Anti-Hack Tool Idea (not x-trap flame)

Why not incorporate something similar to (i believe punkbuster's) screenshotting another player's screen. So when you think someone is hacking. You can screenshot but instead of your screen it takes one for them and saves it on your comp.

Don't know if I took the time to explain it, but it might keep some people from QQIng so much and give players another measure against people who actually are chamming.

Downsides to this: umm well The screenshot could be altered I guess so i'm not sure how you'd be able to set this up properly.

Suggestions/Comments?
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  • would be a good idea but would take agesss to implement and also if it showed the screen IG then it could cause annoyance if you accidentally pressed prt scr.
  • SexyAwen wrote: »
    Why not incorporate something similar to (i believe punkbuster's) screenshotting another player's screen. So when you think someone is hacking. You can screenshot but instead of your screen it takes one for them and saves it on your comp.

    Don't know if I took the time to explain it, but it might keep some people from QQIng so much and give players another measure against people who actually are chamming.

    Downsides to this: umm well The screenshot could be altered I guess so i'm not sure how you'd be able to set this up properly.

    Suggestions/Comments?

    another downside is that you have to manually screenshot someone and you cant screenshot 4 minutes afterwards
  • Thinks its a fantastic idea since you can say kick the hacker look at his screen.
  • I wouldn't have it show ingame. Just like a normal screenshot but you pick the player. Yes the time to manually do it would be irritating, but do it after you die, or when you respawn.

    its just an idea for something that seems like a useful tool. I hope a gm takes a look into this.

    As far as implementation, all things take time to implement. It depends on the priority level they set this too among other things such as innate feasibility etc.
  • i like this idea too. i have my suggestion like instead of kicking we should have like a Report button so gms would know there is a hacker in a room. they can come in and spectate the games. i believe is better than save screenshot, save replays because sometimes these hackers will bug the room and crash the whole game and its impossible to save reply for proof.
  • Well taking the report button into consideration. You could click report//choose player//it sends to GM. This would take a screenshot of that players screen from his perspective showing chams//walls//esp perhaps even teh VIP menu if it happens to be up at that time and send it in.

    Downsides to this: they would probably need a new server for this just to hold all the report screenshots and would have to hire one or two more MOD's people to run through a buttload of screenshots every day.

    I like this idea though and would like to see a GM response to it, so i'll keep responding and bumping if I need to :D
  • they wouldn't dare to use punkbuster cuz it's the best! it's been less then 48 hours since the patch released every room is full of new accounts with aimbots. I've just renewed my zp items but I am not even able to play cuz I totally freaked out...if they ban the IP instead of accounts there weren't any hacks around at all... or if they wouldn't release the new accounts to alpha beta charlie delta till they get SFC or Master Sergeant that would help too. They become staff sergeant less then a day till some1 ban them. Getting rid of hacks so easy and there are multiple ways to do it IF U REALLY WANNA DO IT. it's been 6-7 months now still no Euro Server as well.. I bet some GM will write they are working on both and ask for patience maybe not me but my grandson's might play in euro server without hacking issue...
  • mavericktr wrote: »
    ...if they ban the IP instead of accounts there weren't any hacks around at all...

    Agreed I can do this on Messageboards & websites. I know there is a log of ip addresses. This would be a great idea. Ban the IP!
  • It would be alright by theory, but it's not exactly practical except when reporting. In game this would be an absolute nuisance. Furthermore, it has to be impromptu to really show anything and won't reveal much. A replay and a video monitoring them is probably more effective. As for IP bans, X Trap already does this AND it tracks the IP changes as well, and thus banning when they change IPs. Pretty cool huh?
  • i hope that the cheater's will banned

    die all cheater's
  • I don't see any useful way in banning with replay file...I don't know about you but I just want to play a safe game.
    here is your steps :
    * save replay
    * rename it to similar hack.er name
    * get in game pictureS !
    * upload your replay
    * PM saidin and give him the link
    * wait for saidin till the hacker get banned

    I really don't have patience doing these steps all over again and again, as of today I've seen maybe over 100 aimbotters which one should I report ? this is getting somewhere u don't even play...just wasting time on reports...lose of time

    in the other hand : they are even getting scar light or even master sergeant level 'till get banned and when they got banned they just getting another account in few seconds by hitting register button and keeping the game annoying and unplayable. So... What happened to your effort ? u just wasted 5-10 mins of your daily gameplay time just to report one hacker.

    the system simply not good enough and working on hackers side, not ours isn't that obvious ?
  • HHV18Z wrote: »
    It would be alright by theory, but it's not exactly practical except when reporting. In game this would be an absolute nuisance. Furthermore, it has to be impromptu to really show anything and won't reveal much. A replay and a video monitoring them is probably more effective. As for IP bans, X Trap already does this AND it tracks the IP changes as well, and thus banning when they change IPs. Pretty cool huh?

    just google how u by-pass X trap and see results for yourself it's a child's play so many ppl done that on knight online and now keep doing on cf
  • I'm not suggesting a switch to punkbuster merely an additional tool for the GM's and Players to use. By taking a screenshot of another player's screen its as if they pushed prntscreen on their comp and sent it to you. These would be stored on some server that the GM's would have to hire some loyal forumers (probably), through various small zp incentives and such, to sift through.

    If someone is chamming or walling and he presses prntscrn, the screenshot he captures shows the cham chars, wireframes, walls, fullbright, w/e he's got on related to character modifications and such. By implementing this, we'll be able to take a screenshot of his screen thereby giving the MOD's a screenshot just as if the hacker took one while his hacks were on.

    ^^Or something along these lines. Any response from a GM on feasibility?
  • Active desktopping could be possible if that is what you mean, but not exactly safe. Furthermore a lot of hacks aren't visible and are used by shortcut keys, and if this happens immediately in game this will cause an epic lagfest.
  • Well aimbots, oneshot kill etc wouldn't be. But Chams or walls are, which tend to be the public ones. Its just an idea. Again, I'd like some input from a GM on feasibility.

    As far as lag goes....ya I can see that happening unless the dev's have some way to tweak what i'm trying to say. I'm not entirely sure what I'm describing myself. I have this thought in my head that just won't go down on paper.
  • How about: If you have to download something that will PREVENT (not stop) you from injecting these hacks. The thing would be downloaded when you install CF, and If you do not use it you will be disallowed to play.
  • EnabLedD wrote: »
    How about: If you have to download something that will PREVENT (not stop) you from injecting these hacks. The thing would be downloaded when you install CF, and If you do not use it you will be disallowed to play.

    I believe the intention with any anti-hack provided be it GG, X-Trap (which i personally believe is GG revamped :P), punkbuster, warden, etc. Nothing will stop hacks ever they only limit to a degree. Every program has VIP's that get through even if its "perfect" at stopping public hacks. This is merely an idea for a tool that could help catch hackers that get through.
  • i have another idea that could stop hackers. what if they add some kind of program into game that only crossfire

    For example. you cant run crossfire unless alll windows are close No itune, no Instant messenger, no web browse. completely nothing but crossfire. if they try to open a hack/program/web browser the game will crash on them.

    this is similar to Soilder Front hack proof method. Soilder Front hack method is that when you Alt+tab or anything that will opens up another window the game will shut down.

    Soilder Front isnt very fun but theres like no hackers in that game.
  • they could take the hacks and program crossfire to use it against them like a chammer would see nothing because all players turn invisible when they look thru a wall. aimbots is programed for the close target, make it the aimbotter, sped hackers run so fast that they cant control it and run right off the map.
    after a while the hackers will stop using the hacks if the have a program that allows them to use the hacks but changes the way its done making them useless. but vip might be unhappy with that since it would cut their business down. it would also make alot of player play worse than they regularly do. upside alot of players me included will be happy, cause now we can own some of those hackers since they would have to play on the same level field
  • Meh feasibility of turning someone's hack back on themselves just seems to not be there as each hack is different. Still like my screenshot another players screen from their view.

    ^^
  • The problem with not allowing windows results in hacks becoming background programs that don't appear as windows. This isn't hard to do.
  • EnabLedD wrote: »
    How about: If you have to download something that will PREVENT (not stop) you from injecting these hacks. The thing would be downloaded when you install CF, and If you do not use it you will be disallowed to play.

    Problem is though that is impossible to do. X Trap tries to do this, and so do most anti hacks but you can still bypass them. In fact come to think of it why bother with anti hack because it always is bypassed eventually.
  • and there should be opinion to blow up that computer if u see some1 cheating.
  • by far taking a "screenshot" from the hacker's clients point of view is the best option
    to detect hacks. Most hacks (Chams, ESP, Walls) are completly visible. Aimbot has
    weird twitches that are easy to recognize... so basicly, with the screenshot feature
    implemented, one is able to easily send a full featured report that shows without a
    doubt if someone chams or not.

    This kind of anti hack has been successfuly used in many games, and tbh, in the games
    that it is implemented in, chammers are usually dealt with quickly.

    ~Wrapper~
  • its too easy to bypass the x trap theres things all over google on it and there are things called vip hack that are never patched i think z8 are working with that site mp what ever it is cze theres allways new vids on youtube of it and they never shut down there site or antythink its all illegal stuff yet no 1 does anythink about it. and come on i reckon every 1 has used a hack once even adigo has used hack once now no 1 wants a hack cze it aint free they just farm that is what is causing lag cze of so many accs like every 1 from prodigy farms thats like loads of accs from there seriously sort this damn issue out z8games i admit suba wasnt that good atleast i could get sp which is now zp i cant buy ur zp becaus you dnt accept my money cze its pounds ur a racist game company you should get a life i have to earn all my zp cze of u. now get that **** site shutdown and do ur job properly jesus what are u sat on ur bum all day eating ur cake
  • That wouldn't work. Only because some clans such as mine use Ventrilo. And without ventrilo We wouldn't scrim/ practice
  • kumpow wrote: »
    i have another idea that could stop hackers. what if they add some kind of program into game that only crossfire

    For example. you cant run crossfire unless alll windows are close No itune, no Instant messenger, no web browse. completely nothing but crossfire. if they try to open a hack/program/web browser the game will crash on them.

    this is similar to Soilder Front hack proof method. Soilder Front hack method is that when you Alt+tab or anything that will opens up another window the game will shut down.

    Soilder Front isnt very fun but theres like no hackers in that game.

    It would close drivers, cause problems, the S.O could become instable.
    No.