Reason why are all the coupon weapons being changed
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That is still $150 they spent on this game.
For $150 one could buy a years subscription to another better MMO or buy 3 new console/computer games, 7-30 used/old console/computer games, or even a used console.
Replacing the coupon weapons with temp ones only affects heavy ZP buyers.
The players not spending anything or $10-$20 a month won't notice at all.
But the players spending $100+ a month will quickly stop or reduce their spending.
$1,400+ spent on this game and I only won 2 ZP BM guns, but thanks to coupons I was able to buy 8 coupon weapons. The coupon weapons are the ONLY reason why I continued to spend so much on the BM. With out them I couldn't justify spending $100 a month average on this game.
After I get a Gold Coupon gun I'm done buying any more ZP and many heavy spenders like me have already stopped entirely. This is move only discourages heavy spending on this game. If they wanted to make more money then the temp coupon stuff at 50 coupons and up should have been perm.
Yes, but what people don't see is that the difference between their assumption of "temporary" and "long time rent" is that most temporary guns that the community sees are 7 days, and they run out fast.
In this case, it's 90 days. It's not like we're saying, "Here, you've spent a ton of money. We'll give you a 7 day gun!"
Sure, it runs out. But you clearly say right there. $100 + a month easily gets you enough coupons to redeem. You don't have to redeem, but you can easily do so if you want to.
Changes will always come. The community is too self centered in the present to see that.Sushi_Sushi wrote: »I see a lot more people with the PSG RD / Awm Camo perm than with the shot gun thing and the RX Storm thing at 50 coupons. I've never even seen the shot gun in game before and I highly, highly doubt that it's getting purchased more often than the other guns, such as the PSG RD or AWM Camo.
If youre gonna use the fact that not many people redeemed it to get it removed, you should do the same with those guns then.
The PSG-RD was barely redeemed. The only thing that is unfortunate is the AWM Camo, which was somehow pulled along.
You see more PSG-RD and AWM Camos because they've been available to buy for years and are permanent. -
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lol thanks for basically repeating what i said (only very thoroughly)
and as i said, i am still surprised that they ever put up the M4CC for 20 ribbons (pretty easily obtainable, if you think about it. if i had logged on during a few of the events this year, id have it now) in that case i guess the m4cc is my main goal for now, so to hell with bm and coupons anyway 
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lol thanks for basically repeating what i said (only very thoroughly) and as i said, i am still surprised that they ever put up the M4CC for 20 ribbons (pretty easily obtainable, if you think about it. if i had logged on during a few of the events this year, id have it now) in that case i guess the m4cc is my main goal for now, so to hell with bm and coupons anyway
It was also my goal for the longest time
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I'm just waiting for another 5 ribbons to come so I can try that 2 year Shovel RD. -
Changes will always come. The community is too self centered in the present to see that.
actually, i bet ppl will forget about the change at most one month after the patch. heck, im starting to forget about it already. im more worried about classes right now (ok, not rly since its senior spring lol) than changes to cf
EDIT: crap, forgot all about the shovel. that is almost more ridiculous than the m4cc. clearly an example when temp is better than perm... -
Yes, but what people don't see is that the difference between their assumption of "temporary" and "long time rent" is that most temporary guns that the community sees are 7 days, and they run out fast.
In this case, it's 90 days. It's not like we're saying, "Here, you've spent a ton of money. We'll give you a 7 day gun!"
Sure, it runs out. But you clearly say right there. $100 + a month easily gets you enough coupons to redeem. You don't have to redeem, but you can easily do so if you want to.
Changes will always come. The community is too self centered in the present to see that.
Why spend $100 on something for 90 days when I can get a similar item for 90 days that only cost $20? The ZP stuff in the item mall are just as good as the temp coupon stuff and cost 1/5th the price on average. The coupon items are over priced for what they are and the ZP mall items, which are cheaper, were rarely bought to begin with.
I can't justify a $100 payment for something that only last 3 months. -
Why spend $100 on something for 90 days when I can get a similar item for 90 days that only cost $20? The ZP stuff in the item mall are just as good as the temp coupon stuff and cost 1/5th the price on average. The coupon items are over priced for what they are and the ZP mall items, which are cheaper, were rarely bought to begin with.
I can't justify a $100 payment for something that only last 3 months.
You can't justify that payment. But others can.
It's all a matter of perspective
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Let me put it this way...
Many of the "BIG!" zp spenders who contribute most of the money to Z8's profit (I know people who have spent 10 grand on CF) have like 1000000 extra coupons and already 10 versions of every gun. COUGH THISGAMEOWNS COUGH GODSGUNMAN COUGH COUGH.
Excuse me, but might as well do them a favor and toss in some temp guns to "TRY OUT" and maybe in the future add to the permanent selection if it becomes popular. -
You can't justify that payment. But others can.
It's all a matter of perspective.
Relying on people to be able to justify irrational amounts of money for something they don't keep is a bad business tactic.
I don't doubt there are people willing to sink that kind of money repetitively but relying on that kind of customer is extremely risky.
Z8 should be focusing on encouraging the $10-$20 a month spenders to keep buying ZP.
One way to do that was the coupon system, in 5-10 months most of them would of been able to buy a perm weapon. What is there to encourage players to keep buying ZP now?
Edit:FBG_Covert wrote: »Let me put it this way...
Many of the "BIG!" zp spenders who contribute most of the money to Z8's profit (I know people who have spent 10 grand on CF) have like 1000000 extra coupons and already 10 versions of every gun. COUGH THISGAMEOWNS COUGH GODSGUNMAN COUGH COUGH.
Excuse me, but might as well do them a favor and toss in some temp guns to "TRY OUT" and maybe in the future add to the permanent selection if it becomes popular.
Gods stopped opening crates entirely because he is at 100 coupons and nothing he values available to spend them on. -
I havent seen many people using the new temporary weapons of the BM, as for the wrench, when i see one in the game, is the same as other melee weapon, i dont think is special or something.
It will happen the same that happen when you open too much crates, you will have a temporary weapon for many days, like, lets say 1000 days, and then you wont want it anymore, and it will become just a gun in your storage. What im trying to say is you play the game with the permanent weapons you have, not with your temporary.
just guessing, time will tell... -
ok, we have 3 choices
1/ Accept Temp weapons and play it
2/ Don't buy ZP crate, don't make any profit for game and then see what developer's next step is.
3/ Contact and complain to developer by address, phone or email![:\](https://forum.z8games.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
Keep creating thread doesn't reach developer. GM/ Mods can't solve these problem as they confirm. -
Z8 should be focusing on encouraging the $10-$20 a month spenders to keep buying ZP.
What you say is true. I used to be this kind of spender. I didn't win anything in the crates, not even any coupons, I said fu_k this gambling crap and then haven't wasted any of my money for well over 4 months, till I needed a name change... -
GoldCookies wrote: »So, as all of you noticed, z8games decided to change most of the coupon weapons into time limited weapons. And most of the time limited weapons are just piece of poop compared to the weapons we had chance to get before.
I am 90% sure why are they changing these weapons.
#1. Reason: z8games is super uber greedy and they don't want to give players any permanent weapons just to make them buy more ZP.
#2. Reason: There will be 'dramatic' changes in Black Market. You will be guaranteed to get 1 coupon per 1 crate. Which would mean 1 crate = 1 coupon, unless you win permanent prize.
That would look something like this:
Crate is M4A1-Custom
Group A:
Rare: M4A1-Custom (Permanent)
Coupon
Group B:
AWM-A (1 Day), (7 Days)
MP5-A (1 Day), (7 Days)
SG552-C (1 Day), (7 Days)
Group C:
1,000 GP
2,000 GP
5,000 GP
10,000 GP
50,000 GP
100,000 GP
200,000 GP
1,000,000 GP
Each Group represents 1 of those 3 rewards you can win per each crate.
Groups B&C may be changed into other weapons/sprays/whatever, but I think you see my general idea of this.
GM wanna earn more money
so the items get more expensive 2 waste more money -
GoldCookies wrote: »#1. Reason: z8games is super uber greedy and they don't want to give players any permanent weapons just to make them buy more ZP..
g4box=z8games.
z8games=g4box
they are one and the same my dear boy
OT: watch the interview with saidin, he explain it all. -
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First off, Z8Games has nothing to do with what guns are in the coupon exchange. That is all done by our developers, who are also the developers for every single other CrossFire version out there.
So your first point is completely wrong there.
Secondly, it's not hard to see why the developers are doing it. As the game progresses people get more and more coupons from crates. What is there left to buy after you get all the permanent weapons. Not to mention that there is already so many permanent. Essentially you also get coupon guns for free. Not many people that I've spoken to buy crates for their coupons, most usually buy a crate that contains the weapon they want because they want that weapon.
Keeping permanent weapons in the coupon exchange is not good for the games life-span either. I don't think I can go into details since Saidin gave us a few numbers, but I'm sure when he's at work he'll come explain it again.
In the end, the coupon exchange is going to most likely be a mix of permanent and temporary weapons. So we are seeing many more temporary weapons come into it, this is because we did not have that many before. We're still going to see the top weapons, such as the gold awm, m4, etc, be there. They're not going to be all taken out.
Also who knows, maybe some of those permanent weapons that are taken out of the coupon exchange can be put in the BP shop later.
Sometimes it might not look like it, but in the end the Developers are doing what is best for the game in the future. If you don't like it, well that's to bad for you.
Well said, but remember most of the players cant afford to buy or they only have limited money to buy zp's, what if they realiZe that they need to spend a lot to have atleast one perm weapon? Theres some probabilities that they will quit,or they will take a risk by using hacks although it doesnt really matter if they get banned.
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