False Accusations are getting out of hand. We need penalties for it.
I've played like 12 games today and only got finish 3 of them because everytime I started doing well I got accused of hacking and kicked. As soon as I would enter a game it would be loaded with messages accusing various people of hacking without actually stating how the person hacked. It would just be "insert name" noob hacker kick kick kick".
Being good is not allowed in this game anymore. If the people playing as ghost don't win then you get kicked. Its really annoying when you've been in a game since the beginning and you get kicked near the end. You lose all experience and GP that you would have gotten all because some players can't handle losing. I like to finish things that I start and this really ruins the game for me.
When someone gets accused of hacking I actually watch the person to see if they are hacking. 90% of the time they aren't. They are just better players than the ones who are accusing them, but they get accused and kicked anyway. I've seen people get kicked just for getting a single head-shot when head-shots are a dime a dozen for GR and BL. I've seen players getting falsely accused of hacking and kicked for being the one to actually kill another player when there were like 4 players shooting at the one that got killed. Then you have the players that thinks it completely impossible for them to be shot while they aren't moving or if they are on the other side of the screen. I've headshots someone from A in lost relics when they were in the tunnel for B using and M60. The would likely not occur that often even with an aim bot because of the weapons horrible accuracy. The bullets fire randomly in the area of the reticule, getting a head-shot or any shot is mostly a matter of luck.
Its like an offensive tactic now. If player is better than you, accuse them of hacking till someone kicks them removing their entire existence in that particular game since they can't kill them by following the rules. Mass false accusations need to be bannable offense. There are a lot of people who just repeatedly spam that whoever just killed them hack. I've seen many time where someone has accused EVERYONE on GR of hacking individually followed by waves of insults. Its just not fun to play with people like that and there are at least 2 or 3 in every game that I play these days. The last time I remember playing a game without a single false accuser in it was 2 weeks ago and near a month before that.
Its isn't hard to spot a hacker. There are rarely inconsistencies with their hack. Always getting head-shots without fail,not just on occasion. Running to where ghosts are hiding back to back to back and killing them one after the other. Shooting towards the exact spot where a ghost is on the other side of an impenetrable object instantaneously upon arrival in an area.
Being good is not allowed in this game anymore. If the people playing as ghost don't win then you get kicked. Its really annoying when you've been in a game since the beginning and you get kicked near the end. You lose all experience and GP that you would have gotten all because some players can't handle losing. I like to finish things that I start and this really ruins the game for me.
When someone gets accused of hacking I actually watch the person to see if they are hacking. 90% of the time they aren't. They are just better players than the ones who are accusing them, but they get accused and kicked anyway. I've seen people get kicked just for getting a single head-shot when head-shots are a dime a dozen for GR and BL. I've seen players getting falsely accused of hacking and kicked for being the one to actually kill another player when there were like 4 players shooting at the one that got killed. Then you have the players that thinks it completely impossible for them to be shot while they aren't moving or if they are on the other side of the screen. I've headshots someone from A in lost relics when they were in the tunnel for B using and M60. The would likely not occur that often even with an aim bot because of the weapons horrible accuracy. The bullets fire randomly in the area of the reticule, getting a head-shot or any shot is mostly a matter of luck.
Its like an offensive tactic now. If player is better than you, accuse them of hacking till someone kicks them removing their entire existence in that particular game since they can't kill them by following the rules. Mass false accusations need to be bannable offense. There are a lot of people who just repeatedly spam that whoever just killed them hack. I've seen many time where someone has accused EVERYONE on GR of hacking individually followed by waves of insults. Its just not fun to play with people like that and there are at least 2 or 3 in every game that I play these days. The last time I remember playing a game without a single false accuser in it was 2 weeks ago and near a month before that.
Its isn't hard to spot a hacker. There are rarely inconsistencies with their hack. Always getting head-shots without fail,not just on occasion. Running to where ghosts are hiding back to back to back and killing them one after the other. Shooting towards the exact spot where a ghost is on the other side of an impenetrable object instantaneously upon arrival in an area.
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A simple solution to this problem would be to make it where there are servers that require a character to have good honor to join, where false hack reports to GM reduces the players and a required rank of staff sergeant. That way hackers and false accusers can't ruin the game for the people who actually no how to play.
There are multiple servers that hardly anyone plays on. You could convert those servers to good honor only servers, or you could do it like a tier. Trainee server, anyone server, average server, good server.
This would really improve the game because people that can play well will be able to play with other people who play well without it being ruined by hackers or the even worse and much more abundant false accusers. Also, it would cut down on false accusations and people who quit the moment they start losing because their will actually be repercussions for it.
You should also start IP banning actual hacker because most of them do it with alt accounts. That is not to say that you should ban people with multiple accounts though. I recently made another one after find out that there is no more free GP in the item mails after staff sergeant and I wanted to play with the new weapons. -
[GM]Saidin wrote: »There is a server that requires a certain level to play on.
This will help reduce some of the lower level first time players or alternate accounts etc.
The reducing multiple accounts isn't the major issue. This is about people who massively false accuse. I encounter a hacker like once everyone other day but I encounter false accusers in everyone game I play. A hacker ruins one game but they are soon banned. False accusers ruin every game they enter and nothing happens to them for it. They are far worse than hackers at the moment.
Even if the game has a hacker you can at least still play and finish to get GP and exp. Getting kicked for a false accusation just throws a wrench into everything with fun being the greatest lost. I am actually starting to consider supporting the kick removal ideas. False accusers are seriously the biggest most game ruining factor in crossfire right now. -
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thank god we're doing something about this!
i get tired of reading "HACK.ER!! HAKER! HE HACK.S SO PLZ KICK HACK.ER. HE OWNZ ME EVERYTIME SO HACK.S"
it gets extremely annoying. only once in the last couple of months have i seen a hacker, and that was when he was killing everyone with only one shot of the m4 on any part of the body, with 100 health.
when do i see false accusations? EVERY DAMN GAME
it'd be nice to see a server for good players that dont hack or falsely accuse. -
Well, this happens ALL the time for me too. I made a new account, only level 3, started a new account because I lost my password on old account, and now I'm accused of hacking every game. It's getting ridicoulus. (Sorry, don't know how to spell "ridiculous"? maybe? xD)
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Yes, we need to rally people together. The people who play this game seriously need to learn how to handle losing. I'm usually the ace but there are games were I have gotten praticuly mutilated. I didn't complain about it at all cause your bound to find someone who is better than you in some areas sooner or later.
Truthfully I lose interest when I win all the time. I playing against good players. It makes victory that much more satisfying. That is why I would never hack. I'm not playing just to win. I'm playing for the competition. -
Man, this is getting annoying. I get kicked out 2 of every 3 games I play. This isn't fun at all. You have to find a solution to this. Its illegal to know how too play now almost. It gone from if you get first place you are automatically a hacker to if you get in the top 5 you are automatically hacker to if you kill more than more than 2 people in a round you are automatically a hacker.
I just got kicked in GR for praticing Bunny Hopping. They called it hacking because I was jumping without my character moving. All you have to do is time your jump the moment you land. Its not hard.
Please, just ONE honor based server will do. Make the staff sergeant only server good honor only as well. No really uses it so i won't cause a problem.
Also, PLEASE! make a penalty for false accusations. it can be something simple like lowering the honor of someone who has been screecapped massively accusing anyone who kills them or people who report someone as hacking that was found to not be hacking.
The kick system doesn't even really work. Its more of a tool of hatred than keeping the game clean. The only people I ever see getting kicked are people that aren't liked. Most hacker's come in with clan members supporting them so actual hackers rarely ever get kicked. Only legit players that know how to play better than most other get kicked most of the time. -
aimoperative wrote: »u know what, i was having the greatest tim of my life, doing well in an elimination game, and they all kicked me just because i shot the entire BL with an uzi and an AWM
lol, me too and got kicked as soon i killed the last guy....
next thing i see on chat
f11
f11 haker
f11 haker
f11 ppl.....
WTF!!!!!!!!! -
Usually I just play with my clan so they will vote to keep me in the room. I rarely see a hack.er anymore, but when I do I usually find a way too deal with them. Though almost every single game I play someone with a score of like 4-17 will start accussing another player with a score of 11-2 of hack.ing. After that at least a quarter of the players in the room will get kicked.
My suggestion is that if you do get kicked you would retain all the EXP and GP you have earned for that game. Your win/lose and your K/D won't change at all. This way some players won't get as pi.ssed off about getting kicked.
Another thing is sort of a kill-cam, showing the person you killed how they died. Sometimes in ghost mode I am right behind a ghost, but they don't notice me. I take aim with my Aug Camo and bam! Headshot! Then they accuse me of wall hacking or whatever other hack you can think of. But with a kill-cam they can see how you killed them and they'll think "Oh he was behind me." -
1) search forums
2) happens to every1 dont cry
3) im sure you have accused some1 of hacking even wen they just owned you in your lifetime =.="
this has been posted only like a gajillion times..and they wont do anything about it..if people rly think yu are hacking well too bad..if they dont some1 will f12 and ppl will have respect, dont cry..deal with it...i've been kicked a gajillion times in gm cuz they thouhgt i hack, ppl with headphones are always called hackers..they just have to deal with it..some1 will know that they use headphones and they will f12..i dont kick ppl until i spectate them, tell them to spectate you b4 they make comments about your skill..bsides..take it like a compliment, your so good they think you hack (: andd heres a solution..play with some friends who know you dont hack...who support yu..they will help you -
I get this allot and I use headphones. I've even been accused of hac.king by a member of pubstarz and the next game he says he just hates being on black list -.- This just shows that no one likes good players! If its possible they should just make a more secure anti hack which would solve hac.kers and accusers because it would be impossible to hack.
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How can you prove it is a false accusation? Only by proving the innocence of the accused. Besides, putting penalties on false accusations would make people think twice of reporting players that DO hack. You want that to happen? Hackers ruining your game and getting away with it, because people are afraid of being punished for calling them hacks? Use your brain, scuttlebug, and grow a pair. :mad:
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Usually I just play with my clan so they will vote to keep me in the room. I rarely see a hack.er anymore, but when I do I usually find a way too deal with them. Though almost every single game I play someone with a score of like 4-17 will start accussing another player with a score of 11-2 of hack.ing. After that at least a quarter of the players in the room will get kicked.
My suggestion is that if you do get kicked you would retain all the EXP and GP you have earned for that game. Your win/lose and your K/D won't change at all. This way some players won't get as pi.ssed off about getting kicked.
Another thing is sort of a kill-cam, showing the person you killed how they died. Sometimes in ghost mode I am right behind a ghost, but they don't notice me. I take aim with my Aug Camo and bam! Headshot! Then they accuse me of wall hacking or whatever other hack you can think of. But with a kill-cam they can see how you killed them and they'll think "Oh he was behind me."
I think the kill-cam type of thing is a great idea. If they would be able to see your screen 5-10 seconds before you killed them it would shut most of the cryers up. A lot of the times I get accused of hacking is because I see them or hear them and they don't think I did or they think I didn't notice. -
"I love when a ghost is running right at you.
You kill him and he says he wasnt moving.
And you get kicked."
This right here sums up about half of all my kick accusations. I just played a few games today. And guess how many I was kicked in? 4 out of 5. I'm absolutely SICK of this crap. Enough is enough, make a change in the kick voting system! Make it cost 2k GP to kick someone. Make it so more than 55% or whatever it is have to vote to kick them. Let the host kick people DURING the game! Make an option to leave a game because you think such and such person is a hack.er, if they hack, you dont get a penalty and they get banned. if they don't hack then you get double penalty and x% of gp removed or x% of guns damaged for false accusation. Do SOMETHING, it's much better than NOTHING. -
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The reason people cry hack is because there are so many of them in this game. I for one hate the cheating maggots that I see every day....The number of which has become staggering lately.
Give a guy with lame skills the ability to see thru walls and that same guy will score like a champ.
Noobs don't know the difference between skill, a wall hack, or an aimbot...Why should they?
On the other hand, noob hackers are always surprised at how quickly I call them out (they tell me so)...After 110, 000 legitimate (not farmed) kills I can tell when someone is.......using alternate programing.
Far from calling out people that cry hack we should be working on developing a successful (and perhaps rewards based) anti hacking culture. One of the ways I believe we could make a difference would be to use a higher ranked senior member server with stepped up policing by Z-8. If the rank took quite a while to attain it would create an elite status that would discourage hack related behavior.....Being banned as a Senior member would mean you are back to playing with the noobs for a long, long, long time. I believe the Elite members would also become more and more anti hack in culture.
What would be wrong with that?
The biggest solution to hacking is not in the programing.....I believe cheats will always be available and I don't believe they can be stopped.
Create an environment where players demand an honest game and you can bet on a great playing environment and (for Z8) a very happy customer.
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