Coupon weapons
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my suggestion: add ALL BM permanent weapons to coupon exchange system and extend that system.
For example, usually we can get M249 (aka Minimi) only from BM crates. My proposal - set the price of coupon exchange 250 coupons for M249. 400 coupons - for Gatling Gun. 120 coupons - for M4A1-E, Kriss. 250 coupons - for M14ebr. All seasonal and SPECIAL weapons like M249-xmas, M4A1-spring, MG-3 - must be owned only from BM crates. Imho, that action can improve collection coupons and reduse crying about "unfair Black Market".
Terrible idea IMO. The Coupon Exchange is meant to be a reward for ZP buyers and to obtain special exclusive weapons that can't be obtained in Crates. Putting in Crate guns would ruin its initial purpose. The BM is not unfair, it is completely based on random luck. Also, if you're putting all these guns in the coupon exchange, what is the point of buying ZP anymore? For coupons only, not for the gun? Because I can guarantee that people are going to buy other crates going for a gun and coupons at the same time thinking, "Oh well if I don't get the gun, it's okay because I'll have enough coupons to get one from the Exchange." Not only would that be bad, but Crate guns are not usually to be easily obtained, adding it to the Exchange would totally corrupt this game.It'd be better if they did the complete opposite. Put special weapons that can only be obtained in the coupon system. It'd make it more into the bonus system that it's meant to be.
My point exactly. I can see we're both looking forward to what's next in the Exchange, huh Rory? =3 -
why did they place 2 times the shotgun and anaconda kind in the coupon list?
They do this often, so it seems. They did this with the Golden weapons too. They had 2 M4A1's, and the Golden AK-47 until they came out with the Golden AWM. That should answer your question kind of: They will replace it eventually.
I hear they are working on the Coupon Exchange. -
yeah i know about m4a1 but that was because they didn't give out the awm gold but they could just let the axe be there and set one shotgun and let the custom be at 50coupons they removed a gun to place the custom there when they didn't have to remove that gun because they moved the custom out to get 2 of those ananconda pistols and they both the same so theres no use to change that part of the shotgun and anancondaThey do this often, so it seems. They did this with the Golden weapons too. They had 2 M4A1's, and the Golden AK-47 until they came out with the Golden AWM. That should answer your question kind of: They will replace it eventually.
I hear they are working on the Coupon Exchange. -
yeah i would say the same like my friend dont win anything and he spented alot of zp and i just buy like 1 crate and i won the gun but my friend could still get like a axe or a m4a1 gold or something nice but no you cant anymore the only good thing of the coupons now is the m4gold ak gold awm gold custom awm camo D.E gold besides those coupons are just kinda bad because you get them but cant get anything goodWhat about people that spend hundreds on BM and win nothing?
The only reason why I continued to spend money on BM was because the coupons meant I could still get something for the money I invested. With the removal of more and more perm stuff from coupons I can no longer justify spending hundreds with the risk of getting nothing from it.
Switching to temp stuff in coupons only really affects heavy spenders.
By making coupons value lower Z8 gives ZP buyers less reason to buy more ZP. With the risk of not winning anything in BM, coupons we're a safe bet to get something useful even if one didn't win anything.
With the change to coupon system right now, I can't justify spending anymore money on this game. I used to spend $100 average a month on this game, I plan to continue playing for a long time so Z8 lost $1,200-$3,600 future revenue from me alone. -
They didn't want people getting the perm axe for coupons.I'm with VATAV on this one since the last patch I've stopped buying zp.I can't justify spending more money just on the miniscule chance that I win a zp crate weapon.
I already won the patriot,m14 and rpk gold(3wins 1200 crates).So why waste more money just for temp items(and the same old m4adv,galil scope,sg552camo,mp5adv etc.etc).It would be greed on my part with a very low chance of getting what i desire.
OT as z8 are gradually removing permanent items from coupons it is highly unlikely they will add these weapons even if it may encourage people like me to buy again. I can't really understand their logic its not as the longevity of this game has many years left to run before the loyal players think OK enough is enough its time to move on IRL and quit gaming or to buy a game for 40euros with better graphics,gameplay and all guns can be acheived by in game rewards based on how much you play not how much you spend. -
well i dont buy any crates anymore but i do think this game gonna be alive for some years but you think about moving on IRL but some just play the game for a few hours and they are kinda older then most its not because you think when your like 23-35 years old that you gonna move on IRL that other people also do that some people get a wife that like to play games and then they play together but its true i dont see why people should spent more zp on crates when they allready have like m4a1 and awm gold and stuff like that because you can just get 4 guns max each game and its not like you change each game rightThey didn't want people getting the perm axe for coupons.I'm with VATAV on this one since the last patch I've stopped buzing zp.I can't justify spending more money just on the miniscule chance that I win a zp crate weapon.
I already won the patriot,m14 and rpk gold(3wins 1200 crates).So why waste more money just for temp items(and the same old m4adv,galil scope,sg552camo,mp5adv etc.etc).It would be greed on my part with a very low chance of getting what i desire.
OT as z8 are gradually removing permanent items from coupons it is highly unlikely they will add these weapons even if it may encourage people like me to buy again. I can't really understand their logic its not as the longevity of this game has many years left to run before the loyal players think OK enough is enolugh its time to move on IRL and quit gaming or to buy a game for 40euros with better graphics,gameplay and all guns can be acheived by in game rewards based on how much you play not how much you spend. -
well i dont buy any crates anymore but i do think this game gonna be alive for some years but you think about moving on IRL but some just play the game for a few hours and they are kinda older then most its not because you think when your like 23-35 years old that you gonna move on IRL that other people also do that some people get a wife that like to play games and then they play together but its true i dont see why people should spent more zp on crates when they allready have like m4a1 and awm gold and stuff like that because you can just get 4 guns max each game and its not like you change each game right
I'm not quite sure you understood my post.I said people will either get on with real life or just buy a game play it online and accumulate all these guns in game by experience alone without the need to spent thousands for some pixelated items.
Oh and BTW I'm older than the examples of age you gave in your post with a kid,flat,job etc.for sure the game will be alive but i don't think so many people will be playing meaning less revenue.I have enough guns now to not need to buy any more zp crates and as somebody who doesn't play every day temp items are useless to me so no point accumulating coupons.So I will stick with the guns I have till either the game dies or I get bored playing.
As an example just look at the metin2 threads.Almost every other thread is of somebody quitting and unlike here most are older players/forumers who stand true to their word. -
I honestly don't mind them switching coupon weapons in and out.
What I mind is that they are replacing something you could keep with something you rent.
For sake of argument, lets assume CF will still be here for at least 5 more years.
Before 60 coupons could get you a very decent weapon for intill the game dies.
Now 60 coupons gets us stuff only for 90 days.
So to match the amount of time the stuff for 90s matches the previous perm stuff you would need to buy the gun 20 times.
Before, gun worth 60 coupons last at least 5 years.
Now, gun worth 60 coupons last 90 days. For 1,200 coupons you could make it last 5 years.
Coupon value fell to 1/20th of its previous value. Something's value is only worth what you can get from it or for it.
The rate coupons are gotten in ZP crates is around 1 for every 3, so about 180 ZP crates to get 60 coupons. About $122 spent. So before a perm 60 coupon weapon would cost $122 to get. Now to get a temp gun for nearly perm amount of time we need to spend $2,440.
$122 = somewhat pricey but got other stuff with it.
$2,440 = So overly expensive that it is not worth it at all.
GodsGunman stopped opening crates because he is at 100 coupons and nothing of value to get.
I stopped buying crates because there is nothing of value to get if I fail to win in crates.
A few others I know also stopped buying crates because it isn't worth it anymore. -
GodsGunman stopped opening crates because he is at 100 coupons and nothing of value to get.
I stopped buying crates because there is nothing of value to get if I fail to win in crates.
A few others I know also stopped buying crates because it isn't worth it anymore.
Agree with what you said and you can add me to that list as well.Maybe after a couple of months and they look at raw data of income showing a decline in zp purchases they change their strategy to common sense and add some new permanent weapons to coupons.But then again I think smilegate call the shots not z8.They probably just have to accept what smilegate decides and try to explain it away with PR.If not it shows z8 are out of touch.
Surely there could be a compromise.I mean with 50 and 60 coupons there is still space to add something permanent.Even if it's an underpowered gun at least its permanent and a challenge. -
well you could add me to that list aswell because once you get those guns what do you have to get then well noting and the wrose is now they change to 90days but like station said later they might change it and they will because most people gonna stop buying zp and then they dont get money of it anymore so i geuss we just have to wait and till it change to perm weapons againI honestly don't mind them switching coupon weapons in and out.
What I mind is that they are replacing something you could keep with something you rent.
For sake of argument, lets assume CF will still be here for at least 5 more years.
Before 60 coupons could get you a very decent weapon for intill the game dies.
Now 60 coupons gets us stuff only for 90 days.
So to match the amount of time the stuff for 90s matches the previous perm stuff you would need to buy the gun 20 times.
Before, gun worth 60 coupons last at least 5 years.
Now, gun worth 60 coupons last 90 days. For 1,200 coupons you could make it last 5 years.
Coupon value fell to 1/20th of its previous value. Something's value is only worth what you can get from it or for it.
The rate coupons are gotten in ZP crates is around 1 for every 3, so about 180 ZP crates to get 60 coupons. About $122 spent. So before a perm 60 coupon weapon would cost $122 to get. Now to get a temp gun for nearly perm amount of time we need to spend $2,440.
$122 = somewhat pricey but got other stuff with it.
$2,440 = So overly expensive that it is not worth it at all.
GodsGunman stopped opening crates because he is at 100 coupons and nothing of value to get.
I stopped buying crates because there is nothing of value to get if I fail to win in crates.
A few others I know also stopped buying crates because it isn't worth it anymore. -
I honestly don't mind them switching coupon weapons in and out.
What I mind is that they are replacing something you could keep with something you rent.
For sake of argument, lets assume CF will still be here for at least 5 more years.
Before 60 coupons could get you a very decent weapon for intill the game dies.
Now 60 coupons gets us stuff only for 90 days.
So to match the amount of time the stuff for 90s matches the previous perm stuff you would need to buy the gun 20 times.
Before, gun worth 60 coupons last at least 5 years.
Now, gun worth 60 coupons last 90 days. For 1,200 coupons you could make it last 5 years.
Coupon value fell to 1/20th of its previous value. Something's value is only worth what you can get from it or for it.
The rate coupons are gotten in ZP crates is around 1 for every 3, so about 180 ZP crates to get 60 coupons. About $122 spent. So before a perm 60 coupon weapon would cost $122 to get. Now to get a temp gun for nearly perm amount of time we need to spend $2,440.
$122 = somewhat pricey but got other stuff with it.
$2,440 = So overly expensive that it is not worth it at all.
GodsGunman stopped opening crates because he is at 100 coupons and nothing of value to get.
I stopped buying crates because there is nothing of value to get if I fail to win in crates.
A few others I know also stopped buying crates because it isn't worth it anymore.
same thoughts with me.
I've had nothing new to buy from coupon exchange but I needed to open royal crates & now I have body & head armor for a year lol. -
well thats usefull stuff but isn't usefull at all as they place 2 times the same gun when they could place something else on itKawaii_Neko wrote: »same thoughts with me.
I've had nothing new to buy from coupon exchange but I needed to open royal crates & now I have body & head armor for a year lol. -
I have max coupons right now too. I'm saving them til the next patch in the off chance a new perm wep is added to one of the higher up slots or new slots are added(120, 125, 150 coupons or w/e). If nothing perm is added I'll probably get a 3rd Gold Deagle so that I can equip 3 fully golden bags but then that'll be it for me. No more ZP buying.
I resisted a mild urge to rent the wrench but I don't want to be one of the people encouraging them to keep up this temporary weapons trend by falling for it and buying their cheesy rentals. So I didn't do it.
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