What happened to the old coupon rewards?

I have sent a mail to mail@g4box.com ... they said i have to send a mail to z8 support

Kawaii_Neko wrote: »

ironically, most players who have all the guns would think twice about buying zp for crates now.

Before they released new coupon & zp crate perms so player would spend for both but for players that have all the guns they want/need, buying more zp was not necessary. A sure win perm coupon gun weapon would provide more incentive to buy zp for another zp crate gun.

Now they are just relying on whatever zp crate they release.
IF it's not good, not reason to spend on it - like this last patch (Silv-sniper)

So true, I have llike 10 pages of guns and I still buy zp for the coupons but I won't spend any on the liquid.

VATAV wrote: »

Z8's main problem:
There are very many GP weapons one can get for free that are usually just as good as many of the ZP weapons.

VATAV how come you are the temp leader now.


If zp guns are too good, gp itemshop players will play other more power-balanced games.

zp guns are about vanity. nothing else.

Gh0st_Slay3r wrote: »

Coupons are basically free........

Tbh Yep there are Free.

Plus i wonder who has never wasted $$ and gotten a golden wep from coupons with only starting gp for gp crates.

cffaceshot wrote: »

Saidin u are right but i think not much people will pay 70 coupons for a m16 with same ammo and power and only one difference which is the sound...

I would, infact I am saving my coupons for it on my main.

Gh0st_Slay3r wrote: »

A lot of people are in that frame of mind right now but once they realise that its not going to change back they will probably actually enjoy the temp weapons as an added bonus like Saidin said it is meant to be.

Like me on my main. I won't buy ZP as often as before now, but neither will I completely forsake it. I have all the weapons I really want from the crates, the only ones I'd think about going for are the DSR-1 D.C., M249, and M37 Stakeout. Otherwise I only buy the crates for the coupons so I can maybe get the M16 in the coupon system to try it out.

[GM]Saidin wrote: »

This is an incorrect assumption.

It starts with this line:


The problems here is that you assume a constant price for a zp weapon in a game of chance, and you assume that once a player has a permanent weapon they will be inclined to purchase another.

Coupon items were a near constant price with some variance.
Crates are pure luck and many NEVER win from them but the coupon weapons were a reliable way to get a ZP weapon.

$60ish would get a player 86 ZP crates on average, it takes 2-3 ZP crates to get a coupon. So 84 ZP crates would get 28-42ish coupons.

For the old 50 and 60 Coupon items they would get very close to being able to get one of them and likely spend a little more to get 1.

Here is the thing, what if they wanted another coupon weapon? They now know it would take another $60. If they are willing to spend that much again for a gun they will.

[GM]Saidin wrote: »

This is an incorrect assumption.

To answer the first part, the Black Market is a game of chance, yes analysis will determine an average price for a permanent weapon. Knowing that that price is however is not your assumption to make.

The BM is a game of chance. It is like a slot machine, you need to get all 7s to win the gun.
Coupons on the other hand came at a steady predictable rate. This allows customers to put a estimated price for the coupon items based on it.

[GM]Saidin wrote: »

This is an incorrect assumption.
To answer the second part it is more complex, but what it boils down to is that the average user is not as likely as you think to purchase a second weapon once they already have a first one (of the zp variety).

I said more likely too. Most people wouldn't spend more then $60 on one game, and the old coupon items meant they would only get around 1 coupon item and what ever the were lucky enough to win from crates. With the changes to the coupon system, the average spender has to rely on purely luck.

If they get something of value, then they are more likely to try to get another thing of value. If they get nothing of value, they are unlikely to spend more.

[GM]Saidin wrote: »

This is an incorrect assumption.
The second part to this is that coupons present an option in the past for receiving a permanent weapon. Lets use your $60 dollar example to continue this point. But again, this is not actually the accurate number.

If you assume that $60 dollars reliably gets you the M4A1-S Patriot from the Black Market, and based on the rate you get coupons then you can assume that it will take less than $60 dollars to reach a coupon level. In effect then, based on previous Black Market permanent weapons, your $60 dollars now equals likely 2 permanent weapons. One from each the crate and the coupon. Now the average player is twice-as-likely to not purchase zp or go after a second gun.

I was talking about the COUPON items being reliable to get.
The crate guns are completely unpredictable of when someone gets it.

If they win nothing from crates and can't get anything perm for coupons, are they likely to continue buying ZP?

[GM]Saidin wrote: »

In the short term this wasn't a noticeable issue. However the developers felt that it was a growing issue and needed to make some changes and move the Coupon Exchange to more of a "bonus level" than a focus to get permanent weapons.

Currently we sit at a little of column A and a little of column B. Because we still have rows in the Black Market at the top which are top rare permanent items. Which still gives the possibility of a 2-for-1 by purchasing crates.

The devs wanted to change the main reason many continued to buy ZP crates at all to something that would make them not want to continue buying?

People were BUYING crates primarily for the bonus items, and now they want to remove the bonus items because they simply don't like people BUYING their product for that reason?!

Smart businesses put more focus on the stuff that causes there customers to spend more.
Also, 2-for-1? I know it is possible but I have only heard of 1 case where it happened. Is it really that big of a issue if it is that rare?

[GM]Saidin wrote: »

However we now have content at the temporary level which is exclusive to the coupon exchange which now offers variety compared to the stale weapons that were getting tired before.

Heavy spenders were complaining about running out of things to buy.
Light spenders were just saving up for their first or second perm item.

By replacing with temp items instead of perm ones:
Heavy spenders still don't have anything they wish to buy.
Light spenders stop spending in frustration to no longer being able to get what they were saving up for.

[GM]Saidin wrote: »

Combine that with some things such as no one exchanged for the psg-1 red dragon, and that people would simply horde coupons for no particular reason and the fact that coupons themselves should never be the main focus for a crate and should always be considered bonus we now have the system that has been in place.

The PSG-1 RD problem was that it had to compete against 4 other items.

AWM-Camo: Was considered the best sniper in till the Fr-F2 came out.
M4A1-Custom: A very good rifle that would serve the buyer well.
Deagle-Camo: Considered the best pistol in till mauser came out.
Axe: A very good melee weapon.

The Axe and Deagle are always going to be useful, most people use rifles over snipers so the M4A1-Custom was more likely to be bought before it, and the AWM-Camo was considered better for the same price.

If you wanted the PSG-1 RD to be bought then it should of either been made it cheaper or the other weapons cycled out before it.

[GM]Saidin wrote: »

It's not necessarily ideal or desired for some players. Especially those who might have the collection mentality. But they also don't make up the majority of the game.

Plus we have some of the highest counts of permanent available weapons for GP users throughout all versions of Cross Fire.

Yep, you guys do have lots of GP weapons. Very generous.
Especially since many of them are considered better then most ZP crate guns.
Yet another reason to not bother with crates. The GP stuff is far cheaper, easier to get, and just as good.

[GM]Saidin wrote: »

The fact that these are temporary in those spaces in the coupon exchange is not likely to change any time soon. We may see some rotating content within that though, and we will always maintain a level of permanent weapons at the top.



I hope that some of this can explain what was going on. We continue to see users who come here assuming they know the economics of business side of the game or the games industry. The fact is much of it is behind closed doors to the public (happens with all games and game companies). Everyone would probably be better served going to actually TRY one of those 90 day temp weapons (3 months is a long time) than to complain about a permanent PSG-1 RD that they were never going to exchange for in the first place!

I won't dare try to assume anything about the legal issues, licensing, or logistics about a business. But will dare say I under stand customers better.

Going to put a example here:
You decide to get a computer.
You got to the store and are able to buy a good one for $500.
4 months later you decide you want a second computer.
You got to the same store and find they now only rent out the computers.
That same $500 would only allow to rent the computer for 3 months.

Most people would just not bother renting the computer and instead look somewhere else.
Your assuming people would rent the computer anyways.

It's funny because Saidin's word kind of shows that it is quite fair for the Coupon Exchange to be the way it is. He also forgot to include Bonus Points, which have available permanent weapons. $60 is approximately 60,000 ZP. 60,000 ZP is 6,000 BP. This will allow you to buy an M16A2. Another $9 in, and you can purchase the AK-47 Silver. $89 in and you're able to purchase the M4A1 Silver. There is really no losing when purchasing ZP, as you have THREE opportunities to receive a permanent weapon, two of the methods being guarantee'd for a permanent weapon at some point in time, the third a game of chance.

Maybe they need money to host an aus server