Winchester range depletion
I absolutely love the Winchester for short and medium range. I like it's power, I like how slow it is, and I like it's challenge. If anyone here plays paintball, you've probably heard of stock-class play. I am a SC player, and the Win reminds me very much of it and that is why I like it.
BUT... and it's a big but. Why is the Winchester so weak at range?
It isn't a shotgun, it doesn't shoot a spray, but I've noticed that at about 10 feet I can hit someone in the chest for 100, at 50 feet it is about AK power with 2 shots to the chest, at 100 feet I'm lucky to get a kill if I don't headshot because it does usually under 15 damage, 150 feet does 1-2 damage, and beyond that it is ineffective. I've literally sat on an oblivious player, and put 10 in his chest from about 200 feet. I was aiming dead center, and waited a good 2 seconds between shots to let the crosshair settle, and when he finally noticed me and killed me I had 0 hits on him. I didn't even get the crosshair flash for when a shot hits target, so it couldn't have been bad reg.
Shooting from ledge to center building in Powerplant I lose to people with SMGs and pistols.
My Deagle has better power at extended range than the Winchester does.
In my experience Winchester model 1894 lever action rifles shoots a .30-30 which is a very popular deer hunting cartrige effective up to 200 yards.
The thing about it that really floors me, is that under the BlackMarket crate the Win is listed as the best possible weapon to be won, over the Thomson. If it is so much better than the Tommy, then why does the range epic fail?
Nothing about it should be nerfed, the gun itself is slow and relatively inaccurate compared to several assault rifles featured in the game. If anything it should have more power at range than many other guns such as the M-16, SCAR-L, M4, QBZ, etc.
I hope beyond hope that Z8 will make this gun more effective, because I hate to have spent hours playing, thousands of GP, and my personal income to have gotten a gun worthy of only showing off how many hours, thousands of GP, and income I've spent getting it.
BUT... and it's a big but. Why is the Winchester so weak at range?
It isn't a shotgun, it doesn't shoot a spray, but I've noticed that at about 10 feet I can hit someone in the chest for 100, at 50 feet it is about AK power with 2 shots to the chest, at 100 feet I'm lucky to get a kill if I don't headshot because it does usually under 15 damage, 150 feet does 1-2 damage, and beyond that it is ineffective. I've literally sat on an oblivious player, and put 10 in his chest from about 200 feet. I was aiming dead center, and waited a good 2 seconds between shots to let the crosshair settle, and when he finally noticed me and killed me I had 0 hits on him. I didn't even get the crosshair flash for when a shot hits target, so it couldn't have been bad reg.
Shooting from ledge to center building in Powerplant I lose to people with SMGs and pistols.
My Deagle has better power at extended range than the Winchester does.
In my experience Winchester model 1894 lever action rifles shoots a .30-30 which is a very popular deer hunting cartrige effective up to 200 yards.
The thing about it that really floors me, is that under the BlackMarket crate the Win is listed as the best possible weapon to be won, over the Thomson. If it is so much better than the Tommy, then why does the range epic fail?
Nothing about it should be nerfed, the gun itself is slow and relatively inaccurate compared to several assault rifles featured in the game. If anything it should have more power at range than many other guns such as the M-16, SCAR-L, M4, QBZ, etc.
I hope beyond hope that Z8 will make this gun more effective, because I hate to have spent hours playing, thousands of GP, and my personal income to have gotten a gun worthy of only showing off how many hours, thousands of GP, and income I've spent getting it.
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You can.i'd be suprised if you can do 100 in the chest from 10 feet seeing that the power is 70ish
The Winchester is kind of a joke. It's not supposed to be good. I think that if it were able to kill in one hit at long range it would be OP as well. There's a reason that sniper rifles don't have crosshairs. -
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[MOD]D34d3y3 wrote: »You can.
The Winchester is kind of a joke. It's not supposed to be good. I think that if it were able to kill in one hit at long range it would be OP as well. There's a reason that sniper rifles don't have crosshairs.
That's not my point. It can range deplete, but not as radically as it does. It is worse than SMGs and even pistols.
In the game it loses like 1% of damage per foot of range past 10 feet.
Comparatively, a Desert Eagle loses about .4%. At the same range I use the Win and get 5 damage in the chest, I can do 25 or more with the Deagle.
Also, snipers don't have crosshairs because the gun has no sights. It has a scope you can use. If all weapons allowed you to use iron sights, there would ne no crosshairs at all.
The Z8 developers made the Win handle like a shotty, which it definitely isn't.
As for being a joke weapon, make it something seasonal like the voodoo dolls... don't make it the "Best" item in the crate...
I made a video about the Winchester.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks7u99sVeJ0
At one point I look at the scores and I am like 12-10, I think I ended the round about 14-10.
My average end-game average is a high 2.*** or even a 3.***, and I play by single-tapping my AK and only spraying/bursting at close range.
I commonly use my pistols only, so I have great accuracy.
Not changing the way I aim or move, I went down to about a 1.3 or even average.
I am not going to play Fortress and Egypt all day with the Win, I want to be able to use it effectively, not mockingly. I want to use it in Mexico, Powerplant, Monaco, and I want to be able to play elimination and S&D seriously with it.
It has awesome potential, but the bullet seems to turn from a .30-30 to a .22 at about 75 feet...
It makes absolutely no sense why, either. I don't see how the programmers thought it was a good idea to introduce a very difficult to use weapon, and totally nerf the range damage.
Was somebody just like, lets make some gamers mad by making a lousy gun a high ranking prise? -
Why it can't long range? Cos it already abuses high ping and FPS lag at close range [bullet registration system issue?]. At long it would just be ridiculous.
No, people with high ping and low FPS naturally get abused by peop-le with high FPS and low ping, the weapon has nothing to do with it.
Registration is registration, it doesn't matter which gun you use.
As is the Win handles like a shotgun, but it is a rifle, I reiterate.
Z8 should change this at the next update. If they don't, I think it is a huge oversight. -
The Winnie is a trophy gun. The crate is really a thompson crate..No other crate has 2 perm weapons in it. So the Winchester is just a trophy.
I experimented by shooting it at a wall. At a certain range you just dont hit it anymore. Nothing! Try it and you will at least get an idea of the range that must be used.
Some guys I play with will do a winnie only map at times...Usually a FFA and it's a blast!
But be happy with it for what it is....It aint a Kriss!
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I just won a winchester yesterday...FINALLY! I can tell by looking at it that it's not a model 1894 and looks more like a model 1873 which is a .44 not a 30-30. The gun does have good damage at close range but distance is its enemy. The ROF seems to be right so i am happy with it.
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CorpseKill3r wrote: »I just won a winchester yesterday...FINALLY! I can tell by looking at it that it's not a model 1894 and looks more like a model 1873 which is a .44 not a 30-30. The gun does have good damage at close range but distance is its enemy. The ROF seems to be right so i am happy with it.
Even so, .44 should still travel beyond 150 feet and it should retain a lot of it's energy.
If a Desert Eagle .50 PISTOL can be effective against enemies from the bridge into spawn in Mexico, so should ANY RIFLE! No matter if it is a 5.56, 7.62, 8mm, .408, .44, .30-30, .30-06, .50BMG, 6.8mm, 5.7mm, or whatever else have you (the obvious exception being .22, as in "please don't shoot me again, that stings!" .22...).
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oh wellz... the cowboys and outlaws pwned with it back in the day... but give an mp5 to a cowboy and Jesse James gets turned to stinky cheese lol 
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