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Of course.GodsGunman wrote: »You'd allow a repeat rapist and serial killer to live?
Yeah, people for the death punishment are definitely out of their minds.
"An eye for an eye" is religious nonsense.
As is "turn the other cheek", mind you.
I'm the last to advocate leniency - which the death punishment is. -
GodsGunman wrote: »You'd allow a repeat rapist and serial killer to live?
Yeah, people for the death punishment are definitely out of their minds.
You'd allow a government to play God's Gunman? (Pardon the pun lol.) Idk how smart the Canadian government is, but I don't trust my government to decide whether people get to live or not. -
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Of course.
"An eye for an eye" is religious nonsense.
As is "turn the other cheek", mind you.
I'm the last to advocate leniency - which the death punishment is.
The death punishment is a lot worse than the jails that are out there right now.You'd allow a government to play God's Gunman? (Pardon the pun lol.) Idk how smart the Canadian government is, but I don't trust my government to decide whether people get to live or not.
The Canadian Government doesn't use the death punishment anymore, although technically they still could.
You would rather have thousands of criminals living just to re-commit crimes and costing the tax payers millions of dollars, than just kill those that are past the point of no return? The jails are already overcrowded (in Canada anyways), might as well open up some space for people that can actually be rehabilitated instead of keeping the scum of the earth alive for no reason.Death penalty = Legal Murder.
So is war or protecting yourself, your point? -
GodsGunman wrote: »The death punishment is a lot worse than the jails that are out there right now.
The purpose of jails isn't punishment, it's rehabilitation.You would rather have thousands of criminals living just to re-commit crimes and costing the tax payers millions of dollars, than just kill those that are past the point of no return? The jails are already overcrowded (in Canada anyways), might as well open up some space for people that can actually be rehabilitated instead of keeping the scum of the earth alive for no reason.
Punishment will make them re-commit crimes, rehabilitation will not. Just look at the amount of repeat offenders in Sweden vs. U.S.So is war or protecting yourself, your point?
So war is justified? -
If the prisons are overcrowded, you build more and better prisons.
You don't kill the prisoners off to make room for new prisoners without a chance of rehabilitation in a vicious circle of incompetence and ignorance.
(He meant that in war, death sentence and for purposes of self-defense, murder is 'legal'.
Of course, a legal murder isn't a murder, its a kill. And judicial legality has little value to a rational mind.) -
People that have murdered countless people or pedophiles, etc do not deserve to live. They have taken away somebody's life and don't deserve a decision that is in their favor. A bullet to the head is what they deserve, committing crimes severe as that are like Nazis killing jews(won't mention my opinion of this for the sake of people getting offended) but they were hung! Same should be with these *******s, if there is no fear, you will not learn.
I agree. -
RawrJafrikan wrote: »ARe you poor?
http://www.luckygunner.com/rifle/5.56x45-ammo?quantity=17
It's about 35 cents per round, fire off a lot of them and yeah they get to be expensive.
Point was they're not "a few" cents.The purpose of jails isn't punishment, it's rehabilitation.
Punishment will make them re-commit crimes, rehabilitation will not. Just look at the amount of repeat offenders in Sweden vs. U.S.
So war is justified?If the prisons are overcrowded, you build more and better prisons.
You don't kill the prisoners off to make room for new prisoners without a chance of rehabilitation in a vicious circle of incompetence and ignorance.
There are 2 ways the government can go about fixing the overcrowding situation:
1. Make all prisons like the Canadian military prison.
The Canadian military prison is the only prison in Canada legally allowed to starve their inmates. Inmates are unofficially allowed to be beaten as long as there are no visible marks left (and there are lots of ways to not leave bruises while still inflicting extreme pain, believe me, I talked to someone that went through that). Inmates are also not allowed to talk for the first couple of weeks, and have to gain permission for everything.
The Canadian military prison has a 99% rehabilitation rate (99% of offenders do not reoffend), how can you argue with numbers like that? Answer is, you can't.
2. Bring in the death punishment.
Kill those that are past the point of no return. Do you really want past rapists, molestors, murderers/serial killers, thieves etc. in your neighbourhood? People like you always seem to think people like that are somebody else's problem and it will never happen to you, well guess what? It has to happen to somebody if those people are around, so don't be ignorant to it. -
GodsGunman wrote: »Bullets are expensive.
no they're not... lol i spend aprox .30 cents on 5.56 x 45 WHOLE sale, for 7.62/.308 i put about .60 cents a bullet, and 7.62 x 39mm is about 25 cents if i get russian surplus steel cased ammo.
also the government makes it a lot cheaper, and most people that are avid shooters make handloads. -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate
You'll notice that the US, with poor prison conditions and death penalty, rock the #1 spot.
You'll also notice that my country, with excellent prison conditions, great efforts towards rehabilitation and re-assimilation, rock the #174 spot with only a handful of civilized nations rating better.
I can't find any decent statistics right now, but its not a stretch to assume my country also holds lower criminal recurrence statistics. -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate
You'll notice that the US, with poor prison conditions and death penalty, rock the #1 spot.
You'll also notice that my country, with excellent prison conditions, great efforts towards rehabilitation and re-assimilation, rock the #174 spot with only a handful of civilized nations rating better.
I can't find any decent statistics right now, but its not a stretch to assume my country also holds lower criminal recurrence statistics.
If you can prove that your Country has a less than 1% repeat offenders percentage, then I will agree with you. I've been told by multiple people that have been in the Canadian Army for dozens of years that the Canadian Military prison has a reoffence percentage of 1%, one of which was there for a year, so it's pretty safe to assume that percentage is correct.
Oh and by the way, the maximum amount of time someone can be sent to that prison is for 2 years, otherwise it would be inhumane. A 99% rehabilitation rating in 2 years or less is downright amazing; all prisons should be like this, the world would be a much better place. -
GodsGunman wrote: »keeping the scum of the earth alive for no reason.
You assume that the death penalty would be used selectively (i.e. only for heinous/correctly convicted criminals) once you give government the power to play God. Well, just look at Texas. -
You assume that the death penalty would be used selectively (i.e. only for heinous/correctly convicted criminals) once you give government the power to play God. Well, just look at Texas.
If you read my other comment or were informed about Canada's laws, you would know that Canada is legally allowed to use the death penalty, but it's never done. -
GodsGunman wrote: »If you read my other comment or were informed about Canada's laws, you would know that Canada is legally allowed to use the death penalty, but it's never done.
Again: Idk how smart the Canadian government is, but I would not entrust the death penalty to any government in the U.S. -
How is the 99% statistic generated?GodsGunman wrote: »If you can prove that your Country has a less than 1% repeat offenders percentage, then I will agree with you. I've been told by multiple people that have been in the Canadian Army for dozens of years that the Canadian Military prison has a reoffence percentage of 1%, one of which was there for a year, so it's pretty safe to assume that percentage is correct.
Oh and by the way, the maximum amount of time someone can be sent to that prison is for 2 years, otherwise it would be inhumane. A 99% rehabilitation rating in 2 years or less is downright amazing; all prisons should be like this, the world would be a much better place.
Its a military prison, so its for military personnel.
Most are petty crimes, where the risk of recurrence is small anywhere, and the risk of getting caught again even slimmer.
Not to mention they go through a rehabilitation program, which is proven efficient.
The more serious offenders are transferred to regular prisons after completed sentence in mp, does the recurrence rate include these prisoners or are the excluded once they've finished their mp stretch?
You have no idea whether its the rehabilitation program or the torture that helps them - claiming that it is the latter seems irresponsible.
I'd love some links on this though, information about the prison looks scarce. -
How is the 99% statistic generated?
Its a military prison, so its for military personnel.
Most are petty crimes, where the risk of recurrence is small anywhere, and the risk of getting caught again even slimmer.
Not to mention they go through a rehabilitation program, which is proven efficient.
The more serious offenders are transferred to regular prisons after completed sentence in mp, does the recurrence rate include these prisoners or are the excluded once they've finished their mp stretch?
You have no idea whether its the rehabilitation program or the torture that helps them - claiming that it is the latter seems irresponsible.
I'd love some links on this though, information about the prison looks scarce.
I'm fairly sure the 99% would include their time in regular prison, something I forgot about until you pointed it out, however I'm sure the regular prisons don't have anywhere near a 99% rehabilitation rate, which means the defining factor there is the military prison.
I don't know anything about a rehabilitation program there, the person that had gone to that prison didn't say anything about it, so perhaps it wasn't as memorable as the beatings which he seemed to remember quite vividly. Maybe that is what makes me think it's about how tough the prison is, not the programs in it designed for rehabilitation.
It is true that the military prison is for military personnel only, however there are some terrible things that I've heard of people doing in the armed forces, some of which has caused entire regiments to close down.
edit* Oh and I don't have any links or anything, this is all from what senior NCOs and the person that was in the prison told me. -
One might think that 1% constitutes the crimes that have 'bigger' recurrence rates, while the 99% are petty crimes you're unlikely to fall back to (or unlikely to get caught doing outside of the military).
Meh, this wasn't very interesting.
Time for game of thrones. -
One might think that 1% constitutes the crimes that have 'bigger' recurrence rates, while the 99% are petty crimes you're unlikely to fall back to (or unlikely to get caught doing outside of the military).
Meh, this wasn't very interesting.
Time for game of thrones.
That's possible, but neither of us have the information required to rely on it.
Is the new season starting or are you watching an old episode?
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