Radeon hd 5850
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the hl2 engine IS awesome.
Yeah cant disagree there, its has very smooth game play with only a few hitbox issues that can be easily fixed via the console to the point where the problem is very insignificant. I wish the CF engine was similar :P -
i got the 5450 1gb ddr2, its around 110-150. (2.4ghz quad core but cf only uses 1 core so w/e. 2.5gb ram cause 32bit.) what's ur cpu?
I use the 5450 too, but mine is from gigabyte with ddr3. the cpu is athlon x2 @2800 mhz
I average 150 fps in 8v8 with full AA, AF, etc
it's a good low budget card -
I use the 5450 too, but mine is from gigabyte with ddr3. the cpu is athlon x2 @2800 mhz
I average 150 fps in 8v8 with full AA, AF, etc
it's a good low budget card
For the same price or for a extra pounds you could a HD 4850 that's a really good GPU for the price. Has a high memory bandwidth and works well on high resolutions. -
It's not really predictable how much your FPS will be, crossfire is coded in a horrible way.. I run Fear2, a game that's using the same engine and it's locked to 60 FPS (should go way higher) graphics are 100 times better than those from Crossfire aswell, while in CF I only had 100 fps in an 8v8.
I'm running a HD5770, 4G DDR3 RAM, 3.2Ghz Phenom II X4, ASUS M4a79T deluxe mobo and a 650W PSU. -
Liqweedate wrote: »It's not really predictable how much your FPS will be, crossfire is coded in a horrible way.. I run Fear2, a game that's using the same engine and it's locked to 60 FPS (should go way higher) graphics are 100 times better than those from Crossfire aswell, while in CF I only had 100 fps in an 8v8.
I'm running a HD5770, 4G DDR3 RAM, 3.2Ghz Phenom II X4, ASUS M4a79T deluxe mobo and a 650W PSU.
Are you sure you got the right spec's there? because the the CPU uses a AM2 socket and the motherboard you claim to use only supports AM3. -
ForumDaddy wrote: »Are you sure you got the right spec's there? because the the CPU uses a AM2 socket and the motherboard you claim to use only supports AM3.
he has the right specs if you would have looked further into it
the board supports
this cpu Phenom IIX4 955 (HDX955FBK4DGI),3.2GHz,125W,rev.C2,SocketAM3,Quad-Core
as you can see it is AM3 -
ForumDaddy wrote: »Are you sure you got the right spec's there? because the the CPU uses a AM2 socket and the motherboard you claim to use only supports AM3.
Since when do phenoms run off a AM2? Lmfao...
Correct me if I'm wrong but Phenoms are AM2+/AM3 -
Well I have new info. My brother just went out and bought a 512mb Radeon HD4350 and gets no less then 50fps at all times. He runs a 2.8Ghz 2 core, Intel 1gb ram. (sorry doing the specs off the top of my head so not exact). So compare that to the card your getting might give a better idea of what your gonna have.
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MaryJaneKB wrote: »Well I have new info. My brother just went out and bought a 512mb Radeon HD4350 and gets no less then 50fps at all times. He runs a 2.8Ghz 2 core, Intel 1gb ram. (sorry doing the specs off the top of my head so not exact). So compare that to the card your getting might give a better idea of what your gonna have.
GPU really doesn't matter on this game.
Have a friend using a Integrated getting 60 fps.
Nuff said. -
GPU really doesn't matter on this game.
Have a friend using a Integrated getting 60 fps.
Nuff said.
I know but it does when your running a Shared memory on board GPU
Now that it is dedicated it runs MUCH better and much more stable FPS. They didn't improve much but now he doesn't drop to 20-50 at random times 
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hahaha is that all he gets is no lower than 60
my lowest is over 90
NviDia Geforce FTW
Need I say more
3.40 gigahertz AMD Phenom II X4 965
512 kilobyte primary memory cache
2048 kilobyte secondary memory cache
6144 kilobyte tertiary memory cache
64-bit ready
Multi-core (4 total)
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Slot 'DIMM2' is Empty
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NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX/9800 GTX+ [Display adapter] (3x)
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TOTAL = $761 -
1of300sparta wrote: »ok, here's a question, whats a gpus and all those smart people terms u guys used here, like over clocking and such
GPU = Graphics Processing Unit
In other words a video card / integrated chip on a mobo.
CPU = Central Processing Unit
The processor that acts as sort of a brain on your computer
Mobo = motherboard
Derp.
Overclocking is changing the speed of a component to be higher then it is sold as thereby increasing performance.
Bear in mind this is all pretty much dumbed down to explain simply :P -
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NviDia compete's with ATI's hottest most expensive cards
Date:Tuesday , August 17, 2010Category:GPU / Video CardsManufacturers:NVIDIAAuthor:Brent JusticeEditor:Kyle Bennett
GeForce GTX 460 SLI vs. Radeon HD 5870 CFX @ 5760
Last week we showed you that GTX 460 1GB SLI was a better performer than the much more expensive Radeon HD 5870 CrossFireX at 2560x1200 resolution. This week we look at 5760x1200, a super widescreen gaming resolution using both company's multi-display technologies; NV Surround and ATI Eyefinity.
Introduction
We’ve been seeing NVIDIA’s new mainstream champion, the GeForce GTX 460 hold the spotlight by providing a solid gameplay experience while representing a very good value. When two of these Galaxy GTX 460 1GB video cards are combined in a system and SLI is enabled we have witnessed incredible gaming performance that surpasses even the competition's high-end video card solutions in CrossFireX configurations. This SLI scaling is a true wakeup call for AMD, begging for better multi-GPU CrossFireX scaling efficiency. Previously we looked at these configurations using a single 30" monitor at a very large 2560x1200 resolution. Today we take our NV Surround and Eyefinity users into consideration and show you 3x1 5760x1200 resolution using each company's multi-display gaming technology.
Test Setup
We are using two Galaxy GeForce GTX 460 1GB Super OC video cards. These video cards are factory overclocked and operate at 810MHz GPU clock speed, 1600MHz shader frequency and 4GHz memory. We are also using two "reference" Radeon HD 5870 1GB video cards overclocked to common factory speeds of 850MHz GPU and 4.8GHz memory. We are using an apples-to-apples comparison between Galaxy GTX 460 1GB SLI and Radeon HD 5870 1GB CFX in terms of resolution and in-game quality settings. While we usually show you frame rates at "highest playable" settings, these A2A results do not represent "playable" settings in all games. Given that these results do not represent canned timedemos but are rather real world gaming run-throughs.
The system specifications are MSI X58 Eclipse, Intel Core i7 920 @ 3.6GHz, 6GB DDR3, Dell 3007WFP, Win7 x64. We are using the latest Catalyst 10.7a BETA driver for the AMD video cards and NVIDIA ForceWare drivers 258.96 WHQL.
5760x120 - 3x1
Metro 2033
In Metro 2033, running at 5760x1200 with "Very High" in-game settings and AAA enabled, we see that performance delta is very small between the two configurations. The Galaxy GeForce GTX 460 SLI is technically faster considering average frame rate, but the spread is only 1.5 frames per second. In the game itself we could not tell one card configuration from the other. This is the first time since our 2560x1600 testing that performance has been roughly the same between these two card combinations.
Battlefield: Bad Company 2
In Battlefield: Bad Company 2 we tested at 5760x1200 with 2X AA enabled, and once again we see Galaxy GeForce GTX 460 SLI winning in terms of average frame rate. That is not really where the true win is playing this game. When you look at the graph, you will notice that the Radeon HD 5870 1GB CFX configuration's frame rate has many severe down-spikes in frame rate. The Galaxy GeForce GTX 460 SLI flows much better and returns a frame rate that is much more consistent. This consistency translates to a much better gameplay experience.
This goes to show why real-world gameplay information is much more important than just a "benchmark" or "timedemo." If you had just seen the average framerates on a bar chart it would be misleading and not tell the whole story.
You keep asking why we have not made BF:BC2 CrossFireX performance and issue with AMD. This is not a new issue and AMD sees that its CFX card setups keep taking a beating in this game. At this point I have to assume that AMD does not have the resources to address the problem.
Aliens vs. Predator
In Aliens vs. Predator we are testing at 5760x1200 with No AA enabled. We had to disable AA completely in this game in order to actually complete our run-through on the Radeon HD 5870 1GB CFX, otherwise the game was too laggy and we ended up dying. When we die in our gaming run-through it tends to negate the process so it has to be started over which can be very resource consuming.
As you can see, this game, unlike the other two, has a much larger delta in the average framerate. The Galaxy GeForce GTX 460 SLI is pulling in much higher frame rates, though it did lag behind in one area where performance dropped abruptly. This happened when the character (a Predator) was hunched over a fellow Predator, arming his wrist explosive device, for some reason it seemed like SLI dropped the ball here, or there was some sort of memory bandwidth bottleneck for about 20 seconds. Overall though, the experience was noticeably better with Galaxy GeForce GTX 460 SLI.
1GB Bottlenecks at 5760
There are some limitations with gaming in a triple display configuration at 5760x1200. Notably the amount of RAM on the video card will impact how high you can set the graphics settings in a game as well as the level of AntiAliasing. The GeForce GTX 460 has 1GB of RAM on board, and we have found limitations with this amount at these triple display resolutions. Similarly the Radeon HD 5870 also has 1GB of memory on board. This allowed us to make an apples-to-apples comparison, but note that each game can only be taken so far in terms of AA.
For example, in Metro 2033 it is absolutely impossible to run
at 5760x1200 with 4X AA (the only AA option supported) enabled. In Aliens vs. Predator it is also near impossible to play with 2X AA enabled, and thus we had to lower it to "No AA" just to be able to do our run-through on both combinations. In Bad Company 2 the absolute highest we could set was 2X AA, any higher and it was simply too laggy and choppy to actually complete the run-through. Therefore, we are at the highest possible settings without completely being bottlenecked by the memory capacity. As such, both of these card configurations are simply limited by other factors that keep their overall potential capped at high resolutions like 5760x1200. It was quite interesting though that we saw Radeon HD 5870 CrossFireX catch up to Galaxy GeForce GTX 460 SLI in Metro 2033.
The Bottom Line
NVIDIA’s GeForce GTX 460 SLI continues to impress, even at triple display resolutions. However, as the resolution increases, the gap does close between the Radeon HD 5870 CrossFireX and GeForce GTX 460 SLI. In the end though, there is no denying that GeForce GTX 460 SLI provided faster framerates and a smoother, more consistent, gameplay experience.
When AMD’s ATI Eyefinity was debuted, there was nothing else to compare it to at the time. We’ve certainly had great performances with AMD video cards in ATI Eyefnity, and still do. It seems though that NVIDIA has been hard at work too, trying to steal that crown, and it seems NVIDIA's hard work has paid off. Yes, NVIDIA was caught off guard by ATI Eyefinity, but it seems NVIDIA's current generation of video cards are more than capable of pushing triple displays with SLI at very fast framerates. NVIDIA has certainly surprised everyone with the GeForce GTX 460 and its amazing SLI scaling and performance.
It is also worth noting that in single card configurations, AMD's ATI Radeon HD 5800 series still rules the multi-display market and has no competition. It looks as though AMD's CrossFireX implementation is the only poison in the well at this time. Single 5850s and 5870s are still great cards, but we do have to say that the GeForce GTX 460 has taken away the HD 5850's "Best Value" crown that it has worn since its introduction. With GeForce GTX 460 1GB SLI performance compared to any level of CrossFireX, well, AMD should just be embarrassed.
One Galaxy GeForce GTX 460 1GB will cost you $229 after $10 MIR. That is a relatively "inexpensive" $460 SLI setup that will provide some awesome gaming performance even in a triple display configuration. -
The system specifications are MSI X58 Eclipse, Intel Core i7 920 @ 3.6GHz, 6GB DDR3, Dell 3007WFP, Win7 x64. We are using the latest Catalyst 10.7a BETA driver for the AMD video cards and NVIDIA ForceWare drivers 258.96 WHQL.
Because we all have i7's and 6 gigs of triple channel ddr3.
Just sayin... -
iShopBellaOo wrote: »The system specifications are MSI X58 Eclipse, Intel Core i7 920 @ 3.6GHz, 6GB DDR3, Dell 3007WFP, Win7 x64. We are using the latest Catalyst 10.7a BETA driver for the AMD video cards and NVIDIA ForceWare drivers 258.96 WHQL.
Because we all have i7's and 6 gigs of triple channel ddr3.
Just sayin...
This seems like TechSpot mark II ;D -
Date:Tuesday , August 17, 2010Category:GPU / Video CardsManufacturers:NVIDIAAuthor:Brent JusticeEditor:Kyle BennettGeForce GTX 460 SLI vs. Radeon HD 5870 CFX @ 5760
Last week we showed you that GTX 460 1GB SLI was a better performer than the much more expensive Radeon HD 5870 CrossFireX at 2560x1200 resolution. This week we look at 5760x1200, a super widescreen gaming resolution using both company's multi-display technologies; NV Surround and ATI Eyefinity.
Introduction
We’ve been seeing NVIDIA’s new mainstream champion, the GeForce GTX 460 hold the spotlight by providing a solid gameplay experience while representing a very good value. When two of these Galaxy GTX 460 1GB video cards are combined in a system and SLI is enabled we have witnessed incredible gaming performance that surpasses even the competition's high-end video card solutions in CrossFireX configurations. This SLI scaling is a true wakeup call for AMD, begging for better multi-GPU CrossFireX scaling efficiency. Previously we looked at these configurations using a single 30" monitor at a very large 2560x1200 resolution. Today we take our NV Surround and Eyefinity users into consideration and show you 3x1 5760x1200 resolution using each company's multi-display gaming technology.
Test Setup
We are using two Galaxy GeForce GTX 460 1GB Super OC video cards. These video cards are factory overclocked and operate at 810MHz GPU clock speed, 1600MHz shader frequency and 4GHz memory. We are also using two "reference" Radeon HD 5870 1GB video cards overclocked to common factory speeds of 850MHz GPU and 4.8GHz memory. We are using an apples-to-apples comparison between Galaxy GTX 460 1GB SLI and Radeon HD 5870 1GB CFX in terms of resolution and in-game quality settings. While we usually show you frame rates at "highest playable" settings, these A2A results do not represent "playable" settings in all games. Given that these results do not represent canned timedemos but are rather real world gaming run-throughs.
The system specifications are MSI X58 Eclipse, Intel Core i7 920 @ 3.6GHz, 6GB DDR3, Dell 3007WFP, Win7 x64. We are using the latest Catalyst 10.7a BETA driver for the AMD video cards and NVIDIA ForceWare drivers 258.96 WHQL.
5760x120 - 3x1
Metro 2033
In Metro 2033, running at 5760x1200 with "Very High" in-game settings and AAA enabled, we see that performance delta is very small between the two configurations. The Galaxy GeForce GTX 460 SLI is technically faster considering average frame rate, but the spread is only 1.5 frames per second. In the game itself we could not tell one card configuration from the other. This is the first time since our 2560x1600 testing that performance has been roughly the same between these two card combinations.
Battlefield: Bad Company 2
In Battlefield: Bad Company 2 we tested at 5760x1200 with 2X AA enabled, and once again we see Galaxy GeForce GTX 460 SLI winning in terms of average frame rate. That is not really where the true win is playing this game. When you look at the graph, you will notice that the Radeon HD 5870 1GB CFX configuration's frame rate has many severe down-spikes in frame rate. The Galaxy GeForce GTX 460 SLI flows much better and returns a frame rate that is much more consistent. This consistency translates to a much better gameplay experience.
This goes to show why real-world gameplay information is much more important than just a "benchmark" or "timedemo." If you had just seen the average framerates on a bar chart it would be misleading and not tell the whole story.
You keep asking why we have not made BF:BC2 CrossFireX performance and issue with AMD. This is not a new issue and AMD sees that its CFX card setups keep taking a beating in this game. At this point I have to assume that AMD does not have the resources to address the problem.
Aliens vs. Predator
In Aliens vs. Predator we are testing at 5760x1200 with No AA enabled. We had to disable AA completely in this game in order to actually complete our run-through on the Radeon HD 5870 1GB CFX, otherwise the game was too laggy and we ended up dying. When we die in our gaming run-through it tends to negate the process so it has to be started over which can be very resource consuming.
As you can see, this game, unlike the other two, has a much larger delta in the average framerate. The Galaxy GeForce GTX 460 SLI is pulling in much higher frame rates, though it did lag behind in one area where performance dropped abruptly. This happened when the character (a Predator) was hunched over a fellow Predator, arming his wrist explosive device, for some reason it seemed like SLI dropped the ball here, or there was some sort of memory bandwidth bottleneck for about 20 seconds. Overall though, the experience was noticeably better with Galaxy GeForce GTX 460 SLI.
1GB Bottlenecks at 5760
There are some limitations with gaming in a triple display configuration at 5760x1200. Notably the amount of RAM on the video card will impact how high you can set the graphics settings in a game as well as the level of AntiAliasing. The GeForce GTX 460 has 1GB of RAM on board, and we have found limitations with this amount at these triple display resolutions. Similarly the Radeon HD 5870 also has 1GB of memory on board. This allowed us to make an apples-to-apples comparison, but note that each game can only be taken so far in terms of AA.
For example, in Metro 2033 it is absolutely impossible to run
at 5760x1200 with 4X AA (the only AA option supported) enabled. In Aliens vs. Predator it is also near impossible to play with 2X AA enabled, and thus we had to lower it to "No AA" just to be able to do our run-through on both combinations. In Bad Company 2 the absolute highest we could set was 2X AA, any higher and it was simply too laggy and choppy to actually complete the run-through. Therefore, we are at the highest possible settings without completely being bottlenecked by the memory capacity. As such, both of these card configurations are simply limited by other factors that keep their overall potential capped at high resolutions like 5760x1200. It was quite interesting though that we saw Radeon HD 5870 CrossFireX catch up to Galaxy GeForce GTX 460 SLI in Metro 2033.
The Bottom Line
NVIDIA’s GeForce GTX 460 SLI continues to impress, even at triple display resolutions. However, as the resolution increases, the gap does close between the Radeon HD 5870 CrossFireX and GeForce GTX 460 SLI. In the end though, there is no denying that GeForce GTX 460 SLI provided faster framerates and a smoother, more consistent, gameplay experience.
When AMD’s ATI Eyefinity was debuted, there was nothing else to compare it to at the time. We’ve certainly had great performances with AMD video cards in ATI Eyefnity, and still do. It seems though that NVIDIA has been hard at work too, trying to steal that crown, and it seems NVIDIA's hard work has paid off. Yes, NVIDIA was caught off guard by ATI Eyefinity, but it seems NVIDIA's current generation of video cards are more than capable of pushing triple displays with SLI at very fast framerates. NVIDIA has certainly surprised everyone with the GeForce GTX 460 and its amazing SLI scaling and performance.
It is also worth noting that in single card configurations, AMD's ATI Radeon HD 5800 series still rules the multi-display market and has no competition. It looks as though AMD's CrossFireX implementation is the only poison in the well at this time. Single 5850s and 5870s are still great cards, but we do have to say that the GeForce GTX 460 has taken away the HD 5850's "Best Value" crown that it has worn since its introduction. With GeForce GTX 460 1GB SLI performance compared to any level of CrossFireX, well, AMD should just be embarrassed.
One Galaxy GeForce GTX 460 1GB will cost you $229 after $10 MIR. That is a relatively "inexpensive" $460 SLI setup that will provide some awesome gaming performance even in a triple display configuration.
You could have just posted: "I'M A NVIDIA FANBOY AND I SUCK" -
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compete with the 6000 series easily, but if you can't get one of those, get the 4870, just as good. 
when I go on CoD :rolleyes:
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