[sG] Visual Weapon Rules
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This Draft was created to also attract some of the "Pubbers". We wanted to kind of introduce some sort of competitive yet fun style of game play to that aspect of the community. Also, we wanted to have our own separate rule set. We have been discussion alternating weekends and creating a B Rule set. B Rule set will have much more restricted in weapons. Set A would be the current rules.
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This Draft was created to also attract some of the "Pubbers". We wanted to kind of introduce some sort of competitive yet fun style of game play to that aspect of the community. Also, we wanted to have our own separate rule set. We have been discussion alternating weekends and creating a B Rule set. B Rule set will have much more restricted in weapons. Set A would be the current rules.
You still haven't provided logic that contains no contradictions/an actual consistent rule set.
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There is not logical explanation to it. That is how we planned to create it and that is basically it. The developers don't care if the guns have advantages, they just add them for the players. That is simply what sG has done. We added the weapons to attract more players.
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There is not logical explanation to it. That is how we planned to create it and that is basically it. The developers don't care if the guns have advantages, they just add them for the players. That is simply what sG has done. We added the weapons to attract more players.
So then you aren't pretending to offer a competitive atmosphere? Good, I have no qualms with that. -
Not pretending. Competitive doesn't just revolve around weapons. It also has to do with the game style or game play. 5vs5 Pug Scrims Gym style is basically what we do. I'm not exactly sure on were you are trying to go with this but "Pretending" to hold competitive drafts is not what we do. We hold competitive drafts with a different rule set. If you don't agree with our rule set, WOGL Runs some pretty good ones on Friday Nights at 9:00PM EST on their public ventrilo server.
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Not pretending. Competitive doesn't just revolve around weapons. It also has to do with the game style or game play. 5vs5 Pug Scrims Gym style is basically what we do. I'm not exactly sure on were you are trying to go with this but "Pretending" to hold competitive drafts is not what we do. We hold competitive drafts with a different rule set. If you don't agree with our rule set, WOGL Runs some pretty good ones on Friday Nights at 9:00PM EST on their public ventrilo server.
A truly competitive setting puts all players on as fair ground as possible. Going by this, you do not have a competitive setting.
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Competitive - involving competition or competitiveness; "competitive games"; "to improve one's competitive position"
Competitive doesn't revolve around the weapons. Some weapons may have an advantage but it's like saying Gurp is better then StopRagin so Gurp can't play. If you want to compare us to WOGL, they are more competitive. But saying we aren't a competitive draft is simply your opinion and if you are insisting it is a fact then you are wrong. -
Competitive doesn't revolve around the weapons. Some weapons may have an advantage but it's like saying Gurp is better then StopRagin so Gurp can't play.
This is possibly the stupidest thing I have ever heard. You obviously do not grasp that competition is the process of playing against one another in order to determine who is the better player. Using this as an examplejust makes me sick.Competitive - involving competition or competitiveness; "competitive games"; "to improve one's competitive position"If you want to compare us to WOGL, they are more competitive. But saying we aren't a competitive draft is simply your opinion and if you are insisting it is a fact then you are wrong.
I obviously forget that people vary in definitions, therefore I will be clear.
You admit then, that your organization allows specific weapons an items that a) are blatantly unbalanced, and b) provide advantages to the paying user over the non-paying one, aka allowing factors other than the players' skill level to determine the winner? -
You have your opinion. I have mine. If you don't like it, then ignore it. If you have a problem PM me. Your very critical on things that don't even concern you. Why they don't concern you? You don't even participate in our events or drafts.
The reason why your post don't make sense to me is because your not here to suggest or even complain. You are simply just criticizing what we are doing. You could of asked me this question on a PM. This post was just a more designed visual rule set. Whether or not you like my opinions, doesn't really change anything. You could of even been like "Hey David, your rule set isn't fair because of .....".
It's simply respecting another persons decision/opinion, even if you don't agree with them. If you would like to continue on with this conversation, then PM me. Other then that, please stop posting on this thread. -
You have your opinion. I have mine. If you don't like it, then ignore it. If you have a problem PM me.
No, this is relevant to the thread, and the possibility exists that someone else will get something out of the discussion.Your very critical on things that don't even concern you. Why they don't concern you? You don't even participate in our events or drafts.
A) I'm critical on everything, whether or not it concerns me in your eyes. Which is does, for other reasons than the one stated immediately below A), you just need to extrapolate.
I won your Friday draft.The reason why your post don't make sense to me is because your not here to suggest or even complain. You are simply just criticizing what we are doing.
So? I don't understand your point.You could of asked me this question on a PM. This post was just a more designed visual rule set.
I explained briefly at the top...Whether or not you like my opinions, doesn't really change anything. You could of even been like "Hey David, your rule set isn't fair because of .....".
Nothing in this thread has to do with your opinion. Nothing. At all. If you can't understand that, then post that you are, so I can stop trying to talk to you.It's simply respecting another persons decision/opinion, even if you don't agree with them.
You're stupid if you thin that I'm "disrespecting your decision." If you are stupid, then post that you are, so I can stop trying to talk to you.If you would like to continue on with this conversation, then PM me. Other then that, please stop posting on this thread.
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Your drafts aren't competitive, and that's a fact, not an opinion. Both times I have gone to your draft my team has run through the competition like a sharp knife running through explosive diarrhea by using OP guns to just smash everyone. There hasn't been a single team we've played that hasn't complained about the ruleset.
If everyone thinks your rules blow, don't you think you should change them? -
Your drafts aren't competitive, and that's a fact, not an opinion. Both times I have gone to your draft my team has run through the competition like a sharp knife running through explosive diarrhea by using OP guns to just smash everyone. There hasn't been a single team we've played that hasn't complained about the ruleset.
If everyone thinks your rules blow, don't you think you should change them?
I've heard complaints about the xm8. Nothing really about the rule set in whole. Like I said, they may not be as competitive as other organizations/leagues such as WOGL but they are still competitive. Maybe it is the time to change the rule set. -
Another thing to say to the fake Saul and those of you who enjoy to troll. Suggesting is one thing. Complaining is another. In general, most people would prefer people to suggest. Complaining will become frustrating but that's part of anything somebody will take part in.
Denxi is simply coming on here to criticize something that doesn't concern him. He brings up some good points and I would respect his opinions and suggestions if he gave them in a more respectable manner. I've seen him suggest on WOGL Forums and I've seen him make some really good suggestions to other parts of the community. I'm directing most of this towards Denxi because this discussion would of never come about if he didn't post.
I like to see post that help. This helps but those of you that did have a problem with something, let me know. Just telling me now that other teams have been complaining doesn't help me until I do know. Now I do know which is why I have decided to go over the rule set with Saul. -
This isn't close to a competitive draft.
You're allowing Xm8 ( both variations ) Mp5 ( all variations ) but you don't allow the Type89 which does the same damage through the wall as both Mp5 and Xm8.
Also you're allowing silenced guns which clearly give the owner an advantage. No zp guns should be allowed. You say your bringing "pubbers" to the process? Let them pub with their zp/bp guns.
Competitive Scene shouldn't be everyone in the game.
If you want to make it competitive at all, then you will change your rules. The weapon set can easily be changed. The best rule set to ever come out was CSN.
All this is in my eyes and opinion. -
This isn't close to a competitive draft.
You're allowing Xm8 ( both variations ) Mp5 ( all variations ) but you don't allow the Type89 which does the same damage through the wall as both Mp5 and Xm8.
Also you're allowing silenced guns which clearly give the owner an advantage. No zp guns should be allowed. You say your bringing "pubbers" to the process? Let them pub with their zp/bp guns.
Competitive Scene shouldn't be everyone in the game.
If you want to make it competitive at all, then you will change your rules. The weapon set can easily be changed. The best rule set to ever come out was CSN.
All this is in my eyes and opinion.
Thanks. This helps. -
Even through the stick you are getting in this thread. I believe Secular Gaming have made a good decision. Why create another Pug system similar to others we already have? Expanding to a larger audience is exactly what they should have done and are doing. Don't like the rule set? Play another a pug hosted by a different corporation.
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Well you are correct, that is what we wanted to do but the demand of competitive players is pretty high. We wanted to attract some pubbers but to be honest, I see the same people I usually see participating. Plus, I know the XM8 has been taken advantage of in a lot of matches. I'm going to go ahead and edit the rules myself. I do feel that I need to change the rule set.
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If you don't want to come to the drafts, that's fine. It's not like we need you to come on, as long as some people come, it's fine. We have 100s of players who come weekly, but only 12 teams weekly [60 players] and not having you could push some chances for others to shine.
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I obviously forget that people vary in definitions, therefore I will be clear.
You admit then, that your organization allows specific weapons an items that a) are blatantly unbalanced, and b) provide advantages to the paying user over the non-paying one, aka allowing factors other than the players' skill level to determine the winner?
I'm assuming by your dodge of this, that you're just too shamed to respond?Another thing to say to the fake Saul and those of you who enjoy to troll. Suggesting is one thing. Complaining is another. In general, most people would prefer people to suggest. Complaining will become frustrating but that's part of anything somebody will take part in.
Denxi is simply coming on here to criticize something that doesn't concern him. He brings up some good points and I would respect his opinions and suggestions if he gave them in a more respectable manner. I've seen him suggest on WOGL Forums and I've seen him make some really good suggestions to other parts of the community. I'm directing most of this towards Denxi because this discussion would of never come about if he didn't post.
I like to see post that help. This helps but those of you that did have a problem with something, let me know. Just telling me now that other teams have been complaining doesn't help me until I do know. Now I do know which is why I have decided to go over the rule set with Saul.
You have done multiple ridiculously stupid things in the past, and have done nothing regardless of those to earn my respect. Flawed attempts are not results. Stop harping on how I "don't respect you" because in reality there are VERY FEW PEOPLE in this community who I actually respect (The number is under 15).
Whether or not the conversation would or wouldn't have come up is not my problem. It DID come up, and you have yet to answer the discussion ENDING question with a true response. All I want is admission, something which, as stated above, you seem too shamed to give because of the reality. Why? I personally think it's because you ridiculously want to be part of this community due to some kind of exclusion in real life. Maybe you were bullied, I don't know specifics, but you constantly changing your personality and CONSTANTLY trying to get involved with something that has shown to not suit you pretty well suggests that.
If you can't do it right, then get a consultant who can. -
Hi denxi,
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I was impressed until I realized it was a CnP. Apparently you are too lazy to even troll originally. Apparently you don't how to properly identify what a paragraph is either.
GET CUT FROM MINDPLAY PLEASE.
we got a match next week, you can bottom for us again
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