Whats honor got to do with it anyway?
Well Z8 painted a M4a1 xmas colors and all hell broke loose. (exagerated)
So please take this with a grain of salt:
Honor......Whats the purpose?
It doesnt make your aim any better and it doesnt degrade your GP earning potential. It doesnt make your experience climb nor does anyone care. So Why have it? I for one used to never quit a game in the middle because my precious honor was in jeapordy. But as time marched on I noticed that it had no bearing on anything. So now if I see a lop sided match of 3 on 8 I dutifully quit game and switch sides to balance the fight. And for this I'm not honorable? Bull!
That said I like the concept. Honor! yeah Honor! With Hackers, Accusers, glitchers and buggers a little honor sounds good. Why not use it. Let it lead the way. Make it a driving force in the game.
Imagine servers for only the honorable, weapons that are only unlocked for the heros. And a clan thats has a collective honor that actually ranks them number 1. Not some bipolar clan that has an alter ego clan that they use it to farm off of. alter egos that are the patsy so they can be the envy of all crossfire. what a load of crap it is eh?
Ok so whats the alternative?
Honor! make it the holy grail of all things crossfire. Place part of the power on the players. Give them the environment and the ability to grow or degrade the reputation of a player or clan.
theoretical senario:
Honor rankings of -50 to +100
All players start at 0
All players have one or more votes per week.
rule 1 votes regenerate once a week.
rule 2 votes can be for a negative or a positive
rule 3 you can not vote for a members of your own clan
rule 4 you can not vote for the same person more than 2 times monthly.
rule 5 get caught farming votes that IP is suspended for a week and -25 points assesed.
Blah, Blah, Blah,
Smiley to corporal 1 vote a week
Sargeant to Master Sargeant 2 votes a week
Leutenant to Captain 3 votes a week
Major to Colonel 4 votes a week
Generals 5 votes a week
Perks?
Gifted items weekly, monthly, quarterly, etc.
Clans are ranked by collective honor points of members.
Weapons usable by only players of certain honor levels.
special avatars for the diffrent levels of honor.
Blah Blah Blah
Punishments?
disbanding of any clan that falls below a certain level.
dingy colored avatars for players of ill repute.
actual degradation of performance.
Loss of ranks.
loss of voting priveledges.
Blah Blah Blah
Make the GM's active in rewarding and mediating honor courts. give them the power to heal or harm the honor of a person based on their percieved behaviour.
Heck your Z8 Games, you'll probably just find a way for the players to buy a higher honor. I like capatilism. It's what drives us all to achieve a greater state.
What say you? any better ideas?
Ok see what happens when I can't play due to server outages!
Psypher
So please take this with a grain of salt:
Honor......Whats the purpose?
It doesnt make your aim any better and it doesnt degrade your GP earning potential. It doesnt make your experience climb nor does anyone care. So Why have it? I for one used to never quit a game in the middle because my precious honor was in jeapordy. But as time marched on I noticed that it had no bearing on anything. So now if I see a lop sided match of 3 on 8 I dutifully quit game and switch sides to balance the fight. And for this I'm not honorable? Bull!
That said I like the concept. Honor! yeah Honor! With Hackers, Accusers, glitchers and buggers a little honor sounds good. Why not use it. Let it lead the way. Make it a driving force in the game.
Imagine servers for only the honorable, weapons that are only unlocked for the heros. And a clan thats has a collective honor that actually ranks them number 1. Not some bipolar clan that has an alter ego clan that they use it to farm off of. alter egos that are the patsy so they can be the envy of all crossfire. what a load of crap it is eh?
Ok so whats the alternative?
Honor! make it the holy grail of all things crossfire. Place part of the power on the players. Give them the environment and the ability to grow or degrade the reputation of a player or clan.
theoretical senario:
Honor rankings of -50 to +100
All players start at 0
All players have one or more votes per week.
rule 1 votes regenerate once a week.
rule 2 votes can be for a negative or a positive
rule 3 you can not vote for a members of your own clan
rule 4 you can not vote for the same person more than 2 times monthly.
rule 5 get caught farming votes that IP is suspended for a week and -25 points assesed.
Blah, Blah, Blah,
Smiley to corporal 1 vote a week
Sargeant to Master Sargeant 2 votes a week
Leutenant to Captain 3 votes a week
Major to Colonel 4 votes a week
Generals 5 votes a week
Perks?
Gifted items weekly, monthly, quarterly, etc.
Clans are ranked by collective honor points of members.
Weapons usable by only players of certain honor levels.
special avatars for the diffrent levels of honor.
Blah Blah Blah
Punishments?
disbanding of any clan that falls below a certain level.
dingy colored avatars for players of ill repute.
actual degradation of performance.
Loss of ranks.
loss of voting priveledges.
Blah Blah Blah
Make the GM's active in rewarding and mediating honor courts. give them the power to heal or harm the honor of a person based on their percieved behaviour.
Heck your Z8 Games, you'll probably just find a way for the players to buy a higher honor. I like capatilism. It's what drives us all to achieve a greater state.
What say you? any better ideas?
Ok see what happens when I can't play due to server outages!
Psypher
Comments
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Farming is a fact right now. Cheating Accusing and whinning is rampant check out this clan. look at the KD ratio of the players. What clan does this super farm belong to?
http://clan.z8games.com/clanstat_cf.aspx?guildid=25859 <---Team Cow
Making a Peer preasured community atmosphere can work. I'm not sure crossfire can be changed to meet this model but Ive seen it work.
I just put forth an Idea. Maybe my idea is pie in the sky. But maybe it can inspire somehting more workable. But imagine how a players behaviour would changed if he thought the rudness had a price. And the cost can be assessed by anyone.
But Cmon man "TEAM COW"? How can it get worse than this? -
Farming is a fact right now. Cheating Accusing and whinning is rampant check out this clan. look at the KD ratio of the players. What clan does this super farm belong to?
http://clan.z8games.com/clanstat_cf.aspx?guildid=25859 <---Team Cow
Making a Peer preasured community atmosphere can work. I'm not sure crossfire can be changed to meet this model but Ive seen it work.
I just put forth an Idea. Maybe my idea is pie in the sky. But maybe it can inspire somehting more workable. But imagine how a players behaviour would changed if he thought the rudness had a price. And the cost can be assessed by anyone.
But Cmon man "TEAM COW"? How can it get worse than this?
So as to not start a flame war, I wont express my opinion about this. Lets just say I am against farming. -
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Yes, as well as random bs CF crashes instead of the old "Black Screen". I would, instead of black screen, get a "oops, CFC Application is not Responding!" or just randomly, amidst a game, I'd get something like, "Nope, you are too skilled, i am going to close CF now." when i do a really skilled shot or even just a random 1 click.
*Disconnected due to incorrect player info.* -
when you leave games is a desertion, the more desertions the worse your honor, will be i also think win/loss is a factor too.
I don`t think that win/loss can be a factor , cause the honor represent what you do but not what the team you are in , do . If it`s the case Z8 should change this aspect." if the team fails it`s not your fault ":) -
Sure a complete new system would need to start fresh..But he logistics of something like this would be mind blowing. I'm not sure it could be done.
Makes you wonder exactly was the purpose of the honor thing was for to begin with anyway.
And Honor is measured by how many times you desert a game in the middle. Whether due to game crash or voluntary, your honor takes a hit. (Vote Kiks have no bearing)
It effects nothing and has zero meaning right now. Even veteran players know not to look at it for any meaningful indications.
Psypher -
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if a flamewar you want, go somewhere else
ignore tool mode: [ON] OFF
no no no. i don´t want a flamewar, neither do i want a farmwar.
something tells me i d be second winner in that one
no were all cool! btw can you believe i received a warning last time
when i asked how it would matter what gun you use when killing the afk guy?
wow pretty strict rules dont you think? -
i would have given you another one right now, sadly they picked the wrong modno no no. i don´t want a flamewar, neither do i want a farmwar.
something tells me i d be second winner in that one
no were all cool! btw can you believe i received a warning last time
when i asked how it would matter what gun you use when killing the afk guy?
wow pretty strict rules dont you think? -
i would have given you another one right now, sadly they picked the wrong mod
but i didn´t do anything bad did i? we are just talking right? that should be ok on a forum.
we have different points of view and discuss about it. thats a good thing to do on a forum! -
It's a good idea, and I love the idea of honor actually meaning something, but it would fall prey to the problems that already face CF. Farmers would farm honor, good players would get accused of hacking and lose honor, etc. A hacker might farm up good honor and point to it saying "See, my honor is perfect, I couldn't possibly be hacking!"
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there you go[MOD]D34d3y3 wrote: »It's a good idea, and I love the idea of honor actually meaning something, but it would fall prey to the problems that already face CF. Farmers would farm honor, good players would get accused of hacking and lose honor, etc. A hacker might farm up good honor and point to it saying "See, my honor is perfect, I couldn't possibly be hacking!"
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[MOD]D34d3y3 wrote: »It's a good idea, and I love the idea of honor actually meaning something, but it would fall prey to the problems that already face CF. Farmers would farm honor, good players would get accused of hacking and lose honor, etc. A hacker might farm up good honor and point to it saying "See, my honor is perfect, I couldn't possibly be hacking!"
see thats a thing i don´t understand. there are so many good ideas brought up, but in every post about those ideas there will be the "but-the-farmers-make-this-impossible-thought"... question is: do the farmers really spend that much $ on this game, so you guys
can´t cut the farming off? its really sad. -
i dont get the jealousy i dont get how other ppl's lives bother someone, o wait i just said it, jealousysee thats a thing i don´t understand. there are so many good ideas brought up, but in every post about those ideas there will be the "but-the-farmers-make-this-impossible-thought"... question is: do the farmers really spend that much $ on this game, so you guys
can´t cut the farming off? its really sad. -
i dont get the jealousy i dont get how other ppl's lives bother someone, o wait i just said it, jealousy
hm no its not jealousy, it is the fact that farming in general seems to hold back the progression of this game. i am not jealous of a guys 230 kdr. if we are being honest here:
playing computergames especially shooter-games is a waste of time. ok it is fun, of course, but you get what i mean right? now farming takes away that whole meaning of a ranking list
and the effort of being good at this game.. -
see, thats what im saying... its other ppl's life if they wana spend it like that leave them, or keep your jealousy for yourselfhm no its not jealousy, it is the fact that farming in general seems to hold back the progression of this game. i am not jealous of a guys 230 kdr. if we are being honest here:
playing computergames especially shooter-games is a waste of time. ok it is fun, of course, but you get what i mean right? now farming takes away that whole meaning of a ranking list
and the effort of being good at this game.. -
see, thats what im saying... its other ppl's life if they wana spend it like that leave them, or keep your jealousy for yourself
you don´t really understand. ok, again: personally, if id wouldn´t affect the progression of this game, i d have no problem at all. hell, just kill off that poor afk over and over and over again. BUT this whole farming-thing has come to a point where it hinders really interesting ideas from being realized. and thats sad.
a thing you can get jealous of is skill for example.
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