Ghost Mode without bhop
I remember reading sometime ago that the whole bhop thing was just a bug and the crossfire developers didn't made it on purpose.
Let's say they fix this "bug", would you guys still play GM as BL then? I think ghost don't have a chance to win without bhop.
Let's say they fix this "bug", would you guys still play GM as BL then? I think ghost don't have a chance to win without bhop.
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They know damn well they intended to copy off of Counter Strike...where it is actually IS a bug (that was then added as a play option in CS:S with certain server options/commands).
But they CAN remove it by disallowing the ability to jump after a jump for x amount of milliseconds...so simple, but then that would break GM to the point of unfairness (ghosts wouldn't really be able to move without being spotted).
Either way, when they designed GM they screwed up...being able to win as BL relies on the ability to do a glitch that is NOT taught to new players because it can NOT be taught textually like planting/defusing the bomb in S&D.
Maybe they should have had something like a toggle system...where in mode 1 you were 60% visible, could be heard pretty well, and could run quickly and in mode 2 you were 0% visible, walked slowly, and it was hard to hear you but had a timer (like 10 seconds) and a cooldown period so players couldn't constantly use it...be better then having to reply on some stupid GunZ style button combo to stay stealthy. -
BadMonkey666 wrote: »That was not my point, the question was if people would still play as BL. Of curse people will play as GR, without bhop it will be even easier for the GRs to win.
In that case, yes I would still play on BL just as often as I do now. The katana is a good camping weapon and I happen to have an unlimited duration one. -
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It is a bug, and if they fixed it then it would lose all of it's competitive edge.
All of the melee weapons that we consider overpowered now wouldn't be overpowered at all though if that were to happen.
In other versions, they made it so every time you hit the ground people around you can hear where you are. That was all they've done to patch it in other versions so far, luckily G4Box generally feels as though the glitch is a good thing and they've chosen thus-far to let it stay.
I would probably rarely play BL if there was no more bhopping. Pubs maybe, but not competitively. -
However the main point is that it DOESN'T need to be left in the game. It can be replaced with something that's easier for players to learn when they first start the game...
...but they don't want to bother now, because at this point it's too late. People have already invested time and money on the current "glitch, step down, breath down, and op weapons" system for them to switch it now... -
so tell me why did people get good K/Ds when the bhop wased the known?No bunny hopping would totally kill the game, as that means you can't move fast without making noise, you can't bunny hop in ghost mode, you can't even double jump on moderately high boxes. It's a must, for me at least.
also the double jump should really be taken out because it allow you to get on places where you couldnt get on and thats not the point of the game.
but i would play gm again as BL if they remove the bhop because the bhop kinda killed gm..... now so many people bhop and hit in the same time and that isnt fair.
its kinda really hard to beat someone that got those low sound with a shovel and really good at bhop and armor. so is that fair then? -
so tell me why did people get good K/Ds when the bhop wased the known?
also the double jump should really be taken out because it allow you to get on places where you couldnt get on and thats not the point of the game.
but i would play gm again as BL if they remove the bhop because the bhop kinda killed gm..... now so many people bhop and hit in the same time and that isnt fair.
its kinda really hard to beat someone that got those low sound with a shovel and really good at bhop and armor. so is that fair then?
This has to be the dumbest thing I ever heard. -
well tell me is it fair if they use step down, breath down,shovel,bhop,armor?This has to be the dumbest thing I ever heard.
also some people use it now in S&D,EM that bhop why?
because you cant hear the foot steps and you move pretty quick.
so yes they should remove the bhop. -
well tell me is it fair if they use step down, breath down,shovel,bhop,armor?
also some people use it now in S&D,EM that bhop why?
because you cant hear the foot steps and you move pretty quick.
so yes they should remove the bhop.
Well, BHing in other modes doesn't really save you...if anything, it makes you vulnerable since you then have to stop, aim, shoot, and hope he didn't spot you first...
As for in GM, yes, BH and all those other things TOGETHER DOES make it unfair...nothing like not hearing anything or seeing anything and it smashes your face in with a shovel.
HOWEVER, there are players who DON'T have those things...all they have is the stupid knife that is 80% unreliable, even with pro players. It would be worse on them if it was removed. -
Well, BHing in other modes doesn't really save you...if anything, it makes you vulnerable since you then have to stop, aim, shoot, and hope he didn't spot you first...
it do help you they can move fast over some place and you wouldnt hear them coming.
also you can bhop and hs in the same time....
i saw people do it thats why they got to remove it. -
it do help you they can move fast over some place and you wouldnt hear them coming.
also you can bhop and hs in the same time....
i saw people do it thats why they got to remove it.
...Seeing "a lot" of people do it is QUITE subjective, not to mention you can't shoot straight while BHing because it's the same as running in the regard of the games recoil system...so your "a lot" is called into question, and it's starting to make your argument seem like you just started the thread to QQ about getting snuck-up on by someone and they bopped you in GM.
I've NEVER seen anyone BH in any other mode and headshot anyone unless they STOPPED or did a improvised drop-shot no different then playing with a sniper rifle...and then they had to start the BH again from scratch anyway.
In GM, that is NOT a factor...PERIOD. In normal S&D matches you don't see people BHing because it's RISKY...they CANT shoot accurately from that position, but they can be shot. They have to stay in the clear while the do it, so they are vulnerable.
ONCE AGAIN : It's ONLY a problem when the player is using ZP items to give themselves an extra advantage...other then that, GR still has the advantage.
And until you can give an alternative system to affirm your position on the topic, you don't have much of an argument. BHing may suck, but it can be done...and it can be learned. If anything the ZP items need to be removed. -
it would be overkill for Ghost mode.
Without Bhop BL's would be easly killed.
I think this ghost mode deserve to have bhop,because it's only way what gives that mode on life.Without it,people wouldn't play at all as BL.Unless for those who want to destroy theys kdr.
Me as non-proffesional ghost mode player would play only gr side.
Also people would not even play it anymore.Because there is no use to play,no spirit,no competitive passion,it would be mode for those who want to farm 100%.
There are over 1000+ clans who have atleast 15 players who play Ghost Mode only.Not to mention how it would destroy Ghost Mode clans.I think that Z8games wont let that happend.
Ghost mode deserves to have bhop technique without changing.Because in CFEU ghost mode is totally destroyed.
While you bhop you can hear theys footsteps(like when you fall from a building but without damage sound noise) and bhop is technique is destroyed.
I think if they change it and leave that like 6-7 patches without changing people would just quit the game.Because many new people trying to learn how to bhop and more people are comming everyday to learn how to play ghost mode.So i dont think that z8games should fix that bug.
Because bhop is skill,not bug abuse. -
Removal of B hop would make the mode extremely GR sided (even if they remove breath as well).
All a smart GR team needs to do to win is camp the bomb sites and watch the entrances.
The ghost won't be able to enter with out being seen and then die. So every game would end with either the ghost team all dieing trying to get into a bomb site or the time running out as GR camp it. Since most GM maps have GR closer to most bomb sites it is a very easy task for GR to beat the BL team to the bomb sites. -
i didnt make a QQ thread its just a fact....Seeing "a lot" of people do it is QUITE subjective, not to mention you can't shoot straight while BHing because it's the same as running in the regard of the games recoil system...so your "a lot" is called into question, and it's starting to make your argument seem like you just started the thread to QQ about getting snuck-up on by someone and they bopped you in GM.
I've NEVER seen anyone BH in any other mode and headshot anyone unless they STOPPED or did a improvised drop-shot no different then playing with a sniper rifle...and then they had to start the BH again from scratch anyway.
In GM, that is NOT a factor...PERIOD. In normal S&D matches you don't see people BHing because it's RISKY...they CANT shoot accurately from that position, but they can be shot. They have to stay in the clear while the do it, so they are vulnerable.
ONCE AGAIN : It's ONLY a problem when the player is using ZP items to give themselves an extra advantage...other then that, GR still has the advantage.
And until you can give an alternative system to affirm your position on the topic, you don't have much of an argument. BHing may suck, but it can be done...and it can be learned. If anything the ZP items need to be removed.
also the fact that the game like 'counter strike' got servers that dont allow those snipers but anyway.
about the bhop in other game modes i see it sometimes at eagle eyes from A site to the end of long A. so they can hold their sniper that should be slow but the bhop makes it able to move fast with it but you also dont hear them coming.
so to say it in sort the bhop in other modes can be used to move fast and you wouldnt be heard. -
sometimes at eagle eyes from A site to the end of long A. so they can hold their sniper that should be slow but the bhop makes it able to move fast with it but you also dont hear them coming.
IT DOESN'T MATTER! If you don't peek long A every time you rush over there with how open it is then you're a newb or a bad player...more people die in A long to sniper shots then pretty much any other place on the map (with B long in second place, but at least B side has counter cover...), so if you can't SEE someone BHing into view on a pathway about 300~ feet long and 40~ feet wide then you may need glasses.
I'm going to assume you don't walk when you go into water, do you...
Secondly, it doesn't matter...AGAIN. Did you now that you can double jump in the same fashion and keep your speed? While standing? With the sniper? Yeah...if you try it in GM you'll be visible, but they won't be able to hear your footsteps. -
Bunny hopping has been a part of the game for years, and I'm quite sure it's never going to be removed. Ghost Mode would die and the game just wouldn't be the same without it. No more double jumping, which is allowed in ALL Crossfire leagues with no exceptions. And about double jumping, it's totally fair since both teams can use it freely without having a huge advantage over the other. Unlike lag jumping which actually takes you to places people can't normally reach. It's staying, and it's totally fair.
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A ghost mode without bhop will ruin the game. You have to look at the facts, the only reason why ghosts can win is because some of their players can bhop effectively. Take that away, and you got a bunch of loud breathing ghosts running around and even with breath down, players with headphones on can easily pin point. It swings way too much for the opposing team since they have headphones. Although yes, there are bhoppers who can take out a whole team with breath/footsteps down with shovel, that's not a common case. Another case that is a little more common however are people who use headphones to effectively pinpoint. Anyone skilled in pinpointing can hunt down even the more experienced bhoppers because of the "mistake"(missing with melee weapon) factor that comes into play. I've personally seen more headphone users single hand-idly take out ghosts and bhoppers. Again, take out the bhopping and that will leave ghosts vulnerable to pinpointers and sprayers.
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bhop in other mods is only usefull for go from place to place where you think there is no one. but it could be like someone is there closs by but you dont see each other yet.IT DOESN'T MATTER! If you don't peek long A every time you rush over there with how open it is then you're a newb or a bad player...more people die in A long to sniper shots then pretty much any other place on the map (with B long in second place, but at least B side has counter cover...), so if you can't SEE someone BHing into view on a pathway about 300~ feet long and 40~ feet wide then you may need glasses.
I'm going to assume you don't walk when you go into water, do you...
Secondly, it doesn't matter...AGAIN. Did you now that you can double jump in the same fashion and keep your speed? While standing? With the sniper? Yeah...if you try it in GM you'll be visible, but they won't be able to hear your footsteps.
so that means he can sneak up behine that person fast and he wouldnt hear the person because he bhop. thats the point to remove in in other modes. i dont really care if they remove it in ghost mode i dont play ghost mode anymore.
but what your saying is 'that they bhop and shoot in the same time' -
Actually I think it's easier not to bhop rather then to bhop sometimes.
Everyone is around you waiting to hear a breath but if you jump around them constantly everyone is spraying and panicking. The moment they reload you have a few seconds to kill 1 or 2 and start the process all over again. This way is mostly easier for "Pros" who only listen to breath since they won't have much experience of ghost running around them. -
so that means he can sneak up behine that person fast and he wouldnt hear the person because he bhop. '
While bhopping you can't turn left or right in a effective way nor can you shoot with perfect accuracy due to that fact that you are in midair. You would have to be right behind them to effectively stop, aim, and fire. Now if he didn't sneak up behind him and just shoot from a far then it wouldn't be bad anyways.
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