NA Crossfire has been taken over
I am getting so bummed out with crossfire lately. The BR's have taken over every server and make the game unenjoyable for NA players. It's not even just that there 200 pings and lags have them map warping and air hanging, however I can't even play more than 2 rounds in any Delta map without being kicked because I have a NA ping. What the hell is this crap? I can't play on a +exp server because I have a normal ping for the server I play on, but all these 200+ pingers get the enjoyment and + exp, being able to play in Delta. How is this fair?
You talk about how we gotta be fair and let them play even though they lag so horribly because they have the right to the enjoyment of playing, yet you let them strip us NA players of any enjoyment in playing in the +exp Delta server. This is discriminating and you allow this to continue. How do their rights trump ours?
You talk a big game about bringing the community together, yet in the same context, you let these Br players take over the NA CF. I am starting to feel so much hatred towards BR players. I am seriously getting so raged at this bs and I just don't care to keep my mouth shut anymore...no matter the consequences. I just don't care anymore, the game has lost it's enjoyment.
So long as these players keep pumping coins into the coffers, Z8 will let them to continue to dominate our Client and discriminate against us NA players. This is reverse discrimination and it is bs that it is allowed to continue. You guys at Z8 have all the power to fix this, but it seems you don't care or want to stand up to them and force them to a BR CF client. You'll just let the NA players game quality diminish to appease the BR's.
"Any alleged 'right' of one man, which necessitates the violation of the rights of another, is not and cannot be a right. "
There's my trololololololololol ..... take it or leave it, I am positive I speak for many, many other NA players.
P.S. - is there a program I can get that will make me lag when I need too, maybe then I can play in Delta.
P.S.S. - Hey Z8, can you increase my ping from 10 to around 100 so I can play in Delta?.
You talk about how we gotta be fair and let them play even though they lag so horribly because they have the right to the enjoyment of playing, yet you let them strip us NA players of any enjoyment in playing in the +exp Delta server. This is discriminating and you allow this to continue. How do their rights trump ours?
You talk a big game about bringing the community together, yet in the same context, you let these Br players take over the NA CF. I am starting to feel so much hatred towards BR players. I am seriously getting so raged at this bs and I just don't care to keep my mouth shut anymore...no matter the consequences. I just don't care anymore, the game has lost it's enjoyment.
So long as these players keep pumping coins into the coffers, Z8 will let them to continue to dominate our Client and discriminate against us NA players. This is reverse discrimination and it is bs that it is allowed to continue. You guys at Z8 have all the power to fix this, but it seems you don't care or want to stand up to them and force them to a BR CF client. You'll just let the NA players game quality diminish to appease the BR's.
"Any alleged 'right' of one man, which necessitates the violation of the rights of another, is not and cannot be a right. "
There's my trololololololololol ..... take it or leave it, I am positive I speak for many, many other NA players.
P.S. - is there a program I can get that will make me lag when I need too, maybe then I can play in Delta.
P.S.S. - Hey Z8, can you increase my ping from 10 to around 100 so I can play in Delta?.
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I love when they do that... I especially love when they call you a hacker when all you are doing is killing them while they lag... I even more love when your whole team is your clan and they tell us to kick out so and so and we're like seriously? We're the same clan why would we kick?
Anyways, I agree that they should have their own server or something cause they are very annoying of late...
Also go to UK4 my ping is usually 46 and in UK4 I'm around 110, and they don't kick you normally. -
My ping is 100 in Us servers. I am from Canada, alpha, bravo, charlie and echo are my servers. I should have the same opportunity to earn + exp in Delta, as any other player. They should not have the power to make that not possible at all. It is discriminating and is a well known issue, and for Z8 to idly stand by and let it continue is wrong. If it was just Bravo or Alpha, ok It would bug me, but I could live with it. However I have as much right to play and earn + exp in the Delta server and the BR's should not be able to over run it and own it and kik every NA player out. This behavior is just breeding hate and racism, and Z8 stands by and allows it. It is utter bs.CryingMonkey wrote: »Which is why you should play in US West
BR's usually only go to Alpha/Delta.
P.S - I am not bashing at you at all, I am just saying that is not a fair solution. -
aheadsplit wrote: »How is this fair? ... This is discriminating and you allow this to continue. How do their rights trump ours?
You talk a big game about bringing the community together...
This is reverse discrimination and it is bs that it is allowed to continue.
"Any alleged 'right' of one man, which necessitates the violation of the rights of another, is not and cannot be a right. "
I would respond to each phrase a quote in of itself but I'm lazy atm to space it out. Assume that each of my own paragraphs is a response to the alluding paragraph above.
This isn't discriminating that this version is the international version of CF to all those who don't have a CF version in their place. In the case of Latin America, they are under the same publisher and have not broken up the licenses to their respective regions. Nobody is trumping anybody's rights except you trumping everyone else's for your own "right".
We do always want to bring the community together, and your thread only serves to dismantle it.
Please reread on the definition of reverse discrimination. You don't even know WHO is in the class of the majority in this case, therefore this argument is invalid to begin with.
"Any alleged 'right' of one man...blah blah" is rhetorical philosophy from Ayn Rand. Who are YOU to say that this phrase is applicable on a game, much less on the gaming forum?
You take such grandiose diction and take it COMPLETELY out of context.
p.s. *not amused by your sarcasm of your post scripts. -
I would respond to each phrase a quote in of itself but I'm lazy atm to space it out. Assume that each of my own paragraphs is a response to the alluding paragraph above.
This isn't discriminating that this version is the international version of CF to all those who don't have a CF version in their place. In the case of Latin America, they are under the same publisher and have not broken up the licenses to their respective regions. Nobody is trumping anybody's rights except you trumping everyone else's for your own "right".
We do always want to bring the community together, and your thread only serves to dismantle it.
Please reread on the definition of reverse discrimination. You don't even know WHO is in the class of the majority in this case, therefore this argument is invalid to begin with.
"Any alleged 'right' of one man...blah blah" is rhetorical philosophy from Ayn Rand. Who are YOU to say that this phrase is applicable on a game, much less on the gaming forum?
You take such grandiose diction and take it COMPLETELY out of context.
p.s. *not amused by your sarcasm of your post scripts.
What a whole mouthful of crock - Sell ur crap to ur fanboys.
The fact I can't play in Delta at all is balloney and you want to talk like your some intellectual is a joke. Latin America has completely taking over the Na CF. And if you read the opening of my post, I am mostly egged with the fact that I cant even play on the Delta server w/o being kik'd, and open ur eyes dude, this issue does cause hatred and anger between BR and Na
And u don't like my scarcasim.....lolololololololololol. OO I made the MoD angry and return he is gonna ban me? You don't like my post scripts , but honestly, it would allow me to play in delta, and that is the joke of the matter. I wasn't being sarcastic, I would seriously love to be able to increase my ping, just so that I too could earn +exp in Delta server. However your absolutely right, there is NO discrimination that exists between BR and NA. None at all, and the fact that they kick us all outta delta rooms is not racism at all, it is because they are just too afraid to play us?
But w/e, just close this thread with your powers and threaten or intimidate me and I'll shut up like a good cow. -
Go play in another server then. Duh.
Sorry you can't play in Delta server, but that's not our fault. Players want to play there, then try to find your niche. It's obvious that it seems you don't seem to fit there.
And when someone argues back how about you simmer your own rebuttal down. I lol that you immediately get all high and mighty and even more angry that someone talked back. -
aheadsplit wrote: »What a whole mouthful of crock - Sell ur crap to ur fanboys.
The fact I can't play in Delta at all is balloney and you want to talk like your some intellectual is a joke. Latin America has completely taking over the Na CF. And if you read the opening of my post, I am mostly egged with the face that I cant even play on the DElkta server w/o being kik'd, and open ur eyes dude, this issue does cause hatred and anger between BR and Na
And u don't like my scarcasim.....lolololololololololol. OO I made the MoD angry and return he is gonna ban me?
There you go cf players, shut up and take it or face reprisal from a Mod or GM.
Echo 8/Alpha 7. West Coast. UK servers.
I have not been kicked in over a month.
Players are entitled to do what they want, as long as they are not abusive. If anyone abuses you, please submit a support ticket with an attached screenshot and a support rep will be glad to assist you.
Unfortunately, if the players in delta want to play with other players under a ping limit, the current rules allow for it. The moderators have no say in this and are all instructed to follow a specific manor of responding to these inquiries. Insulting or attacking them will not accomplish anything. -
ive never been kicked from a single room in the NA servers?
i play with friends//forumers//clan mates (before i joined the mod clan)
i played foxtrot and west mainly, but sometimes bravo...
pick your rooms, don't join a room where 90% of the people have "BR" in their name//clan - they probably will kick you, yes.
but then, if a BR joins a room with all canadians, they get kicked.
it works both ways. -
I am not high and mighty at all, I glad you spoke. I am not dismantling any progress CF is making. I was using the forums to speak my peace. The delta server problem is largely apparent, however I should quit crying and just forget about playing in Delta. You say it is not my niche...lol ... but it is because I am NA with NA ping that I and dozens of other NA players get kicked from the Delta server.
However I better shut up and let the powers to be have the last and final word, and I better not ever question the powers to be or ever complain at all.
Everyone can see how easily a MoD can ban or kick or intimidate just for the heck of it. -
aheadsplit wrote: »However I better shut up and let the powers to be have the last and final word, and I better not ever question the powers to be or ever complain at all.
Everyone can see how easily a MoD can ban or kick or intimidate just for the heck of it.
Nobody has banned or kicked you for now. What is your problem buddy?
You're mad because you can't play in Delta, so you take it out on us? That's quite fair indeed..... -
Echo 8/Alpha 7. West Coast. UK servers.
I have not been kicked in over a month.
Players are entitled to do what they want, as long as they are not abusive. If anyone abuses you, please submit a support ticket with an attached screenshot and a support rep will be glad to assist you.
Unfortunately, if the players in delta want to play with other players under a ping limit, the current rules allow for it. The moderators have no say in this and are all instructed to follow a specific manor of responding to these inquiries. Insulting or attacking them will not accomplish anything.
I am so regretting even saying anything at all, I wasn't trying to be insulting but to read his retort obviously shows his mindset. I am milfed that the only server to give + exp is "off limits" to Na pings. To suggest I play in some other server is what ticked me off to hear. I just want the same opportunity to get +exp. But seriously, what a waste of 2 hours of my life this has been.
* I humbly bow to the powers above* -
aheadsplit wrote: »I am so regretting even saying anything at all, I wasn't trying to be insulting but to read his retort obviously shows his mindset. I am milfed that the only server to give + exp is "off limits" to Na pings. To suggest I play in some other server is what ticked me off to hear. I just want the same opportunity to get +exp. But seriously, what a waste of 2 hours of my life this has been.
i thought it was just delta 7//8 that BR's played in most? (i'm not sure since i play UK mainly)
but then if your ping isnt too high in the UK (100-150) play in the UK servers, lots of my NA friends come play with me, and we have an gp+ server too!
also: isnt one of the west coast servers gp+? -
aheadsplit wrote: »I am so regretting even saying anything at all, I wasn't trying to be insulting but to read his retort obviously shows his mindset. I am milfed that the only server to give + exp is "off limits" to Na pings. To suggest I play in some other server is what ticked me off to hear. I just want the same opportunity to get +exp. But seriously, what a waste of 2 hours of my life this has been.
* I humbly bow to the powers above*
I think you mean +GP, but all the same I do agree that it is a pain. If there was another GP+ server created, I cannot imagine that these same players would not also attempt to migrate and use this server as well.
Trust me, your argument basis is understandable. However profit & marketing wise it is not something that can directly be changed. You do have to understand that Z8 runs a business, and will not remove profit. Money talks more than forum posts, for better or worse.
As for a waste, you are free to express your opinion! It is what the forums are here for. Sometimes you won't get the answer you want, but it does give you a good way to let off some steam. -
I think you mean +GP, but all the same I do agree that it is a pain. If there was another GP+ server created, I cannot imagine that these same players would not also attempt to migrate and use this server as well.
Trust me, your argument basis is understandable. However profit & marketing wise it is not something that can directly be changed. You do have to understand that Z8 runs a business, and will not remove profit. Money talks more than forum posts, for better or worse.
As for a waste, you are free to express your opinion! It is what the forums are here for. Sometimes you won't get the answer you want, but it does give you a good way to let off some steam.
Thanks for your input,
I really wasn't expecting to sound like a flame or a racist, I DID need to vent, because it is soooooooooooo frustrating to try and play in delta and never finish more than 2 rounds b4 to be kicked. This being kicked does cause hatred towards (specific parties), and it's not my intention to "dismantle" anything by stating this.
I understand CF's bottom line is profit as with any business and I also understand the constraints that exist with their partnership with smilegate . I just really wanted to invoke a serious discussion that would bring many other NA players to speak up and voice our concerns about Delta and as you touched a little on - perhaps creating another ( I always thought it was +exp lol) , or adding the +gp feature to another Server for us Northern NA players. My ping in Alpha, Bravo and Echo are 9-10. In Delta, Charlie my ping is 20 - 38. My pings in the U.S and U.K servers are 100 +, and I literally map warp or air hang on those servers.
Anyhow, am glad to have continued to read on and hear what you had to say. -
aheadsplit wrote: »Thanks for your input,
I really wasn't expecting to sound like a flame or a racist, I DID need to vent, because it is soooooooooooo frustrating to try and play in delta and never finish more than 2 rounds b4 to be kicked. This being kicked does cause hatred towards (specific parties), and it's not my intention to "dismantle" anything by stating this.
I understand CF's bottom line is profit as with any business and I also understand the constraints that exist with their partnership with smilegate . I just really wanted to invoke a serious discussion that would bring many other NA players to speak up and voice our concerns about Delta and as you touched a little on - perhaps creating another ( I always thought it was +exp lol) , or adding the +gp feature to another Server for us Northern NA players. My ping in Alpha, Bravo and Echo are 9-10. In Delta, Charlie my ping is 20 - 38. My pings in the U.S and U.K servers are 100 +, and I literally map warp or air hang on those servers.
Anyhow, am glad to have continued to read on and hear what you had to say.
I will be the first one to say that it can be the suck sometimes. I even admit, even though I am perfect in every way shape and form, that one of my first threads back in Subagames was making fun of the fact that I'd been kicked over 100 times within 1 weekend.
What I would suggest, is to try and think up creative ways to resolve the issue in the first place. A new solution to an old problem would always be appreciated. -
I would like to take the moment to apologize to you aheadsplit.
I looked over my posts and see that indeed I came off a little more harsh than I intended. There was no need to get as I'll call it "high and mighty". It was not my intention, I swear.
Yes this game has its ups and downs. For the most part a major "down" would be the consideration of lag. This game is open to basically everyone from anywhere (kinda-sorta I know). With that it also comes the baggage of lag. It sucks indeed to be on the receiving end of a person who's lagging and therefore ruins your moments of fun.
But I do wish to stress that there are other servers that can hopefully meet your expectations of having better fun.
Again, sorry to come off harder than usual. -
dude, I understand you completely, but what can they do? Instead, think of what can you do? Avoid playing in delta then, that 5% bonus isn't really a bonus, think of that way :P.
Oh and I suggest that Z8 can make this change: One's Ping can be only seen by the player him/herself. -
lol kinda funny how north americans are forced to play and hide in different servers to play in a north american game because south americans constantly harass the north americans while they have a south american version which north americans aren't allowed to play in.
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Agreed,I think its BS that they have there own version and are allowed to play NA version,need to get everyone together and start playing the Brazilian version of crossfire. At least you don't have to worry about full servers and someone crying mini ping on Brazilian servers. And if you want to increase your ping just use vpn, should get you anywhere from 100-450 ping.aheadsplit wrote: »I am getting so bummed out with crossfire lately. The BR's have taken over every server and make the game unenjoyable for NA players. It's not even just that there 200 pings and lags have them map warping and air hanging, however I can't even play more than 2 rounds in any Delta map without being kicked because I have a NA ping. What the hell is this crap? I can't play on a +exp server because I have a normal ping for the server I play on, but all these 200+ pingers get the enjoyment and + exp, being able to play in Delta. How is this fair?
You talk about how we gotta be fair and let them play even though they lag so horribly because they have the right to the enjoyment of playing, yet you let them strip us NA players of any enjoyment in playing in the +exp Delta server. This is discriminating and you allow this to continue. How do their rights trump ours?
You talk a big game about bringing the community together, yet in the same context, you let these Br players take over the NA CF. I am starting to feel so much hatred towards BR players. I am seriously getting so raged at this bs and I just don't care to keep my mouth shut anymore...no matter the consequences. I just don't care anymore, the game has lost it's enjoyment.
So long as these players keep pumping coins into the coffers, Z8 will let them to continue to dominate our Client and discriminate against us NA players. This is reverse discrimination and it is bs that it is allowed to continue. You guys at Z8 have all the power to fix this, but it seems you don't care or want to stand up to them and force them to a BR CF client. You'll just let the NA players game quality diminish to appease the BR's.
"Any alleged 'right' of one man, which necessitates the violation of the rights of another, is not and cannot be a right. "
There's my trololololololololol ..... take it or leave it, I am positive I speak for many, many other NA players.
P.S. - is there a program I can get that will make me lag when I need too, maybe then I can play in Delta.
P.S.S. - Hey Z8, can you increase my ping from 10 to around 100 so I can play in Delta?. -
I would like to take the moment to apologize to you aheadsplit.
I looked over my posts and see that indeed I came off a little more harsh than I intended. There was no need to get as I'll call it "high and mighty". It was not my intention, I swear.
Yes this game has its ups and downs. For the most part a major "down" would be the consideration of lag. This game is open to basically everyone from anywhere (kinda-sorta I know). With that it also comes the baggage of lag. It sucks indeed to be on the receiving end of a person who's lagging and therefore ruins your moments of fun.
But I do wish to stress that there are other servers that can hopefully meet your expectations of having better fun.
Again, sorry to come off harder than usual.
Takes a real man/woman to step up and initiate an apology and for that I respect you. I have to admit I was defensive and did sound like a person set on the next civil movement, and I apologize for being curt. I was set off by the - don't play on Delta, and it isn't my niche comments. I do admit it does suck to be on the receiving end of a lagging persons gun, however I would take that than not being allowed to play at all. Yet I know that this was not by Z8's design or intention. It just seems that there is so much hate out there on both sides and it is getting ridiculous.
Here in Canada, it seems our rights and traditions are withering at a rapid pace, to appease our multi-cultural citizens, and in that we are losing our traditional culture ( No more Lords prayer in school, kids can't celebrate Halloween in school, kids can't say Merry Christmas in school - but rather are instructed to say Happy Holidays instead).
I know, I know. Your probably thinking, where is he going with this. I come to play crossfire to get away from all this . It's just that the fight is bred in me. The fight to preserve some fairness and equality; and this extends into my gaming world. I admit I can get carried away sometimes ( I have never been a herded sheep).
Delaco1 is right, I should have tried not to sound so bashing on crossfire and perhaps suggest some way of addressing this. It was my original intent, to inspire a discussion that may bring forth some fruitful ideas. Unfortunately screen shotting and reporting kick abusers would be hard to prove and combined with the efforts allocated to dealing with hack reports, I don't think this route would work.
I hope to move forward and hope some useful ideas came come to light
Thanks for posting back, and again, I am sorry too! -
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