise Server, Standard, Data Server, SQL, Exchange, Small Business, Home Servers, Routers, Proxies, firewalls, switchs, hubs, Cisco Routers, Citrix Routers, Apple, Linux.
So are you sure the technology is there or the plays in the game are just lagging out?
Please, by all means. give me a link that shows this "ping cap" technology.
Lagging out: lack of ability to send packets fast enough to maintain connection right?
Technically that would be a "ping cap" .
I dont know the technology behind this, but if many game ssuch as CS and the previous one mentioned has it.. then... its bound to be there. -
RawrJafrikan wrote: »Lagging out: lack of ability to send packets fast enough to maintain connection right?
Technically that would be a "ping cap" .
I dont know the technology behind this, but if many game ssuch as CS and the previous one mentioned has it.. then... its bound to be there.
Then if the technology is there. Then you would be able to google it and search bing...
And nothing shows up, but cap for a hat!
How you can implement QoS, which balances the flow of how packets come and go, or load balancing and clusting, but the last two are more for the HD then networking.
Certified in MSITP Servers and CCNP Cisco -
DFearULuv2H8 wrote: »Then if the technology is there. Then you would be able to google it and search bing...
And nothing shows up, but cap for a hat!
How you can implement QoS, which balances the flow of how packets come and go, or load balancing and clusting, but the last two are more for the HD then networking.
Certified in MSITP Servers and CCNP Cisco
Ok look bro... Either these companies are lying... or there is some way that they are doing it. Maybe they do it based of the actual value that pops up in the game? Like the number appears and if its greater than whatever, it boots them from the room?
Googling and Binging might not be the best way to do so; too many results come from the word "ping" and "cap".
Like you said. Maybe its not about networking. -
If this idea were to work, what would happen to those people that have a decent ping of around 50+ and spikes up to the 700 range? My Internet connection occasionally does it and it's rather tedious.
Maybe this ping cap should be more specific, perhaps have a timer to kick the constant High pingers than to kick both the spiking and the constant high pingers? -
TGEHydralisk wrote: »If this idea were to work, what would happen to those people that have a decent ping of around 50+ and spikes up to the 700 range? My Internet connection occasionally does it and it's rather tedious.
Maybe this ping cap should be more specific, perhaps have a timer to kick the constant High pingers than to kick both the spiking and the constant high pingers?
Get kicked to the lobby?
Yeah Im thinking maybe like every 135ms the game checks your ping. If your ping spikes and stays that high for more than 3 intervals you get kicked to lobby? -
RawrJafrikan wrote: »Ok look bro... Either these companies are lying... or there is some way that they are doing it. Maybe they do it based of the actual value that pops up in the game? Like the number appears and if its greater than whatever, it boots them from the room?
Googling and Binging might not be the best way to do so; too many results come from the word "ping" and "cap".
Like you said. Maybe its not about networking.RawrJafrikan wrote: »Get kicked to the lobby?
Yeah Im thinking maybe like every 135ms the game checks your ping. If your ping spikes and stays that high for more than 3 intervals you get kicked to lobby?
So how we are talking about programing this implemention for dropping ppl with high ping, rather then put a hardware device that works better on the networking end, then software.
By the way, I dont know the name for this "myth", because it dont exist in the world of technology. And if it does by the clams of your other gaming company's, then ask them for the name and then we can go from there. -
DFearULuv2H8 wrote: »So how we are talking about programing this implemention for dropping ppl with high ping, rather then put a hardware device that works better on the networking end, then software.
By the way, I dont know the name for this "myth", because it dont exist in the world of technology. And if it does by the clams of your other gaming company's, then ask them for the name and then we can go from there.
Lol go find out yourself! Im not your mom.
Dont complain to me plz! -
RawrJafrikan wrote: »Lol go find out yourself! Im not your mom.
Dont complain to me plz!
I'm guessing you are mad or forgot how to read, because there no one complaining here.
Plain and simple. If this technology existed, then why CF wouldn't implement it in there servers?
since you and some other ppl think this "myth" is there, then why not have the ping cap at 800 - 1000, not at 500 - 700 that is little extreme.
Think about, if you think CF or Z8 dont want to implement because this ping cap would chase client away, but having this ping cap set at 800 - 1000 would keep the ppl that lagging the server and not the ppl at 400 - 700 that are simple running big progarm in the background that lagging there FPS and ping.
Besides, it easy killing ppl with higher ping. remember you going to act faster then the lagging person. so act fast and shoot fast.
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DFearULuv2H8 wrote: »I'm guessing you are mad or forgot how to read, because there no one complaining here.
Plain and simple. If this technology existed, then why CF wouldn't implement it in there servers?
since you and some other ppl think this "myth" is there, then why not have the ping cap at 800 - 1000, not at 500 - 700 that is little extreme.
Think about, if you think CF or Z8 dont want to implement because this ping cap would chase client away, but having this ping cap set at 800 - 1000 would keep the ppl that lagging the server and not the ppl at 400 - 700 that are simple running big progarm in the background that lagging there FPS and ping.
Besides, it easy killing ppl with higher ping. remember you going to act faster then the lagging person. so act fast and shoot fast.
Case Close.
Work on your english, but simply put, the reason why they wouldnt want to implement a ping cap would be for financial reasons.
Ping cap at 800-1000? too high imho .... how is 500 radical in any way? You do realize that you are teleporting at this point right?
Acting faster, but response time for the guy with higher ping is also going to be slower. Thus, it can be said that low pingers will have to shoot more bullets to kill somone, whereas somone with higher ping will suffer response time but will be sure that that person will be dead when shot.
Case open. Dont act like your smart with these sad comments.
Edit: Forgot how to read vs Inability to read horribly placed sentences. -
RawrJafrikan wrote: »Work on your english, but simply put, the reason why they wouldnt want to implement a ping cap would be for financial reasons.
Ping cap at 800-1000? too high imho .... how is 500 radical in any way? You do realize that you are teleporting at this point right?
Acting faster, but response time for the guy with higher ping is also going to be slower. Thus, it can be said that low pingers will have to shoot more bullets to kill somone, whereas somone with higher ping will suffer response time but will be sure that that person will be dead when shot.
Case open. Dont act like your smart with these sad comments.
Edit: Forgot how to read vs Inability to read horribly placed sentences.
You are still mad noob.
Tell try to insult someone intelligence by starting a flaming war that you start is sad. All I asked you is to provide some information that backup the information that you provide earlier in this thread.
But you can't provide this information, but say some other company as a "ping cap" but you still fail to get the proof from the company.
Like most ppl would say in the world, an I qoute "DONT MAKE CLAIMS THAT YOU CANT BACKUP".
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DFearULuv2H8 wrote: »You are still mad noob.
Tell try to insult someone intelligence by starting a flaming war that you start is sad. All I asked you is to provide some information that backup the information that you provide earlier in this thread.
But you can't provide this information, but say some other company as a "ping cap" but you still fail to get the proof from the company.
Like most ppl would say in the world, an I qoute "DONT MAKE CLAIMS THAT YOU CANT BACKUP".
Until your povide this "proof", then this problem is solved. Case closed.
I cant even understand you. Im actually laughing like crazy (actually Loled in real life when I saw "noob"), but I guess im mad.
Ill try and find the info of a ping cap, but as I said, I dont really care how it will be done; I just want it to be done. Regardless, there is ALWAYS a way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ping_(video_gaming)
Heres wikipedia, just look at the references I guess.
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