compensation for a kick from game
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Nope it's fine as it is. IF you change it you'll be doing hackers a favor.
Did you even read all the other posts? I guess you didn't...
Lets take a look to other games again. Modern Warfare 3/2. A hacker that got's kicked from a room keeps his points and k/d. Are there a lot of hackers in MW3? Nope.
So why shouldn't it work in cf? Well they get a lot of kills and exp but they get banned anyway so it doesn't really matter. And as others already said, they don't get kicked anyway. Maybe 2 out of 20 players that got kicked are really hackers.
If you really want to stop people from hacking then do the fcking LT+ only server as many others already requested in threads. Do hardware bans so people can't create new accounts.
There are a lot of ways to stop people from hacking. -
BadMonkey666 wrote: »If you really want to stop people from hacking then do the fcking LT+ only server as many others already requested in thread.
They tried something similiar with UK5 and the server was always empty.So why would it work now.The fact is many LT ranks and higher enjoy killing trainees or low ranks in uk1/2/3 etc its what gets them their high K/D they are so proud of in their sigs. -
People have no sense of logic.
Argument: "well, you'd be doing the hackers a favor!"
Counter: No. The hacker does not give a flying fornication if he gets kicked, he will go in to the next room and continue to cheat. His KDR means nothing. He is cheating because he is enjoying cheating, not to get a good kdr. (generally speaking.)
Argument: "well if it doesnt matter, we should give them everything since they will be banned!"
counter: That is childish logic. You are arguing outside of the perimeters for the argument just to make a point that has no point. The point being made was to state that it did not matter if hackers gained kills after a match, for their KDR means nothing on a banned account. Likewise, if a legit player gets kicked and he is able to keep his kills, that benefits him since he will not get banned.
Argument: "Oh so now hackers will gain benefits from hacking?"
counter: no.....you...you really cannot think ahead of what is in front of you, can you? It is extremely hard to kick a hacker from the game in the first place. Your team wants to win, so they will f12 him. If he is kicked, he will go to the next room and continue. Legit players are receiving the brunt of the kick system. Unlike hackers we have no magic buttons that allow us to get a good kdr every game. The hacker will be banned 'shortly' and his 'benefits' as you call them, will vanish.
Thus saying.... Legit players are being punished for a kick system that did not foresee the abuse it could be used for. The point of OP (minus the GP/EXP gains): Let both parties keep their kills/deaths, for it is not fair to punish both parties when only one party is doing wrong and the other party is innocent. -
They tried something similiar with UK5 and the server was always empty.So why would it work now.The fact is many LT ranks and higher enjoy killing trainees or low ranks in uk1/2/3 etc its what gets them their high K/D they are so proud of in their sigs.
What they tried was stupid, they raised the rank limit to SFC.
Why was it stupid? Well why did some of the users here request a LT+ server? We want a LT+ server because we are tired of playing with noobs that don't know how to defuse a bomb. We also hate playing with hackers.
Well I guess all the LTs know how to defuse a bomb and they also know the basics. I know a lot of noobs that stand like 70 meters away from you and keep spraying and then they complain because they make like no dmg to you. A smart gamer would make single shots in this situation.
So why was the server bad again? Because they raised it to SFC only. Most SFCs are still noobs because it is not hard to reach SFC rank. Also most of the ingame gamers didn't know about that change.
Well your point is right, there are a lot of LTs who like to play with noobs, but there are also a lot LTs who want to play with pros only. -
BadMonkey666 wrote: »What they tried was stupid, they raised the rank limit to SFC.
Why was it stupid? Well why did some of the users here request a LT+ server? We want a LT+ server because we are tired of playing with noobs that don't know how to defuse a bomb. We also hate playing with hackers.
Well I guess all the LTs know how to defuse a bomb and they also know the basics. I know a lot of noobs that stand like 70 meters away from you and keep spraying and then they complain because they make like no dmg to you. A smart gamer would make single shots in this situation.
So why was the server bad again? Because they raised it to SFC only. Most SFCs are still noobs because it is not hard to reach SFC rank. Also most of the ingame gamers didn't know about that change.
Well your point is right, there are a lot of LTs who like to play with noobs, but there are also a lot LTs who want to play with pros only.
Not only was the rank requirement far too low it was also set up to be declared a failure.
They implemented it on a UK server when most of the players requesting it were NA and then they made the rank requirement laughable and even implemented it on a buggy server which didn't really work all that well.
OH and failed to tell anyone about it for like a week. -
BadMonkey666 wrote: »Are there a lot of hackers in MW3? Nope.
Are they lots of hacks for mw3? YUP, im sure you have to pay for that game to..and the cracked versions are full of cheaters that fly and kill you from the sky aimbotingBadMonkey666 wrote: »exp but they get banned anyway so it doesn't really matter. And as others already said,
Get banned? how long? i've reported my self from smiley got banned 3 months later at captin cheating all the way through (in fourmer rooms),pubs,scrimsBadMonkey666 wrote: »then do the fcking LT+ only server as many others already requested in threads
Listen bob, it dosnt take long to reach Golden bar with cheats (4 days max) i've done it with exp + items, high ranked servers ARE almost never used example : UK5 rank limit SFC.
There are ways to get around everything! + they are not allowed to do this.BadMonkey666 wrote: »Do hardware bans so people can't create new accounts. -
Not only was the rank requirement far too low it was also set up to be declared a failure.
They implemented it on a UK server when most of the players requesting it were NA and then they made the rank requirement laughable and even implemented it on a buggy server which didn't really work all that well.
OH and failed to tell anyone about it for like a week.
You really think it would have worked in the NA servers, even if it was still SFC? -
Are they lots of hacks for mw3? YUP, im sure you have to pay for that game to..and the cracked versions are full of cheaters that fly and kill you from the sky aimboting
Well I guess you never played MW3. When you hack in MW3 you have to pay 50$ to play again, there are not a lot of people that risk getting banned.
The cracked version is not full of hackers because you can create dedicated servers in MW3. This means every server has his own administrators. They have to tip "Ban "name of the player"" and he is banned from the server for ever. You rarely see a hacker in MW3, cf is the game that is full of hackers.
Yes you have to pay for the game, like you pay for everything else to. Or do you walk into a shop and just take what you need without paying? Many people worked really hard for that game and they deserve the money.Get banned? how long? i've reported my self from smiley got banned 3 months later at captin cheating all the way through (in fourmer rooms),pubs,scrims
Nope, I don't believe you. When I report people it takes like 1-3 days for them to get banned. I think you lie. If it's true then there would be a lot of hackers with captain rank but there aren't a lot of high rank hackers.
Others can say what they think too, do you guys think he is right?Listen bob, it dosnt take long to reach Golden bar with cheats (4 days max) i've done it with exp + items, high ranked servers ARE almost never used example : UK5 rank limit SFC.
Well if you really did that, then you are just a big noob. Why do you guy exp+ items and then hack if you get banned anyway? Or why do you hack at all? But whatever, I don't trust you, I think you lie.There are ways to get around everything! + they are not allowed to do this.
But it's harder to bypass them. Most of the hackers are to stupid to do the easiest thinks. Just go to some warez forums and read the comments, people don't know how to mount iso's or use no-cd cracks. I'm pretty sure they can't bypass a hardware ban.
Why aren't they allowed to do it? Explain it to me. -
Get banned? how long? i've reported my self from smiley got banned 3 months later at captin cheating all the way through (in fourmer rooms),pubs,scrims
That's the truth right there.
But even so what difference does it make? we have a hacking problem regardless, not awarding exp/gp/kills deaths only rips the legits off. -
as we know, now there are a lot of kickers-noobs in every server and channel.. yesterday i was kicked from different rooms as Ace (or hacker), idk.
My proposal - when player get kick from a room, he must keep his score and bonuses (exp, gp etc.)IN-GAME
Kicking system should be improved: It should be decreased to one per person and still give exp and save the kills/deaths for the kicked one.
Source: http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=198447
Take a look at that thread. -
BadMonkey666 wrote: »I reported many cheaters and they get banned after 2 or 3 days. They don't need 3 months to ban a hacker.
I have a replay for you of some one long knifing across a entire map, would you like to report? he has a honorable soldier ribbon, so it would be easy to tell if he got banned.
Then we can follow the progress. -
BadMonkey666 wrote: »I have better things to do then reporting hackers. Just report him and make a screenshot of the report and then we can check if he gets banned or not.
Already have about 1 month ago, also a speeder like 5 months ago, both remain unbanned.
The trouble is the staff will jump all over the thread with their jackboots if one were made.
And I'm impressed with your success rate of only a few days. -
First off all, could others say something about this? I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one reporting hackers.Already have about 1 month ago, also a speeder like 5 months ago, both remain unbanned.
The trouble is the staff will jump all over the thread with their jackboots if one were made.
And I'm impressed with your success rate of only a few days.
Are you sure you filled the form correctly? Maybe you entered a wrong round and the moderators didn't want to watch them till the end. -
BadMonkey666 wrote: »First off all, could others say something about this? I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one reporting hackers.
Are you sure you filled the form correctly? Maybe you entered a wrong round and the moderators didn't want to watch them till the end.
That is why I wanted you to do it. -
only 1 out of all the guys I reported are banned. Well they don't have their honorable soldier ribbon anymore.
I also reported some guys for insulting me and they lost their honorable soldier ribbon too.
If you read my other posts you will notice that I'm not a big fan of cf. I always say that crossfire sucks but I think they actually ban the hackers. -
BadMonkey666 wrote: »only 1 out of all the guys I reported are banned. Well they don't have their honorable soldier ribbon anymore.
I also reported some guys for insulting me and they lost their honorable soldier ribbon too.
If you read my other posts you will notice that I'm not a big fan of cf. I always say that crossfire sucks but I think they actually ban the hackers.
But you said sometime earler you don't play Cross Fire anymore, correct? -
BadMonkey666 wrote: »only 1 out of all the guys I reported are banned. Well they don't have their honorable soldier ribbon anymore.
TBH I have not seen even 1 banned from a report that I made over many years.
Remember Z8 states a report ban is perma and auto bans are temp and your lose the honorable soldier ribbon in both cases. So if they have played since losing the ribbon it definitely was a temp ban.BadMonkey666 wrote: »I also reported some guys for insulting me and they lost their honorable soldier ribbon too.
Me too and it took only 4 days. -
You should keep your score even when kicked, period.
Hackers gain a very meaningless advantage in the longer run, since they will likely get banned. On the other end, legitimate players will be pleased to at least retain their stats robbed from them by angry immature kids.
Oh.. and if you already hacked in this game, then I suggest you keep quiet. -
as we know, now there are a lot of kickers-noobs in every server and channel.. yesterday i was kicked from different rooms as Ace (or hacker), idk.
My proposal - when player get kick from a room, he must keep his score and bonuses (exp, gp etc.)
I agree. I speak for me what I am always kicked of the rooms, it exists many noobs that like of kick only for amusement. DEF'S
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I don't see why this would help the hackers. They are going to get banned anyway so it doesn't matter if they keep their score or not.
I think one of the GMs should start a new thread. Make a poll which decides of we keep the score or not and if the players want to keep the score you should keep it. We are the players and we should make the rules because we are those who puy the zp. -
So far as I recall farmers don't kick eachother, they simply leave when it says Mission Failed.
Anyways. Of course it would be somehow a good idea to get some exp for the people being kicked without a real reason.
But I wouldn't want the ha-ckers to get a benefit for hacking. Hence: No.
They always kick good-playing people, not their gay-ass farmer friends. -
thehenkieman wrote: »They always kick good-playing people, not their gay-ass farmer friends.
That was not what I mean.
I try to explain it again. There are 3 guys in a room. 1 in GR Team and 2 in BL Team.
The guy in GR team kills the guy in the BL team, but only one of them, not the second one.
If the guy (from BL team) has reached 0-149 his team mate kicks him so the score doesn't count.
Now the farmer from GR team makes the last kill on the second guy in that team.
Now the scores
GR Player one: 150-0
BL Player two: 0-149 but score doesn't counts because he is kicked
BL Player three: 0-1
understand it now?
If we keep the scores after getting kicked then the guy would keep his 0-149 score. This would ruin their farm. -
BadMonkey666 wrote: »I think one of the GMs should start a new thread. Make a poll which decides of we keep the score or not and if the players want to keep the score you should keep it. We are the players and we should make the rules because we are those who puy the zp.
It wouldn't make a difference the majority of CF players are by definition noob.
Look at the MM/HM kick voting thread, where 3000+ noobs said "hell yeah" and like 500 players with functioning brains said no.
All a poll would do is generate the same results, or similar as you'll have a bunch of noobs coming in the thread to vote "no" because "I don't want the hacker (good player to others) getting kill/exp/gp when they are kicked".
Just add up the nay yay's in this thread. -
Yea I know what you mean but if we make the poll it's our fault, we can't blame z8games for it anymore.
It's like manual passing in fifa games. Sometimes when you press the button to pass the computer passes the ball to the wrong player but if you use manual pass you can't blame the game for it anymore. -
Lol
another idea is a kick penalty, the person who illegitimately kicked another will not be given the benefit of the kick option in the menu for a period of time, and repeat offense will result in a kick ban. perhaps the one's who cry 'hak' for illogical reasons will somehow learn from this, as well as the person who votekicked you on your team. -
Stealthlike1 wrote: »another idea is a kick penalty, the person who illegitimately kicked another will not be given the benefit of the kick option in the menu for a period of time, and repeat offense will result in a kick ban. perhaps the one's who cry 'hak' for illogical reasons will somehow learn from this, as well as the person who votekicked you on your team.
Nice, but how would we be able to determine a legitimate kick from an illegitimate kick, for the hackz....
does sound sweet though.
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