Cross Fire Nazi tolerant?
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Thanks for your respond!
Yes, i filed 3 requests, the one i deleted was because i mixed a Clan name up with a wrong organization, so i deleted this one, because it was my fault, and i didnt wanted to bother you or troll you with wrong information.
The other FPS game i refered to i didnt mentiond by full name, because i dont want to advertise other companies on your page, but i can mail you personal the game name and the company. Im beta tester there and i can aswell give you a reference from their officials who banned the Nazis after i reported them .
I know, there is a short time window between the tickets and the post here in the Forum, but this topic is burning on my fingernails, i feel really offended by them.
The Waffen-SS (not luftwaffe or any other Waffengattung) was my topic. This particular part of the German military was responsible for such massive violations and is still some kind of "heroic example" for Neonazis, that their long arm is still present.
Glorifying them is for me an absolute insult, so my reaction might be a little harsh.
I didnt ment to pull out a conflict here, im aware of the fact that you got limited manpower and cannot search the whole time for those ....... (im missing the right words without getting insulting myself)....
So i wantet to point this out and find out what your state of this issue is.
Can i for example call a Clan (HYPOTETICAL) GESTAPO and have an account alled Himmler as leader, would that be legit as long as i dont put out racil words / insult ppl in chats ?
In this case, i can make a political statement, wich leads directly to the message of the Nazis, i create a platform, and i dont give a ...... for other ppls feeling, without getting/fearing any consequences ?
Yes, after struggeling over this romanian clan *Waffen-SS* , wich renamed himself (?deleted? cant tell from here) i searched the Clan list.
I was pretty shocked to see clans from 2009 wich are defnetly Nazi related, so i wanted to clerify the situation.
Im sorry for the community, that noone before bothered to report them to you guys.
So what is the outcome now?
Will offending clan names get forced to cange after reporting? If you could do a Statement here or point it out on the terms of service, that would make the situation clear for ppl founding clans and ppl like me who get mad on Nazis cause of their own family history.
Whenever i ran into some Clans like this, should i report them then with a support ticket and have Nazi-Clans to fear any consequences?
Thats my main point.
Thanks for your time, this is really a major topic for me.
I send you a PM with the announced informations,
regards DerZelter -
I have to agree with Saidin in itself I don't find the name offensive.[GM]Saidin wrote: »However some people find the United States Military to be offensive. Don't forget all the bombings and civilian deaths they have caused, or other armies or what have you. The point is, if we had a nickel for every offensive military or historical themed name out there we probably wouldn't have to charge for zp!
Exactly many people may think calling their clan "USAF" is cool simply because they are the 'good guys'.
However if you were Iraqi I guess you would have a very different opinion of the UNAF. -
ight let me throw this out there. cause ive done alot of research of ww2 german politics and there military. the waffen ss was Elite military army of the ww2 nazi political party.they were constantly competing agaisnt the wehrmacht.This SS division was originated as an elite bodyguard and police staff for the nazi leaders and generals but rose because so many people joined.
the extermination of other ethnics during ww2 was performed by various other SS Groups the waffen ss had there share but not like the others it wasnt as large they were military not affiliated with the camps alot.
the waffen ss was very successful in there battles until there leadership Adolf hitler felt to powerful and made numerous flaws which led to the loss of germany during the war.
im gonna say let them keep the names and this is why.history always favours the victor for they are the ones who write it.the russians killed many people and helped the nazi with poland. but nobody blames them. if you take offense to the clans name IGNORE THEM as long as they obey crossfire rules then i think they should be allowed to keep it.
Tho if a GM or a MOD wants to take it down i will not argue with them. so dont think thats what im doing. its there game they gotta keep it friendly to all people but just keep in mind what i wrote.Peace. -
You can't change history and what actually happened in real life has nothing to do with a video game. Terribly mistaking a game with a real life-threatening situation that killed many people is stupid by definition. I'm talking (writing) now as a doctor, not as a player. There are virtually thousands of youngsters willing to display their wrong behavior inside a game like this one. Meaning that they are intellectually disturbed by a major event that took place a long time ago, they have absolutely no tolerance for it, so they somehow become addicted by such a subject, that at some point they have an extreme urge to disclose it in public (outside manifestations, randomly raging on the streets about something that they don't really understand, usually without any official approval, so they end up being arrested, charging and offending on public spaces and even threatening and harassing others inside a virtual world - Internet). It's a psychiatric disorder and you should normally understand it if you would know what I am talking about. Since you don't, I apologize because it is my job to respect the privacy of the psychiatric diagnosis, so I can't elaborate on such matter furthermore. My advice is to close this thread before it really gets out of hands. We are talking about a video game that has nothing to do with any real life experience, therefor associating in any manner the death of millions real human beings with an online game is simply inaccurate and wrong.
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also have to take in to account that some of those names were probably created by youngins' who have no real sense of the past wars and the only nazis they know of are from video games. This sounds real stupid, but it has to be taken with a grain of salt. For example, mention "My lucky star is shining today!" on a bright clear day outside and see how many people go "there are no stars during the day, lol" (hint, the sun is a star.)
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ive had 20 different names,go figure
If you change your name from F to something else... I'll cry!!!!
(go make new accounts instead
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OT: thanks Saidin.
So just another question then: why is the nazi symbol removed in hakencruz? Was that a G4 request or a Neowiz decision?
I'd bet it had to do with German laws, when the game was offered throughout Europe, which banned all Nazi symbols, slogans and all that.
Off-topic:
Exuent, you're a doctor? Daaaaammmmmmnnnnnnnnnn
Doctor of what? MD? -
here any nazi drwings or graffitti etc is illegal and by z8 games bieng played in our countries you would think it coincide with internation laws they can ban silly things like "noo booom
" cause it says swear with space but you can have race hate names 
im sure they will fix it though
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If you change your name from F to something else... I'll cry!!!!
(go make new accounts instead
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OT: thanks Saidin.
So just another question then: why is the nazi symbol removed in hakencruz? Was that a G4 request or a Neowiz decision?
I'd bet it had to do with German laws, when the game was offered throughout Europe, which banned all Nazi symbols, slogans and all that.
Off-topic:
Exuent, you're a doctor? Daaaaammmmmmnnnnnnnnnn
Doctor of what? MD?
in uk the nazi sign is illegal too and i for one dont like seeing it or seeing nazi names spreading hate filled words when im chillin -
K1IIuminati wrote: »here any nazi drwings or graffitti etc is illegal and by z8 games bieng played in our countries you would think it coincide with internation laws they can ban silly things like "noo booom
" cause it says swear with space but you can have race hate names 
im sure they will fix it though
Specify "here" and specify which international laws.?
Nvm, you said UK. Other question still applies
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its ok seeing the names thaats nothing too bad but racist macros are bad

just change there names to badname1234 then i be happy ^_^
i was suspended from school for drawing there sign "not knowing what it is or the penalty for it" but in uk for doing it then it can be penalty imprisonment or maybe community service
but still its international game and i think nazi's is offending alot of nationalities -
In case someone is wondering what is the Waffen-SS, a military group during WW2:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS
And THIS is why they are allowed to keep their name. Mind you this...http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Waffe
Weapon.
Talon.
Know how many clans have weapon in their name? A lot. Not getting banned.
Know how many MODs have Talon in their name? 1. Not...getting fired? (damn :P)
It's just a word. Until they start rolling around calling people Jews and whatever else could possibly be considered hateful they will remain.
I'm black and I sure as hell haven't had any problems with people screaming 'niqqar' (especially non-Americans...you know, those below Texas haters who lag like Neo dodging bullets in The Matrix...). And one of my clan mates cam on RaidCall (VoIP) saying "NiqqarT*tties" and I had nothing to say about it...'cause apparently he likes "NiqqarT*tties"...who doesn't! -
most stupid thread, guys that is just names, maybe they are just some kids troling.
And you can say that germans are this and that, you have to see the both sides of the history, maybe they have their motives, maybe not.
Who are you to defend the jewds?
Im from South Africa, and im not procteting the germans. -
K1IIuminati wrote: »... you would think it coincide with internation laws ...German Law...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_%C2%A7_86a
...I see nothing there about it being across the entire UK, but then again I don't have the time ATM to go looking.
German law is German law. UK law is UK law.
An international law would be a treaty or an agreement between multiple nations... example: Geneva Convention.
Now again to K1, which international laws?
Or were you mistaken?
Says who?Oh nooeee, Im gonna get banned.
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its an insult for all victims of ww2.
this organization was responsible for so many crimes and violence, there should be no advertisments for them.
Nazis are not tolerable. Last time ppl thought they are no problem, lots of ppl got killed real life....
So question yourself where your position is...
regards, DerZelter
Well, look at what jews are doing now. -
And THIS is why they are allowed to keep their name. Mind you this...http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Waffe
Weapon.
Talon.
Know how many clans have weapon in their name? A lot. Not getting banned.
Know how many MODs have Talon in their name? 1. Not...getting fired? (damn :P)
It's just a word. Until they start rolling around calling people Jews and whatever else could possibly be considered hateful they will remain.
I'm black and I sure as hell haven't had any problems with people screaming 'niqqar' (especially non-Americans...you know, those below Texas haters who lag like Neo dodging bullets in The Matrix...). And one of my clan mates cam on RaidCall (VoIP) saying "NiqqarT*tties" and I had nothing to say about it...'cause apparently he likes "NiqqarT*tties"...who doesn't!
never mentioned anything about "waffen" as a single term....
"waffen" is the german plural of "waffe" and was never subject of my complaint.
"Waffen-SS" is a name of a criminal organisation wich was lead directly by adolf hitler, so its pretty unique.
So there is the direct link. Splitting the term doesnt get you to a smart comment on the topic, sorry for correcting this one.
Besides that, its a commen tactique from neonazis to infiltrate social groups like games, schools, sport clubs to spread their ideas and recruit new ppl for their movement.
Especially young ppl are the target of those people, they see them as primary target because they can usually easy manipulate them.
The statement, that Z8 is not tolerating them, was a major issue for me.
Ignoring nazis is nothing else then supporting them. So im thankfully to hear that Saidin is sensitive to this topic, eaven if it doesnt have high priority.
Whenever i find a clear Neonazi sign, i report respectively speak up.
The Clan wich i struggeld over initially renamed himself, so pulling this to the public already lead to some consequences, wich im happy to see.
Besids that, im happy for everyone who has no need to speak up, because hes not confrontated with those (Neo)Nazi movements, belive it or not, you profit from ppl who speak up.
I aswell respect and appriciate the fact, that Z8 let this discussion go without closing it immedeatly or eaven deleting the post, other forums may have acted diffrent. Respect on this fact, you guys have proven that you touch hot irons !
Regards, DerZelter
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