Reason why are all the coupon weapons being changed
So, as all of you noticed, z8games decided to change most of the coupon weapons into time limited weapons. And most of the time limited weapons are just piece of poop compared to the weapons we had chance to get before.
I am 90% sure why are they changing these weapons.
#1. Reason: z8games is super uber greedy and they don't want to give players any permanent weapons just to make them buy more ZP.
#2. Reason: There will be 'dramatic' changes in Black Market. You will be guaranteed to get 1 coupon per 1 crate. Which would mean 1 crate = 1 coupon, unless you win permanent prize.
That would look something like this:
Crate is M4A1-Custom
Group A:
Rare: M4A1-Custom (Permanent)
Coupon
Group B:
AWM-A (1 Day), (7 Days)
MP5-A (1 Day), (7 Days)
SG552-C (1 Day), (7 Days)
Group C:
1,000 GP
2,000 GP
5,000 GP
10,000 GP
50,000 GP
100,000 GP
200,000 GP
1,000,000 GP
Each Group represents 1 of those 3 rewards you can win per each crate.
Groups B&C may be changed into other weapons/sprays/whatever, but I think you see my general idea of this.
I am 90% sure why are they changing these weapons.
#1. Reason: z8games is super uber greedy and they don't want to give players any permanent weapons just to make them buy more ZP.
#2. Reason: There will be 'dramatic' changes in Black Market. You will be guaranteed to get 1 coupon per 1 crate. Which would mean 1 crate = 1 coupon, unless you win permanent prize.
That would look something like this:
Crate is M4A1-Custom
Group A:
Rare: M4A1-Custom (Permanent)
Coupon
Group B:
AWM-A (1 Day), (7 Days)
MP5-A (1 Day), (7 Days)
SG552-C (1 Day), (7 Days)
Group C:
1,000 GP
2,000 GP
5,000 GP
10,000 GP
50,000 GP
100,000 GP
200,000 GP
1,000,000 GP
Each Group represents 1 of those 3 rewards you can win per each crate.
Groups B&C may be changed into other weapons/sprays/whatever, but I think you see my general idea of this.
Comments
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Actually a very potent system. I saw such system in many different games, namely CF-EU, S4League and a couple more.GoldCookies wrote: »So, as all of you noticed, z8games decided to change most of the coupon weapons into time limited weapons. And most of the time limited weapons are just piece of poop compared to the weapons we had chance to get before.
I am 90% sure why are they changing these weapons.
#1. Reason: z8games is super uber greedy and they don't want to give players any permanent weapons just to make them buy more ZP.
#2. Reason: There will be 'dramatic' changes in Black Market. You will be guaranteed to get 1 coupon per 1 crate. Which would mean 1 crate = 1 coupon, unless you win permanent prize.
That would look something like this:
Crate is M4A1-Custom
Group A:
Rare: M4A1-Custom (Permanent)
Coupon
Group B:
AWM-A (1 Day), (7 Days)
MP5-A (1 Day), (7 Days)
SG552-C (1 Day), (7 Days)
Group C:
1,000 GP
2,000 GP
5,000 GP
10,000 GP
50,000 GP
100,000 GP
200,000 GP
1,000,000 GP
Each Group represents 1 of those 3 rewards you can win per each crate.
Groups B&C may be changed into other weapons/sprays/whatever, but I think you see my general idea of this. -
It's not 'super uber greedy' for a company to want to make money (they could do a lot of other things to maximise profits, remove a lot of the free stuff etc).
Yes it does seem like they're making it harder to get permanent ZP weapons, but that doesn't really mean that they have to go back to the way it was. Companies do not have to be fair! -
GoldCookies wrote: »Yeah it is taken from 'other' CF version. But I didn't want to mention since z8games doesn't allow to talk about other versions.
I think you can talk about some stuff up to an extent except you can't post content such as pictures/videos etc. -
The system you just wrote there is exactly like CF EU, also in your location it says "European CF" therefore giving me more evidence of the idea that you're basing it off of CF EU.
They are changing the system because people have all of the guns on there, and want change, it is fun to change things around now and again, on what you say of "#1. Reason: z8games is super uber greedy and they don't want to give players any permanent weapons just to make them buy more ZP." this is partly incorrect whilst being correct. Z8Games is a company. Thus meaning that they have to make enough money for the buissness and there shareholders. Also it is not Z8Games whom decide it, it is the devs. -
First off, Z8Games has nothing to do with what guns are in the coupon exchange. That is all done by our developers, who are also the developers for every single other CrossFire version out there.
So your first point is completely wrong there.
Secondly, it's not hard to see why the developers are doing it. As the game progresses people get more and more coupons from crates. What is there left to buy after you get all the permanent weapons. Not to mention that there is already so many permanent. Essentially you also get coupon guns for free. Not many people that I've spoken to buy crates for their coupons, most usually buy a crate that contains the weapon they want because they want that weapon.
Keeping permanent weapons in the coupon exchange is not good for the games life-span either. I don't think I can go into details since Saidin gave us a few numbers, but I'm sure when he's at work he'll come explain it again.
In the end, the coupon exchange is going to most likely be a mix of permanent and temporary weapons. So we are seeing many more temporary weapons come into it, this is because we did not have that many before. We're still going to see the top weapons, such as the gold awm, m4, etc, be there. They're not going to be all taken out.
Also who knows, maybe some of those permanent weapons that are taken out of the coupon exchange can be put in the BP shop later.
Sometimes it might not look like it, but in the end the Developers are doing what is best for the game in the future. If you don't like it, well that's to bad for you. -
First off, Z8Games has nothing to do with what guns are in the coupon exchange. That is all done by our developers, who are also the developers for every single other CrossFire version out there.
So your first point is completely wrong there.
Secondly, it's not hard to see why the developers are doing it. As the game progresses people get more and more coupons from crates. What is there left to buy after you get all the permanent weapons. Not to mention that there is already so many permanent. Essentially you also get coupon guns for free. Not many people that I've spoken to buy crates for their coupons, most usually buy a crate that contains the weapon they want because they want that weapon.
Keeping permanent weapons in the coupon exchange is not good for the games life-span either. I don't think I can go into details since Saidin gave us a few numbers, but I'm sure when he's at work he'll come explain it again.
In the end, the coupon exchange is going to most likely be a mix of permanent and temporary weapons. So we are seeing many more temporary weapons come into it, this is because we did not have that many before. We're still going to see the top weapons, such as the gold awm, m4, etc, be there. They're not going to be all taken out.
Also who knows, maybe some of those permanent weapons that are taken out of the coupon exchange can be put in the BP shop later.
Sometimes it might not look like it, but in the end the Developers are doing what is best for the game in the future. If you don't like it, well that's to bad for you.
Yes, but the time you can use those guns is way to small.
I mean 50 Coupons for a Shotgun. Let us go by the best and say you get these amount of coupons within 50 Zp Crates, which will cost around 35 €.
I know, coupons are a thing like BP, it's a thank you for buying ZP.
But seriosly, 35-70 € [depends on luck, usually more] for 30 days?
I remember the MP5-Adv for 10 Coupons for 90 days.
Through a bug it was 180 days. With the situation from now, I saved 120-230 Coupons (without and with bug bugz -
Yes, but the time you can use those guns is way to small.
I mean 50 Coupons for a Shotgun. Let us go by the best and say you get these amount of coupons within 50 Zp Crates, which will cost around 35 €.
I know, coupons are a thing like BP, it's a thank you for buying ZP.
But seriosly, 35-70 € [depends on luck, usually more] for 30 days?
I remember the MP5-Adv for 10 Coupons for 90 days.
Through a bug it was 180 days. With the situation from now, I saved 120-230 Coupons (without and with bug bugz
I agree here. 50 coupons in my opinion should be at least 90 days. Its like the wrench.... they made that 90 days but not the other guns they recently put in? Doesnt make much sense. -
Like most people, I think it sucks, but there's not much that can be done about it.
I dont think it sucks. Although removing the axe in my opinion was a mistake. There needs to be a way for people to get a decent perm melee without having to spend zp for a temp one. Coupons are ok for melees as they are basically free perks if you buy zp crates. I do think we need a GP melee....nEither a new one to be brought in or simply adding one that we already have to the GP mall. Not something like kukri or shovel something less... Just like the axe is or maybe even a katana, it isnt too OP when you think about it. -
OFC it does sucks. 50/60 coupons for a temporary gun?.. Who are they think they're messing with ...Gh0st_Slay3r wrote: »I dont think it sucks. Although removing the axe in my opinion was a mistake. There needs to be a way for people to get a decent perm melee without having to spend zp for a temp one. Coupons are ok for melees as they are basically free perks if you buy zp crates. I do think we need a GP melee.... Even if it is juts weapon either a new one to be brought in or simply adding one that we already have to the GP mall. Not something like kukri or shovel something less... Just like the axe is or maybe even a katana, it isnt too OP when you think about it. -
OFC it does sucks. 50/60 coupons for a temporary gun?.. Who are they think they're messing with ...
as long as there are still some perm weapons there and they get changed with newer ones now and again I dont see why you think its all that bad? The temps ones are there for if you have all the other guns from the coupons that you want... Say you have 100 coupons and cant buy any more crates but there isnt a perm one there you want. If they were all perm people would be complaining they already have all of the weapons from coupons and have nothing to spend their coupons on without getting duplicate guns.... -
Well it obviously is bad for this simple reason that:Gh0st_Slay3r wrote: »as long as there are still some perm weapons there and they get changed with newer ones now and again I dont see why you think its all that bad? The temps ones are there for if you have all the other guns from the coupons that you want... Say you have 100 coupons and cant buy any more crates but there isnt a perm one there you want. If they were all perm people would be complaining they already have all of the weapons from coupons and have nothing to spend their coupons on without getting duplicate guns....
We had permanent weapons. Patch comes. We have way less permanent weapons. And extremely costly and useless temporary weapons are added instead. -
Gh0st_Slay3r wrote: »If they were all perm people would be complaining they already have all of the weapons from coupons and have nothing to spend their coupons on without getting duplicate guns....Well it obviously is bad for this simple reason that:
We had permanent weapons. Patch comes. We have way less permanent weapons. And extremely costly and useless temporary weapons are added instead.
You seemed to of skipped over that part. -
Kawaii_Neko wrote: »As I mentioned before,
they are now added the crappy zp rent weapons they added each patch into coupon instead because obviously they don't sell much. Now people are "force" to at least consider them.
Apparently, we were not supposed to have permanent weapons in the first place O.o -
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I dunno if any one has said this yet because i'm too lazy to look at previous posts, but has it ever occurred to you that some of us who have most of the coupon guns are happy that they are changing them for new guns.
Basically what i'm trying to say is that the coupon weapons are changing so people that already have most or all of the guns can get more weapons so what they would like. -
aExtinction wrote: »I dunno if any one has said this yet because i'm too lazy to look at previous posts, but has it ever occurred to you that some of us who have most of the coupon guns are happy that they are changing them for new guns.
Basically what i'm trying to say is that the coupon weapons are changing so people that already have most or all of the guns can get more weapons so what they would like.
I also have all of them & 2 of some but it'd be better to change it with something perm or for the cheaper temp weapons to be at above decent. -
GoldCookies wrote: »So, as all of you noticed, z8games decided to change most of the coupon weapons into time limited weapons. And most of the time limited weapons are just piece of poop compared to the weapons we had chance to get before.
I am 90% sure why are they changing these weapons.
#1. Reason: z8games is super uber greedy and they don't want to give players any permanent weapons just to make them buy more ZP.
#2. Reason: There will be 'dramatic' changes in Black Market. You will be guaranteed to get 1 coupon per 1 crate. Which would mean 1 crate = 1 coupon, unless you win permanent prize.
That would look something like this:
Crate is M4A1-Custom
Group A:
Rare: M4A1-Custom (Permanent)
Coupon
Group B:
AWM-A (1 Day), (7 Days)
MP5-A (1 Day), (7 Days)
SG552-C (1 Day), (7 Days)
Group C:
1,000 GP
2,000 GP
5,000 GP
10,000 GP
50,000 GP
100,000 GP
200,000 GP
1,000,000 GP
Each Group represents 1 of those 3 rewards you can win per each crate.
Groups B&C may be changed into other weapons/sprays/whatever, but I think you see my general idea of this.
I like this idea, but it's not going to happen because Z8 would lose a lot if they made almost every crate have a coupon (or the perm gun, but that's like 1/250 crates sooo...).
In addition, if you got a coupon every time, then they wouldn't still be able to spam you with useless sprays and namecards...which are excellent ways to blow money and ZP because they're pretty useless.
Finally, if you haven't realized, there is ALWAYS a guaranteed GP slot, so once again, if they gave you a coupon, they could only rip you off once with a spray/namecard. -
GoldCookies wrote: »#1. Reason: z8games is super uber greedy and they don't want to give players any permanent weapons just to make them buy more ZP.
ok this what i found stupid, why would they do this? Making zp crates is earning them money anyways and to stop giving em perm weapons would bring their profits down. I wouldn't think that is being "super uber greedy." -
Stop complaining. At least we got permanent weapons. Go look at the other versions that came out before us. All their coupon exchange are temporary. Stop complaining so much. Just be glad that we at least were able to get permanent weapons (we can still get permanent coupon items at the moment.) One of the version for example, 100 coupons would get you a golden gun for 90 days.
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