Non hackers getting kicked for hacking!

Rorzer wrote: »

soo many qq threads.

This isnt a QQ thread. By definition QQ means to cry or to excessively whine or complain about something. IDK bout you but my own further definition & the only time Ill accuse someone of qq'ing is when they relentlessly & irrational ramble on about something without just cause or merritt; usually the case is in CF, its falsely accusing someone of hacking & then going on and on and on and on and wrongfully persecuting and accusing that person with no real proof. That to me is pure QQ. I havent seen any of that here.

What I do see here is many different people of various ages from many different walks of life with all sorts of different mentalities & personalities expressing themselves. Some more productively then others, sure. Some griping about hackers or getting falsely kicked. Some offering up their own ideas & opinions. But this is the ultimate purpose of a discussion board, correct? But all in all people expressing their own beliefs & opinions in an intelligible & civil manner, save for the few people that have offered up nothing themselves but nonconstructive & pointless criticism of others that has nothing to do with the topic of the thread itself. Whether one is inclined to believe them or not or care for or against what they say; either way, does not make them a QQ'er.

I dont expect many people have bothered to fully read through this thread & carefully consider each post here since its so huge now but there are some words of wisdom throughout & Ill say it again, some very good ideas has how to combat the on going problem of so many people getting screwed over & falsely kicked so often.

idfe wrote: »

The thing that really gets me angry is when people kick me for no reason. i'm not even ace or anything close to it, i'm not near first place, and i haven't done anything abnormal, yet they still kick me, then everyone agrees and i get kicked.

I know, theres plenty of this kind of stupid nonsensical behavior against players to begin with. Even if youre not doing particularly well. Some people will just kick cuz theyre little jerks or theyre just sad individuals to begin with & their own personal lives are so shallow & meaningless they get off on causing trouble & picking on people. Being too good & getting kicked is bad enough but this also happens fairly regularly as well.

idfe wrote: »

I've seen an idea in some games where if abnormal game play was detected, the person would not receive any gp or xp. of course, this may cause some people who didn't do anything wrong to lose their gp, but i think that that system could catch a lot of hackers/ buggers.

any thoughts?

Thats the exact same flawed system we have right now, except those individuals are forced from the game by the other players in the same room. Im thinking you mean like an automated system that picks on in this abnormal game play then I personally wouldnt know. I wouldnt even begin to understand the logistics of incorporating a system like that & how accurate it would be. What games are you referring to? Could you be more specific about this system youre referring to? Its difficult to offer any thoughts on it without knowing more about it.

kaiserlich3 wrote: »

I think it wont work. Just got kicked by players that are first lieutenants - reason: hack. Obviously i dont hack - and obviously they just wanna win. Thats it. Winning is everything and there is always one bad guy that will kick you.

You make a good point that yes, even though you have a high ranked player, such as first lieutenant, they can still be punks that would be unkickable room hosts that in turn can just kick out people for no good legit reason. But there are also plenty of good decent fair-minded people that play this game of all ranks as well.

The cool thing is that if you get into a room with an obvious punk who isnt being a fair & responsible room host, whether they use hacks or are just kicking you for no good reason, you can simply leave his room and go find another until you get in a room with another room host who plays fair. Believe me there are more of us than youd think.

After experimenting playing with different unkickable room hosts you like, after a while youll build up a personal list of whom you trust and whom you dont trust. Again there are plenty of good, honest players out there that this type of system would thrive under. And with this kind of system in place, word would get around of which unkickable room hosts are good to play with and which are not.

There should even be a separate board created here specifically with a list of these high ranking unkickable room hosts where people could leave negative and positive feedback on them. Maybe something like how Ebay keeps their feedback on buyers & sellers. That would be an excellent idea I think. It would definitely help to better moderate and manage the special privilege given them as an unkickable room host.

And the main purpose of this system that Ive proposed is that anyone who plays long enough can eventually obtain the high rank needed to become an unkickable room host & have a shot of being unkickable & like Ive pointed out before, there really wouldnt be many players stupid or careless enough to risk losing their account by using hacks & if they choose to use hacks & cheats it will eventually catch up with them, their account will be banned & problem solved.

As far as the other issue of the room host themselves being unfair & throwing up kicks on people that dont deserve it, well like I said, that would only be a few bad apples out of the bunch youd have to worry about I think & again just leave the room and go find another. And the discussion board to score these players would help with that also.

kaiserlich3 wrote: »

The community in the game is unfair and selfish. There are very rare player, wise, friendly, honest and strong. If i read through the forum its the opposit, many nice players here. Why not in game like this?

Id like to think Im one of the individuals with the traits you described. I always try to be & its not hard to do really. The only time youll see me be unfriendly is if you cross me & act like an idiot, including making undeserved personal attacks on me and making false accusations about me hacking. Then the gloves are off. Otherwise I always try to be of the mindset of live and let live. Do unto others as youd have them do unto you, etc. And there are actually others like that who play CF too, its just sometimes these individuals seem to be overshadowed by the immature & ignorant behavior of some of the other players.

iBeastproloftis wrote: »

Dude high five you joined the KICKED CLUB. Everyone gets kicked deal with it haa.

I am dealing with it, the best I can. Thats why this thread was started in the first place and why Ive taken such an adamant stance on this issue. If you mean deal with it by simply doing nothing, then youre talking to the wrong person. Ive never been one to just sit back and take it. If its something I care enough about Ill speak up about it and try to do something about it. I care about CF cuz I really enjoy playing the game & I see much room for improvement in the current kicking system, so Im going to at the very least create a thread about it, voicing my concerns & opinions including trying to offer an amicable solution to the problem, & hope to have others of similar mentality add to the discussion, which is what I have done here.

And yes, everyone gets kicked; some more than others. Its not a big deal for some as they dont get kicked that often. For others it is a big deal when youre doing well & you get the unwanted attention of others who cant tell the difference between being legitimately good and hacking and then you get unfairly kicked. Just cuz youre good at what you do. That is a very big deal to those of us that have to deal with that on a regular to constant basis.

MDubstar wrote: »

I have this alot but this is why you play with friends or clan mates so you have a better chance of it getting denied

Good point. That definitely helps, having friends and clan mates who you know got your back. But honestly its just a band-aid being put on a gaping, infected wound that needs stitches ie. the current kick system.

Core2DuoOC1 wrote: »

I think the vote system sucks hardcore, it needs to be removed. If you remove the kick system you will force people to report hackers. And force Noobs to stay in the first 2 servers. Dont let them come to pro servers and go kick happy becuase they get pwned 2-54.

I agree with you that it sucks, definitely. But I think it just needs be revised a little, not removed. I think the kick system is necessary to have in a game like this cuz there are actual punks & hackers that should & deserve to get kicked so it does work on certain levels. The problem is the way things are now, too many people too often are getting wrongfully kicked at the same time who do not deserve it. And this happens an insane, ridiculous amount of their play time, mine included. My suggestion is one possible revision to the current kick system that would definitely take care of the problem in a big way, I believe.