Alternatives to BHop
Well I have voiced my opinions about bhopping before, and very few people agree with me, thats fine.
But I don't think bhopping is the proper way to balance GM. By now too many BL players are set in there ways, so nothing I do is going to change diddily, but here are some ideas to keep GM balanced without glitches.
1. Hold breath- Hold right click to stop your charector from breathing, at the cost of 1 hp per second. 10 seconds for 10 health. A lot can happen in 10 seconds, and 10 hp isn't a lot to lose if you can make the game winning move.
2. Sound nuetralizer- A special grenade that doesn't do damage, but deafens the GR players for 10 or so seconds, 1 ammo per person. Potential ZP product, or just standard issue, whatever I don't care
3- Invis overdrive- A secondary weapon that makes you invisible even while moving, for 5 seconds. But the 2 seconds after that you are 50% more visible. Limited ammo for example 1-3 only.
Black list players all FREAK out when bhopping is reffered to as a glitch, but too bad, it's a glitch.
But I don't think bhopping is the proper way to balance GM. By now too many BL players are set in there ways, so nothing I do is going to change diddily, but here are some ideas to keep GM balanced without glitches.
1. Hold breath- Hold right click to stop your charector from breathing, at the cost of 1 hp per second. 10 seconds for 10 health. A lot can happen in 10 seconds, and 10 hp isn't a lot to lose if you can make the game winning move.
2. Sound nuetralizer- A special grenade that doesn't do damage, but deafens the GR players for 10 or so seconds, 1 ammo per person. Potential ZP product, or just standard issue, whatever I don't care
3- Invis overdrive- A secondary weapon that makes you invisible even while moving, for 5 seconds. But the 2 seconds after that you are 50% more visible. Limited ammo for example 1-3 only.
Black list players all FREAK out when bhopping is reffered to as a glitch, but too bad, it's a glitch.
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KickOfElves wrote: »Well I have voiced my opinions about bhopping before, and very few people agree with me, thats fine.
But I don't think bhopping is the proper way to balance GM. By now too many BL players are set in there ways, so nothing I do is going to change diddily, but here are some ideas to keep GM balanced without glitches.
1. Hold breath- Hold right click to stop your charector from breathing, at the cost of 1 hp per second. 10 seconds for 10 health. A lot can happen in 10 seconds, and 10 hp isn't a lot to lose if you can make the game winning move.
2. Sound nuetralizer- A special grenade that doesn't do damage, but deafens the GR players for 10 or so seconds, 1 ammo per person. Potential ZP product, or just standard issue, whatever I don't care
3- Invis overdrive- A secondary weapon that makes you invisible even while moving, for 5 seconds. But the 2 seconds after that you are 50% more visible. Limited ammo for example 1-3 only.
Ok, let the flame fest begin.
All really bad ideas imo. 
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KickOfElves wrote: »Well I have voiced my opinions about bhopping before, and very few people agree with me, thats fine.
But I don't think bhopping is the proper way to balance GM. By now too many BL players are set in there ways, so nothing I do is going to change diddily, but here are some ideas to keep GM balanced without glitches.
1. Hold breath- Hold right click to stop your charector from breathing, at the cost of 1 hp per second. 10 seconds for 10 health. A lot can happen in 10 seconds, and 10 hp isn't a lot to lose if you can make the game winning move.
2. Sound nuetralizer- A special grenade that doesn't do damage, but deafens the GR players for 10 or so seconds, 1 ammo per person. Potential ZP product, or just standard issue, whatever I don't care
3- Invis overdrive- A secondary weapon that makes you invisible even while moving, for 5 seconds. But the 2 seconds after that you are 50% more visible. Limited ammo for example 1-3 only.
Ok, let the flame fest begin.
These are actually one of the few realistic suggestions for Ghost. A+
@The holding breath, it should be around 5 HP/sec. -
KickOfElves wrote: »Well I have voiced my opinions about bhopping before, and very few people agree with me, thats fine.
But I don't think bhopping is the proper way to balance GM. By now too many BL players are set in there ways, so nothing I do is going to change diddily, but here are some ideas to keep GM balanced without glitches.
1. Hold breath- Hold right click to stop your charector from breathing, at the cost of 1 hp per second. 10 seconds for 10 health. A lot can happen in 10 seconds, and 10 hp isn't a lot to lose if you can make the game winning move.
2. Sound nuetralizer- A special grenade that doesn't do damage, but deafens the GR players for 10 or so seconds, 1 ammo per person. Potential ZP product, or just standard issue, whatever I don't care
3- Invis overdrive- A secondary weapon that makes you invisible even while moving, for 5 seconds. But the 2 seconds after that you are 50% more visible. Limited ammo for example 1-3 only.
Black list players all FREAK out when bhopping is reffered to as a glitch, but too bad, it's a glitch.
I really like the first idea but the others seem a little unfair. Anyways its nice to see good and well thought out ideas. -
Thank you very much for your feed back.
I will be honest, I didn't put much thought into it, and I am shur that none of them are balanced. But with a little testing anyone of them could be tweaked to a point of fairness for both Bl and GR.
As for my second 2 ideas not being fair, keep in mind, these are a REPLACEMENT for bhopping, as in bhopping REMOVED from the game. Thank you again, keep it coming. -
KickOfElves wrote: »Black list players all FREAK out when bhopping is reffered to as a glitch, but too bad, it's a glitch.
are you stupid? do you report all bhoppers? no wonder whi saidin has so much work to do and less cheaters are banned.. your fault? bunnyhop is NOT glitch. -
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are you stupid? do you report all bhoppers? no wonder whi saidin has so much work to do and less cheaters are banned.. your fault? bunnyhop is NOT glitch.
No I don't report bhoppers. In fact I've never reported anyone. My theory is hackers will tire of being nubs and go find another game to be a nub at before long. However becuase people who use glitches in this game get a pat on the back, they will never go away without Z8 removing this glitch.
To blame me for the lack of cheaters getting banned is absolutely absurd. Chill out kid.
"BL players all FREAK out when you call bhop a glitch." Thanks for proving my point.
Bunny hopping IS a glitch, I am not debating this. To quote a freind and clan mate who said it best
"I can not tell you how much I despise this glitch. Bunny-hopping is a glitch, yes a glitch, that allows you to hop unseen through levels when done correctly. You can find a guide specifically for this here. The ability to bunny-hop occurs because the server can not process a lateral movement as a vertical movement very well at all. When you b-hop, you cancel out the magnitudes of your movement, making the server think you have not moved at all. For instance, if you ran backwards as far as you ran forwards, you end up right back where you are. Exert those forces at the same time and you get a resultant force of 0. That is what the server sees and registers this as a non-movement and you do not appear in the game. The way the server interprets movements, however, it processes one movement before the other and you can actually move with this resultant force of 0. Therefore, when b-hopping, you move unseen. This is very hard to fix and therefore hasn't been."Rammajamma wrote: »i think thats pretty bad because you wil go OUCH OWW NOOOOOOOEEEE
and they will still find you lol
Actually saying ouch is a form of exhaling. Therefore if you were holding your breath properly it is impossible to say things like "NOOOOOOEEE". =p
That is actually a pretty fair point. When I designed them I was thinking more in terms of strategy. And thinking strategically is, to me, very fun. Of course I can't speak for everyone.Yes, very. -.- Bhop just brings a lot of fun into being a ghost... these ideas just don't seem nearly as fun. -
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[MOD]Delaco wrote: »oooh, sometimes being a mod isnt fun when you want to have a non flamely argument
however, i can still land a low blow!
Its not a glitch, its a feature!
According to webstermarrian, its BOTH! yay!
And besides, arguements are way funner if the basis for your disagreement is- YO MOMMA SO FAT! -
SideEff3cts wrote: »Oh, how bout, Once the round starts GR instantly wins?
Sounds like what you want.
BH is a feature. Stop the QQ.
Ok, well, that was mildy humorous, but if that is at all what I wanted why would I offer alternatives to bhopping?
I have stated several times that I desire for GM to be as balanced as possible. I have also expressed that it is my belief that bhopping is not the appropriate way to go about that.
If you think bhop is good, then kudos. I respect your opinion, I am just expressing mine. No need to flame.
And again I point out people freak out when you call bhop a glitch, which it is. AND a feature too."Hold breath" is not that bad.
But with breath and no bunnyhop BL would have no chance of winning.
It will be like snd but only GR have guns.
I am well aware of this, which is why I wouldn't dream of asking for bhop to be removed with offering a fair substitute. In fact I beleive I offered three. I guess I am just an overacheiver. -
i suppose that would be fair now that we have xtrap, and much more hakkers.KickOfElves wrote: »Well I have voiced my opinions about bhopping before, and very few people agree with me, thats fine.
But I don't think bhopping is the proper way to balance GM. By now too many BL players are set in there ways, so nothing I do is going to change diddily, but here are some ideas to keep GM balanced without glitches.
1. Hold breath- Hold right click to stop your charector from breathing, at the cost of 1 hp per second. 10 seconds for 10 health. A lot can happen in 10 seconds, and 10 hp isn't a lot to lose if you can make the game winning move.
2. Sound nuetralizer- A special grenade that doesn't do damage, but deafens the GR players for 10 or so seconds, 1 ammo per person. Potential ZP product, or just standard issue, whatever I don't care
3- Invis overdrive- A secondary weapon that makes you invisible even while moving, for 5 seconds. But the 2 seconds after that you are 50% more visible. Limited ammo for example 1-3 only.
Black list players all FREAK out when bhopping is reffered to as a glitch, but too bad, it's a glitch. -
Seriously.. GR has got weapons, sound and ocasionally a hacker on their team.
Ghosts have knife, invisibility and Bunnyhop. seems enough to me.
Oh, and you really look pro when you can bunnyhop good. It's more difficult than holding your mouse button lol. -
If GR needs an occasional hacker on their team to keep things balanced....Seriously.. GR has got weapons, sound and ocasionally a hacker on their team.
The balance as it stands is not currently too out of wack. But it could be better, much better. Hence this thread. -
KickOfElves wrote: »If GR needs an occasional hacker on their team to keep things balanced....
The balance as it stands is not currently too out of wack. But it could be better, much better. Hence this thread.
They don't need it. But it's there sometimes lol
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I think that GM is fair if you're team arent too stupid. The problem is that there arent too many gm pro's and a lot are noobs on BL,that hold down left click while just rushing people all the time,without camping or planting & killing defuser. Thats why the GR team wins more,but if ye have ever seen a GM pro clan ,they always win on BL because theyre just so awesome.
I have no problem with ghost mode at all,and the people here crying please get some skills. -
I think that GM is fair if you're team arent too stupid. The problem is that there arent too many gm pro's and a lot are noobs on BL,that hold down left click while just rushing people all the time,without camping or planting & killing defuser. Thats why the GR team wins more,but if ye have ever seen a GM pro clan ,they always win on BL because theyre just so awesome.
I have no problem with ghost mode at all,and the people here crying please get some skills.
tl:dr.
To sum up- Pros defeat noobs, and anyone who doesn't beleive in the status quo is a talentless crybaby.
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