Reason why are all the coupon weapons being changed

To keep things fresh, and people keeps asking for change and now we have it.

- Just be happy that there even coupons..

[MOD]9 wrote: »

I buy crates to try and win the crate gun. Not to get coupons. Coupons are a free reward that enable one to access another area of CF that has other, exclusive weapons to that area.

So yes the weapons were perm, but now they're shifting to temporary weapons.
Those older perm weapons were here for 3 years.
Yea it was time for a change. Also a portion of the community wished for updates to the coupon exchange for a while back then.

oh please, enough with the coupons are a blessing from the heavens, its an incredibly strong marketing incentive not only to promote crate purchase but to ease the butt pain, z8 benefits from coupons just as much as we 'benefit' from coupons

you may not aim for coupons, you may not care about coupons, that is your opinion

my opinion is, cfna uses one of the most inconvenient micropurchase system for the average user found in f2p games, littered with temps and tough odds, and you want me to thank for coupons that I can exchange for more temps? I approve of coupons but hardly something to thank for when i go to bed

people criticizing 'greedy" makes me LOL
OWS hypocrites make me LOL
the END

its all bout the money~
u jelly?

[MOD]9 wrote: »

I buy crates to try and win the crate gun. Not to get coupons. Coupons are a free reward that enable one to access another area of CF that has other, exclusive weapons to that area.

So yes the weapons were perm, but now they're shifting to temporary weapons.
Those older perm weapons were here for 3 years.
Yea it was time for a change. Also a portion of the community wished for updates to the coupon exchange for a while back then.

We didnt wish for TEMP weapons

When you obtain crates you should be doing it for the purposes of getting the crate item. Yes it's a gamble. Yes we give away coupons. Yes we have had (and will still have) some permanent weapons in the coupon exchange. Yes the coupons are nice to get.

However, over the course of the 2.5-3 years the Black Market has been in the game the number of free permanent weapons we have given away has not been very positive for the growth of the game.

Permanent weapons appeal to collectors, but not the average user. The average user is satisfied with a lot less within the game. In fact there is a quote in this very thread:

Thank God I have all the guns I want hahahaha

Because there are so many permanent weapons being given out at any given time this kind of statement is more of a negative than a positive.

What we see is a section of the game that becomes stale over time. People are hording coupons and picking up their permanent weapons and not really exploring other avenues to try new weapons and experiences in the game.

So now we have a few problems. Hording of coupons, people trying to acquire a permanent weapon that isn't the one from the crate and a stale Black Market that hasn't changed in years.

This new system gives access to new content in a bonus way. Crates can still be used to get permanent weapons and they can contain the desirable weapons. But now we can add temporary bonus items to the Coupon Exchange to give people some extra options and more interesting choices.

This new patch will have 2 new coupon weapons in the spot where the psg-1 and awm camo was in. They will be 90 day weapons in this spot.


Changing the weapons no matter what opens up the option for change again, rotating content keeps the game fresh and exciting no matter what the rotation of the content is.

The weapons have been in this area for years. If you weren't going to exchange for them now, you probably weren't going to exchange for them 6 months down the road. But now seeing new content in this area might be more enticing for you to try something new. Instead of just grinding out the next part of the game so you can get the same item everyone else has.


The game has to adapt and change over time, this is just a part of this process. We will continue to announce changes, and we still expect that our permanent section of the Black Market exchange to remain permanent. And we still have some of the largest collections of permanent weapons across all versions.

[GM]Saidin wrote: »

This new patch will have 2 new coupon weapons in the spot where the psg-1 and awm camo was in. They will be 90 day weapons in this spot.

oh wow, thanks for the heads up

Please dont change cupons rewards

[GM]Saidin wrote: »

When you obtain crates you should be doing it for the purposes of getting the crate item. Yes it's a gamble. Yes we give away coupons. Yes we have had (and will still have) some permanent weapons in the coupon exchange. Yes the coupons are nice to get.

However, over the course of the 2.5-3 years the Black Market has been in the game the number of free permanent weapons we have given away has not been very positive for the growth of the game.

Permanent weapons appeal to collectors, but not the average user. The average user is satisfied with a lot less within the game. In fact there is a quote in this very thread:

Because there are so many permanent weapons being given out at any given time this kind of statement is more of a negative than a positive.

What we see is a section of the game that becomes stale over time. People are hording coupons and picking up their permanent weapons and not really exploring other avenues to try new weapons and experiences in the game.

So now we have a few problems. Hording of coupons, people trying to acquire a permanent weapon that isn't the one from the crate and a stale Black Market that hasn't changed in years.

This new system gives access to new content in a bonus way. Crates can still be used to get permanent weapons and they can contain the desirable weapons. But now we can add temporary bonus items to the Coupon Exchange to give people some extra options and more interesting choices.

This new patch will have 2 new coupon weapons in the spot where the psg-1 and awm camo was in. They will be 90 day weapons in this spot.


Changing the weapons no matter what opens up the option for change again, rotating content keeps the game fresh and exciting no matter what the rotation of the content is.

The weapons have been in this area for years. If you weren't going to exchange for them now, you probably weren't going to exchange for them 6 months down the road. But now seeing new content in this area might be more enticing for you to try something new. Instead of just grinding out the next part of the game so you can get the same item everyone else has.


The game has to adapt and change over time, this is just a part of this process. We will continue to announce changes, and we still expect that our permanent section of the Black Market exchange to remain permanent. And we still have some of the largest collections of permanent weapons across all versions.

Changing the Coupon system like this only effects Big ZP spenders negatively.
I've spent $1,400+ on ZP crates in this game and only won 2 ZP BM guns, the only reason I continued to waste hundreds of dollars on this game gambling for ZP guns was because I could at least get something perm with the coupons if I didn't win anything.

When Cost > Reward people stop buying or buy less, basic economics right there.
How much are you willing to spend to get a virtual item forever? (Me, about $100)
How much are you willing to spend to get the same item for 90 days? (Me, about $5)

Before, $100 spent meant at least 1-2 weapons forever.
Now, it is becoming less and less likely that you would get anything at all for $100.

1nsomniac wrote: »

Translation:


C.R.E.A.M.

no.

wait till the interview is uploaded, Saidin explains more on there.

VATAV wrote: »

He explains how making a product less valuable to a customer well still charging the same price is supposed to encourage the customer to spend more money on the less valuable product?

I thought they were just talking about data base questions or something like that. I forget its been a while since i last looked in that thread.

Number 1 is somewhat correct.

What I think is that permanent weapons are being offered too freely in the Black Market. It's much too easy to get 100 coupons. It takes about $150 [which mind you, isn't much] and time. It could easily be obtained by GP Crates [I've gotten 40 coupons in about 500k GP before].

Giving away that many permanent exclusive guns does not look good on the numbers; and most players only aim for one or two permanent ZP guns in their Cross Fire careers. The number of gun collectors already had all of those items ages ago.

The PSG-RD and AWM Camo were guns that were rarely redeemed [I think the count was lower on the PSG-RD than one of the older ZP Mall guns for 90 days], and thus removed.

It's a business, get over it. Money does run things, and it can speak. If this were a charity, everybody would have every gun permanently the second they made an account, but that's not the case.

I love how half the community assumes they know everything, while I would say a fraction of a percent of the community knows what goes on. The patch isn't even out yet, and you're making assumptions.

1nsomniac wrote: »

Sure $150 isn't much at all for a free2play game; it's not like that money could have bought much else :rolleyes: "It's a business" - yep, you said it yourself; looks like we're on common ground there.

I'm pretty sure no one is making the case that Z8 should just give out every weapon for free. Nor is anyone making the case that there should be no permanent weapons at all. It's all about degrees.

As far as things go, it could be worse. Besides, it's a game. And again, it's a business. People like VATAV and I are just stating the facts here. When business decisions are made, people react.

Anyhow, I'm just waiting for them to announce that the M4-Custom Crystal will no longer be obtainable via ribbons :P

Exactly, we are on a common ground. Most in the community can't see past a mirror, they only see themselves. They don't see the following:

-Gun Collectors who are spending coupons on temporary things because they have already gotten all of those items
-People who purchase ZP on a constant basis [not much, mind you, money] and have a steady flow of coupons, who already have all of the coupon items
-People who don't buy coupons and could care less

The above want changes in the coupon system.

Now, let's address this selfishness. Most of the community is mad because of the removal of the PSG-RD and the AWM-Camo, yet when given the choice of exchanging for those, or waiting for the Desert Eagle Gold, M4A1 Gold, AK Gold, or AWM Gold, they'll happily wait for those gold weapons. I did my research, and not once was the PSG-RD recommended above any other gun in the BM. The AWM Camo was for it's convienient factor, and I'll agree that it is unfortunate that it is being removed.

Now, if you're crying now because you aren't able to get the PSG-RD, why didn't you exchange for it ages ago when you had 100 coupons?

It's evident that the community is complaining about something that they would have never purchased in the first place.

The community is hypocritical. I can easily dig up hundreds of posts of "Don't exchange the PSG-RD, it sucks." and will never find a "The PSG-RD is a good gun, I bought it and use it frequently!" but the second it's removed, everybody in the community states, "OMG THEY'RE REMOVING THE PSG-RD. THAT'S SO STUPID, Z8 IS SO GREEDY MAN! THEY ONLY THINK ABOUT THEMSELVES."

The dang gun has been there for almost 3 years. You had your chance. Man up and either get some ZP to get it, or don't get it. It's your choice.

The gun is being removed. End of story.

[MOD]Hi wrote: »

Number 1 is somewhat correct.

What I think is that permanent weapons are being offered too freely in the Black Market. It's much too easy to get 100 coupons. It takes about $150 [which mind you, isn't much] and time. It could easily be obtained by GP Crates [I've gotten 40 coupons in about 500k GP before].

Giving away that many permanent exclusive guns does not look good on the numbers; and most players only aim for one or two permanent ZP guns in their Cross Fire careers. The number of gun collectors already had all of those items ages ago.

The PSG-RD and AWM Camo were guns that were rarely redeemed [I think the count was lower on the PSG-RD than one of the older ZP Mall guns for 90 days], and thus removed.

It's a business, get over it. Money does run things, and it can speak. If this were a charity, everybody would have every gun permanently the second they made an account, but that's not the case.

I love how half the community assumes they know everything, while I would say a fraction of a percent of the community knows what goes on. The patch isn't even out yet, and you're making assumptions.

That is still $150 they spent on this game.
For $150 one could buy a years subscription to another better MMO or buy 3 new console/computer games, 7-30 used/old console/computer games, or even a used console.

Replacing the coupon weapons with temp ones only affects heavy ZP buyers.
The players not spending anything or $10-$20 a month won't notice at all.
But the players spending $100+ a month will quickly stop or reduce their spending.

$1,400+ spent on this game and I only won 2 ZP BM guns, but thanks to coupons I was able to buy 8 coupon weapons. The coupon weapons are the ONLY reason why I continued to spend so much on the BM. With out them I couldn't justify spending $100 a month average on this game.

After I get a Gold Coupon gun I'm done buying any more ZP and many heavy spenders like me have already stopped entirely. This is move only discourages heavy spending on this game. If they wanted to make more money then the temp coupon stuff at 50 coupons and up should have been perm.

[MOD]Hi wrote: »

The PSG-RD and AWM Camo were guns that were rarely redeemed [I think the count was lower on the PSG-RD than one of the older ZP Mall guns for 90 days], and thus removed.

I see a lot more people with the PSG RD / Awm Camo perm than with the shot gun thing and the RX Storm thing at 50 coupons. I've never even seen the shot gun in game before and I highly, highly doubt that it's getting purchased more often than the other guns, such as the PSG RD or AWM Camo.

If youre gonna use the fact that not many people redeemed it to get it removed, you should do the same with those guns then.