Why complain about VIPs?
I have seen quite some people complaining about how z8 and smilegate love money so they make more vips.
Although its true that if you ask any gamer to spend 100 dollars on 1 single weapon in a game, they would say hell no. But its cf so its a different story.
Vips actually save you money, you are guaranteed to get the weapons. Have you seen how much some people spent on zp crates and never won? Ex: I spent 300k zp last month, didnt win anything in the bm, had 10k zp left bought 5 tickets and won the jack hammer gold.
So Vips are good things ( not mentioning all the bonus effects that you get, do bm zp guns have these effects??) they are ones of the very few "good" things about this game. I cannot wait untill more vips are released. If you are going to complain how the devs love money, complain about how they keep rolling out new contents for zp BM.
Although its true that if you ask any gamer to spend 100 dollars on 1 single weapon in a game, they would say hell no. But its cf so its a different story.
Vips actually save you money, you are guaranteed to get the weapons. Have you seen how much some people spent on zp crates and never won? Ex: I spent 300k zp last month, didnt win anything in the bm, had 10k zp left bought 5 tickets and won the jack hammer gold.
So Vips are good things ( not mentioning all the bonus effects that you get, do bm zp guns have these effects??) they are ones of the very few "good" things about this game. I cannot wait untill more vips are released. If you are going to complain how the devs love money, complain about how they keep rolling out new contents for zp BM.
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I believe that there are 2 kinds of ppl who complain about VIPs :
1- They complain when they don't have VIPs & they can't/don't want to get one and trust me if they had some money they will buy it.
2- Or the " competitive players " who can't kill a VIP user... LOL.
So, don't give a F. about them use your VIPs even though I find them a little bit boring due to their power and in the end you will miss your regular M4, AK, AUG
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As a non-ZP player, VIPs are not really a big deal but quite annoying when you lose without a chance due to certain advantages on VIPs over normal guns like wallbang and melee.
I am just concerned about the future of VIPs. Just don't want the game to be P2W. -
VIPs are surely a great help for those who can purchase them but it is also a big disadvantage for those who don't want to spend any money in this game. I will keep buying because I don't have any luck whatsoever in the BM and it surely saves some money in the long run if you are an unlucky player like me.
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People don't like VIP Weapons because some of them are ridiculously overpowered. They can allow god awful players to perform well just by holding down Mouse 1. I own the M4 and AK VIP, and I would never use the M4 because it is simply too easy, literally unfair.
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Why do many people complain about VIPs?
as oLOGIC wrote before.. they are ridiculously overpowered and therefore unfair when used against players who don't use/have VIPs.
Because of the big advantages a VIP gun comes with I also own the AK Fury (which I only have in my bag and hardly use) but in my opinion I still think that using a VIP gun (especially Iron Beast, Obsidian and Tommy) is wrong and unfair.
Imagine they would have nerfed every VIP gun. Thats the fairest thing the could have done for the entire CF community in my opinion. Because every VIP owner would get his 200 exp + , melee attacks, unexpected luck and other adcantages and the opposite players won't suffer from these ridiculously wallbang and instant headshot effects.
Nowadays it is just too easy with VIP guns and sadly CF is already a P2W game. -
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I have 4 but i never use them.
Why do many people complain about VIPs?
Because the most of them are overpowered.
Just look at M4A1 IronBeast, ObsianBeast.
These guns have full wallbang and very small recoil.
Many of the players use BulletProof, Fox howl & M4 VIP at the same time.
They just want to kick your a$$ & feel like a pro.
That makes it hard to win against these noobs. -
Hussein_505h wrote: »I believe that there are 2 kinds of ppl who complain about VIPs :
1- They complain when they don't have VIPs & they can't/don't want to get one and trust me if they had some money they will buy it.
2- Or the " competitive players " who can't kill a VIP user... LOL.
So, don't give a F. about them use your VIPs even though I find them a little bit boring due to their power and in the end you will miss your regular M4, AK, AUG
Lmao, words from a noob. I have 2 vips IB & thompson, Only use them in ZM or when I play SM. The IB & OB are incredibly overpowered and require little to no skill to use. Fire rate is more than any other gun out today in CF. Can't even run away to cover your own ass because the user can simple spam the box and granted it has full wallbang does the same dmg as if you're standing right in front of it. So there's really no getting away from someone using a VIP. I myself am not a 'competitive' player, just a fellow player that is annoyed by people who can't use any other gun other than VIPs. Mainly ch1nks. -
CallMeRaww wrote: »Lmao, words from a noob. I have 2 vips IB & thompson, Only use them in ZM or when I play SM. The IB & OB are incredibly overpowered and require little to no skill to use. Fire rate is more than any other gun out today in CF. Can't even run away to cover your own ass because the user can simple spam the box and granted it has full wallbang does the same dmg as if you're standing right in front of it. So there's really no getting away from someone using a VIP. I myself am not a 'competitive' player, just a fellow player that is annoyed by people who can't use any other gun other than VIPs. Mainly ch1nks.
as I said in my last point :
" I find them a little bit boring due to their power and in the end you will miss your regular M4, AK, AUG "
My main bag is Regular M4/M4-CC + DE-C, but yea I also use IB when I want a fast win without pushing my self.
Don't make me feel that killing a player who uses IB/OB is damn hard bcuz I ( the noob ) can do that in most of the times and I'm sure you can do that if you just play smart or by using AK for example, so good luck. -
I usually say P2W when the game is very hard to win without buying anything. CF is not on that level for me (yet) but it is progressing on P2W direction very fast over the years.lostinforest wrote: »Really? Not sure what makes you think it's not p2w already... -
Hussein_505h wrote: »as I said in my last point :
" I find them a little bit boring due to their power and in the end you will miss your regular M4, AK, AUG "
My main bag is Regular M4/M4-CC + DE-C, but yea I also use IB when I want a fast win without pushing my self.
Don't make me feel that killing a player who uses IB/OB is damn hard bcuz I ( the noob ) can do that in most of the times and I'm sure you can do that if you just play smart or by using AK for example, so good luck.
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From the beginning, if you were a non zp player, you were already at a disadvantage in this game regardless.ZenithAnnul wrote: »As a non-ZP player, VIPs are not really a big deal but quite annoying when you lose without a chance due to certain advantages on VIPs over normal guns like wallbang and melee.
I am just concerned about the future of VIPs. Just don't want the game to be P2W.
THIS GAME IS P2W, are you serious?Independency wrote: »VIPs are surely a great help for those who can purchase them but it is also a big disadvantage for those who don't want to spend any money in this game. I will keep buying because I don't have any luck whatsoever in the BM and it surely saves some money in the long run if you are an unlucky player like me.
ExactlyI have 4 but i never use them.
Why do many people complain about VIPs?
Because the most of them are overpowered.
Just look at M4A1 IronBeast, ObsianBeast.
These guns have full wallbang and very small recoil.
Many of the players use BulletProof, Fox howl & M4 VIP at the same time.
They just want to kick your a$$ & feel like a pro.
That makes it hard to win against these noobs.
When i had no vips, i thought they were overpowered too in terms of assist aiming or something. But when i use the m4 vip myself, it does have recoil and you do have to aim, you dont just hold left mouse and get kills. Fast reload and the melee are nice but to me not a big deal, i be honest i still forget about the melee option whenever i use my m4 vip lmao.
Also i think its psychological thing , when i use my m4 vip i often do better, i guess in my head i just think: omg iam so badass with my m4 vip, im invincible, i will own every single moda*** in this room. So i think thats why vip users often do good, its not the guns aim for them. -
From the beginning, if you were a non zp player, you were already at a disadvantage in this game regardless.
THIS GAME IS P2W, are you serious?
Every F2P games are obviously P2W. I just have my own terminology of P2W which is just quite different of what you guys are thinking about. Read my second post of this thread and you will understand. -
I have m4 ib fury Thomson awm and I feel the only op gun is the m4 most likely because reload and wallbang
Fury because it's an ak the recoil is still there
Thomson is the same but slight faster reload and drawspeed
Awm because it's just Another sniper but more bullets
Anything else I miss? -
I have seen quite some people complaining about how z8 and smilegate love money so they make more vips.
Although its true that if you ask any gamer to spend 100 dollars on 1 single weapon in a game, they would say hell no. But its cf so its a different story.
Vips actually save you money, you are guaranteed to get the weapons. Have you seen how much some people spent on zp crates and never won? Ex: I spent 300k zp last month, didnt win anything in the bm, had 10k zp left bought 5 tickets and won the jack hammer gold.
So Vips are good things ( not mentioning all the bonus effects that you get, do bm zp guns have these effects??) they are ones of the very few "good" things about this game. I cannot wait untill more vips are released. If you are going to complain how the devs love money, complain about how they keep rolling out new contents for zp BM.
I mean, yeah, money wise they're very efficient when you're not risking excessive amounts of cash on a gun you may not even win. But morally? Think about it, I (hypothetical statement) just spent one hundred dollars on a virtual gun.
Still, I'm just trying to point out both sides here, don't wanna take a specific side or anything. -
' wrote:SKoRM;4126882']VIP weapons were the beginning of the end for me playing this game. The are just such a stupid concept I don't know how anyone likes them... They literally destroyed some of the most fun aspects of the game such as the player ranks.'MissA wrote:Suzy;4126905']AK and M4 VIPs are just ridiculously OP. I refuse to buy/use them for that reason.
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M4 Obsidian and Ironbeast are OP...
1) Silencer
2) Fastest Reload
3) Melee
4) Hardly any recoil
5) Full wallbang
6) Does massive damage even with armor on
AK Fury i do not really care about so much if someone uses or not... (sits in my 4th bag hardly ever used)
1) Recoil is out of control when trying to spray it unlike other AKs
2) No Silencer
3) Dmg is around the same with other ak's
4) Is not full wallbang (WAIT WTH AK ISNT FWB BUT M4 IS?)
5) Melee is way harder to use and does no where near the dmg the M4's do
6) Can't really see a difference in reloading compared to other AKs
P2W? Eh its a 50/50...
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Armor
Smoke helmet
You take someone who has Smoke Helmet+Armor+Head Armor+JTF+M4OB/IB good luck winning vs that not to mention that they stack sides.
It isnt that we hate VIP's, its the fact we hate when people use them. -
Like it or not, Crossfire has chosen to make VIPs a part of the game. Nothing is going to change that. If people wish to use those weapons when they play the game, that's their choice. It's an option that people can choose to use or not, but the point is, it's up to each one of us to decide if we want to use them or not.
If you see someone with a VIP, even if you disagree with their choice, you should respect it.
And anyway, skill always trumps good guns. Always. If you know your way around the maps, and you have a good sense of how others play, then you'll do fine. -
' wrote:K[illa;4127028']M4 Obsidian and Ironbeast are OP...
1) Silencer
2) Fastest Reload
3) Melee
4) Hardly any recoil
5) Full wallbang
6) Does massive damage even with armor on
AK Fury i do not really care about so much if someone uses or not... (sits in my 4th bag hardly ever used)
1) Recoil is out of control when trying to spray it unlike other AKs
2) No Silencer
3) Dmg is around the same with other ak's
4) Is not full wallbang (WAIT WTH AK ISNT FWB BUT M4 IS?)
5) Melee is way harder to use and does no where near the dmg the M4's do
6) Can't really see a difference in reloading compared to other AKs
P2W? Eh its a 50/50...
Characters Smoke/Flash Reduced
Armor
Smoke helmet
You take someone who has Smoke Helmet+Armor+Head Armor+JTF+M4OB/IB good luck winning vs that not to mention that they stack sides.
It isnt that we hate VIP's, its the fact we hate when people use them.
Theres recoil in the m4 vip i tell you that, melee man i dont use that thing, wallbang and fast reload? XM8 is the closest thing to be gp vip man, except for the bonuses and the melee. XM8 reload is fast, wallbang there you go, hardly any recoil as well, its just underrated thats all.
Once again, i realize i make this thread talking about how they are good being that they save money. I understand why some of you may think they are overpowered, but then anything ZP is overpowered in this game, i thought yall already knew that. Thats a whole point of paying real money, to have an advantage over your opponents. -
Thats a whole point of paying real money, to have an advantage over your opponents.
Well maybe for you they have recoil but for me and alot of others they have very little. XM8 is not full wall bang anymore last i heard it was like 70-90%? Yeah we know, you guys wanna buy VIP's doesn't mean you have to use them every game you play.. Oh and topic of this is "Why complain about VIPs?" I only stated the reasons. -
GodLikeFear wrote: »Why do many people complain about VIPs?
as oLOGIC wrote before.. they are ridiculously overpowered and therefore unfair when used against players who don't use/have VIPs.
Because of the big advantages a VIP gun comes with I also own the AK Fury (which I only have in my bag and hardly use) but in my opinion I still think that using a VIP gun (especially Iron Beast, Obsidian and Tommy) is wrong and unfair.
Imagine they would have nerfed every VIP gun. Thats the fairest thing the could have done for the entire CF community in my opinion. Because every VIP owner would get his 200 exp + , melee attacks, unexpected luck and other adcantages and the opposite players won't suffer from these ridiculously wallbang and instant headshot effects.
Nowadays it is just too easy with VIP guns and sadly CF is already a P2W game.
Man that's horse isht... what about Srping/Royal M4A1-S They both have 100% wallbang, and don't forget the Patriot also 100% wallbang and 2.0 sec reload and the spring is even faster then that (by a bit)...
So the only thing that is different is the mele attack that you get with the m4 ib/ob (yes the reload is a bit faster then patriot/spring, but not by that much, also it shoots faster by a bit)
Spring/Royal are no longer available in BM and some people like me don't like the stupid Scope on Patriot (even tho I have it)...
So the IB/OB is a good replacement for Spring/Royal/Patriot until they release Spring2/Sakura2 M4A1 or re release Royal/Spring crates... Or maybe make another "mistake" and accidentally re release royal/spring crates for a few hours which will give me enough time to buy like 300 crates and win it...
To people that cant afford the VIP's it sucks, but you can always save up you allowance or what not, and get one... Get a part time job if your a student and get one, wait for b-day and get one... If you can get one but choose not to, you have no right to complain. -
' wrote:K[illa;4127128']Well maybe for you they have recoil but for me and alot of others they have very little. XM8 is not full wall bang anymore last i heard it was like 70-90%? Yeah we know, you guys wanna buy VIP's doesn't mean you have to use them every game you play.. Oh and topic of this is "Why complain about VIPs?" I only stated the reasons.
Xm8 is still full wallbang and it will probably stay like that. -
InfinityQel wrote: »But morally? Think about it, I (hypothetical statement) just spent one hundred dollars on a virtual gun.
This^ is the reason I dislike them. I just can't bear the fact that somebody can actually spend that much money for some better features. I don't care if that person has much money, it's just stupid.
Then, buying VIPs doesn't buy you skill. Though, I sometimes get mad owing to full wallbang or a bigger damage of VIPs. That's why I mainly play WM, because VIPs don't make any difference there, at least for me. Furthermore, they (and intrusions) were the reason(s) I quit ZM, the mode that had been the best one for me. So, I guess I don't like them because they have ruined everything I enjoyed in this game.
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