5.7
Five point Seven.
Idiocy is idiotic, especially when the person causing the idiocy is too immature to accept the fact that it's stupid, and will ignore any sort of logical conversation on the subject because he know he's wrong, and has been proven wrong before, and yet despite all the talk about his competitive experience since Socom he's still as immature as a child and is so prideful that, far from HELPING the community as he constantly says he's DAMAGING it through condoning his OWN STUPIDITY FOR THE SOLE REASON THAT HE'S TOO MUCH OF A BABY TO SUCK IT UP AND ADMIT HE'S WRONG.
WTF Rob. Seriously. This doesn't even apply to solely this. This applies to every situation that you were too much of a baby to properly address.
Idiocy is idiotic, especially when the person causing the idiocy is too immature to accept the fact that it's stupid, and will ignore any sort of logical conversation on the subject because he know he's wrong, and has been proven wrong before, and yet despite all the talk about his competitive experience since Socom he's still as immature as a child and is so prideful that, far from HELPING the community as he constantly says he's DAMAGING it through condoning his OWN STUPIDITY FOR THE SOLE REASON THAT HE'S TOO MUCH OF A BABY TO SUCK IT UP AND ADMIT HE'S WRONG.
WTF Rob. Seriously. This doesn't even apply to solely this. This applies to every situation that you were too much of a baby to properly address.
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Unfortunately, I have to agree with this statement. Said ones logic has been flawed toward competitive gameplay for a while and even though I (and others) have gone against what he has said/done, he either turns it around or basically says "My way or the highway" even when the decision made was blatantly wrong/corrupt.
Kayne "Bloodyfire" S.
-Previous WOGL CF Administrator and Competitive CF Player as of April 2009. -
It's about more than the rule. It's about the entire "SHUT UP I'M RIGHT AND EVEN THOUGH I'M BLATANTLY WRONG I'LL DENY EVERYTHING" attitude.
Can you please clarify to make it a bit more clear. Or PM me if you do not want to keep the meaning of secrecy when you started the thread. -
did I miss something?
Missing private convos is pretty easy.
Real quick though:
- Rule 5.7
- Lack of effort to create an actual balanced rule set.
- Lack of effort to remedy a flaw in the registration system, and lack of ability to even RECOGNIZE the issue. (The issue being I could for a bunch of good players into a team without their consent, and then not let them leave the team to play for their own teams.) -
On the Record: This will be logged and screenshot as it is a direct post in relation to both WOGL and the the Cross Fire League Director, actions will be taken accordingly.
As the Cross Fire League Director my duty is to order and system our Cross Fire events; As a user you agree to the terms I implement. By will, your not being forced to register. You, by choice agreed to the terms and policies in and around our organization. If everything wasn't a debate all the time, a more personable approach would be taken as was taken in the past two season. We as staff don't need to dignify a response, technically. By responding we're being generous. Our duties are not public relations. As stated, our job is to order and system our events.
The overly sad part about this is the word 'immature' being pointed in my direction, yet there's an entire post of ignorance and in a childish manner placed at our feet here. This isn't perspective and/or opinion, this is sheer ignorance. Blunt honesty; If you don't agree to the terms or conditions of the league, you do not have to play. It's not the "my way or the highway" notion. It's pure logic and honesty...When being opinionated and the desire is change, you must be open to ALL views apposed to the tunneled-mind you possess. If being immature is that of someone who must adhere to a community of minds apposed to one mind. I've admitted to something being ehhh, but as a director, I must be open and understanding to ALL.
Why disallow boosting? Due to the state of this game and the countless number of broken fragments of the maps inside this game we would need an AUTHORIZED letter from the developers of this game [CF_Eng] to point out EVERY authorized and/or legal boost spot. Is this legal? Is that legal? There's alot that must be looked into when deciding whether portions of maps are legal; Is this a legit opening, map glitch, mistake, etc...This process of authorizing is far beyond my/our ability. I agree that boosts may be a strategic part of this game, but due to the state of some maps we can't openly accept the possibility of exploits. Everyone preaches for the least amount of exploits, and by disallowing boost closes the door on many exploits. And it it's sad that the state of the open boost are overshadowed by the map exploits, but to assure the exploits are removed there's times we must take drastic measures. But you allow bunnyhopping and double-jumping! We do know this an exploit, but unfortunately we don't have the resources to monitor this issue. Disallowing something like 'bhopping' would open a flood gate or reports that we as staff and an organization don't have the resources to monitor given the functions of our demo player. Something like boosts can be monitored and moderated. The general action of bhopping would have to be infracted for EACH time its' done. I don't think anyone quite understands how out of hand that would get. We're talking 1500+ users PM'ing you, emailing, messaging you all with obvious questions, and or authorizing map points and declining exploits. To reduce the flood of questions and/or concerns regarding points and exploits we unfortunately have to remove the major factor. If we had accessibility to the schematics of each map in translation how they physically are on the servers things would be different. Proof is proof. At this point we can only guess and assume. Neither assures an exploit free environment.
Like authorizing boosts; People DO KNOW, I was the only one that would delegate community time and answer questions in and out of game PtP. While being praised for being the only one to discuss, I'm shunned this season for having a more professional and stern stance. I do speak with individuals, and answer questions in PtP....but the task get's overwhelming, and when users feel the need to 'debate' every corner and inch of something in THEIR OPINION you lose patience as a user. I work 12-14hrs/day, 7days/wk + a wife + daughter + personal life + WOGL + community relations. If I were a 16/17yr old high school student, sure I'd have more time. But unfortunately I have responsibilities, priorities and engagements I must uphold to, and feel I delegate them just fine.
Access to conversation on third party applications with staff members is a privilege. It's not our job to respond and/or engage in conversation on our personal time and accounts. Respect is a two way street. -
On the Record: This will be logged and screenshot as it is a direct post in relation to both WOGL and the the Cross Fire League Director, actions will be taken accordingly.
As the Cross Fire League Director my duty is to order and system our Cross Fire events; As a user you agree to the terms I implement. By will, your not being forced to register. You, by choice agreed to the terms and policies in and around our organization. If everything wasn't a debate all the time, a more personable approach would be taken as was taken in the past two season. We as staff don't need to dignify a response, technically. By responding we're being generous. Our duties are not public relations. As stated, our job is to order and system our events.The overly sad part about this is the word 'immature' being pointed in my direction, yet there's an entire post of ignorance and in a childish manner placed at our feet here. This isn't perspective and/or opinion, this is sheer ignorance. Blunt honesty; If you don't agree to the terms or conditions of the league, you do not have to play. It's not the "my way or the highway" notion. It's pure logic and honesty...When being opinionated and the desire is change, you must be open to ALL views apposed to the tunneled-mind you possess. If being immature is that of someone who must adhere to a community of minds apposed to one mind. I've admitted to something being ehhh, but as a director, I must be open and understanding to ALL.
Reference: Help Desk TicketD - I, denxi[ju], USN = 1922974, IGn = barO.vat, confirm the team change TO mindpLay FROM Very Angry Tomatoes.
VAT -> MP
B - We can not remove players from teams until we receive a confirmation from both teams of the removal and exchange.
Thank You,
Bobby
Cross Fire League Director
D - Please then remove me from Very Angry Tomatoes. I don't see why the team leader needs to confirm my leave, it's not his decision.
Also, I was told by the team leader of mindpLay that he had submitted a ticket requesting my joining.
B - We can't make any adjustments until all parties have confirmed this adjustment.
Thank You,
Bobby
Cross Fire League Director
D - Why does the team leader of VAT need to confirm my leaving? What if he wants to be mean and not let me leave?
B - It's his team. Players can't be removed from the registration he submit without his confirmation.
Thank You,
Bobby
Cross Fire League Director
D - So what's to stop me from making a team with a bunch of high level players, and then not letting them leave? (S3 ofc) (In said scenario the players do not want to be on my team. You see the dilemma?)
B - This is not a debate. Have all parties contact Help Center confirming this action. Further dragging this out will come with an infraction.
D - Ofc this isn't a debate. I'm asking why the system is set up like this when it means it's easy to trap players, making them unable to play and punishing WOGL by reducing the amount of good players participating in the league.
I'm going to get Dag to post anyways, I know he isn't going to be a ******, but the solution to a major, blatant issue like this isn't to just say "It's like that cause it is" and then refuse to speak about it or even discuss any kind of solution.
Apparently trying to understand why something is what it is is a bad thing?
B - No, they're OUR rules...they're not for debate. You either abide by them or don't participate. Case, and final.
This ticket is closed.
Thank You,
Bobby
Cross Fire League Director
That's maturity? That's "pure logic and honesty"? Seeing a major issue and ignoring it?
Stop going back to the "If you don't like it, don't participate." For some reason you think you know how I think, which is ridiculous.
I WILL SAY IT ONE MORE TIME. I don't think about my own goals, ONLY WAYS TO IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY. I know it's something hard for one such as yourself to understand, BUT IT'S THE TRUTH.Why disallow boosting? Due to the state of this game and the countless number of broken fragments of the maps inside this game we would need an AUTHORIZED letter from the developers of this game [CF_Eng] to point out EVERY authorized and/or legal boost spot. Is this legal? Is that legal? There's alot that must be looked into when deciding whether portions of maps are legal; Is this a legit opening, map glitch, mistake, etc...This process of authorizing is far beyond my/our ability. I agree that boosts may be a strategic part of this game, but due to the state of some maps we can't openly accept the possibility of exploits. Everyone preaches for the least amount of exploits, and by disallowing boost closes the door on many exploits. And it it's sad that the state of the open boost are overshadowed by the map exploits, but to assure the exploits are removed there's times we must take drastic measures. But you allow bunnyhopping and double-jumping! We do know this an exploit, but unfortunately we don't have the resources to monitor this issue. Disallowing something like 'bhopping' would open a flood gate or reports that we as staff and an organization don't have the resources to monitor given the functions of our demo player. Something like boosts can be monitored and moderated. The general action of bhopping would have to be infracted for EACH time its' done. I don't think anyone quite understands how out of hand that would get. We're talking 1500+ users PM'ing you, emailing, messaging you all with obvious questions, and or authorizing map points and declining exploits. To reduce the flood of questions and/or concerns regarding points and exploits we unfortunately have to remove the major factor. If we had accessibility to the schematics of each map in translation how they physically are on the servers things would be different. Proof is proof. At this point we can only guess and assume. Neither assures an exploit free environment.
Or, Instead of being stupid and trying to tie the game to Z8/Devs, you could make the decisions off of whether or not it's balanced. That means getting people to determine whether or not the boost can exist while still creating a balanced map.
Stop tying things to Z8 and look at whether or not they actually make sense in the competitive game.
Oh, and btw BHopping/DJing isn't an unintended glitch anymore, it's been proven on multiple occasions and been confirmed by MODs, and iirc Saidin himself.
Also, no intelligent person wants all exploits banned. They only want GAME BREAKING exploits banned. There's a difference.Like authorizing boosts; People DO KNOW, I was the only one that would delegate community time and answer questions in and out of game PtP. While being praised for being the only one to discuss, I'm shunned this season for having a more professional and stern stance. I do speak with individuals, and answer questions in PtP....but the task get's overwhelming, and when users feel the need to 'debate' every corner and inch of something in THEIR OPINION you lose patience as a user. I work 12-14hrs/day, 7days/wk + a wife + daughter + personal life + WOGL + community relations. If I were a 16/17yr old high school student, sure I'd have more time. But unfortunately I have responsibilities, priorities and engagements I must uphold to, and feel I delegate them just fine.
I'm not ****ed for you being unwilling to engage in long, realtime discussion. I'm ****ed because you're avoiding even discussions that could take place over a long period of time.Access to conversation on third party applications with staff members is a privilege. It's not our job to respond and/or engage in conversation on our personal time and accounts. Respect is a two way street.
So then don't. But then don't lock threads that are made in the WOGL section criticizing your actions with one statement. **** like that is ridiculous.
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