Ingame Officers from the community for ingame H.ack control
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Not even moderators can just talk to a GM and say, "This person uses chams, I forgot the replay, but ban him anyways!"
It doesn't happen that way. We have to go through the same process that you guys do, getting the replays, and sending them in. The GMs review them and ban if they think they cheat.
The problem with these "ingame officers" is that they're human as well [in addition to all of the other problems suggested]. They have enemies and friends. You can't assume that they won't do anything against the rules, because in a perfect world, there would be no need for these officers anyways.
If in game powers ever come at all, the current moderators will get the powers, and if more people are needed, more moderators will come in. And even then, it won't be the caliber of "!banallingame" because even we are humans. -
There is no way a regular user will ever be trusted enough to tell a GM "This guy is cheating and needs a ban".
So GMs would still have to go through the same reviewing process they do right now, with no benefit at all. Just a third queue the reports come in through.Not even moderators can just talk to a GM and say, "This person uses chams, I forgot the replay, but ban him anyways!"
Don't practice selective reading:rolleyes:
Fast track reporting along with a replay for trusted 'officers', is hardly "GM can you ban pablo he shoots through walls".So GMs would still have to go through the same reviewing process they do right now, with no benefit at all. Just a third queue the reports come in through.
Yes, so you did read it?
They would be reviewing accurate reports of real cheaters that is the point, swiftly clearing up the trash instead of leaving them in game hacking for months. Instead of reports from BR's that say "I no mova in ghosts and wall rack kill my ban him pls".
Which helps your players and the business.Just a third queue the reports come in through.
So mods get a different queue? -
This has nothing to do with liabilityMost regular players don't have the critical thinking required to make a rational call on cheating/not cheating.
You look for legitimacy, not cheating.
(this sounds wrong, but whatever)
Sry, i really dont understand, what u meant to say ? WhoOT ?Being able to trust them would require that they go through the same steps mods do, and first of all being eligible for that.
The screening process would be the same if not harder than for moderators, which is a huge time consuming process during which GMs could ban a couple more cheaters.
Come on dude, did u even read a bit,of whats going on in this thread ? We considered many of the problems u will had with such a suggestion. So we developed a solution, which is absolut save for u, so u dont have to bother a long process of recruitement.
I repeat it again.
1. These assistence just help u to spot the annoying wallshooter faster.
2. They cant ban, they cant do anything without u !
3. They have to send a replay like anyone else does.
4. They just report the absolut obvious h.acker.
5. The only advantage compared to a normal report is that these reports will be checked from u faster.
Ur advantages
1. They will have to give u the time and round, where u can see the use of h.ack at its best, so u can control this replay fast too.
2. So every kind of power will stay in ur hands.
3. The number of these assistence can be limited, the number of replays they can send to u can be limited. U have the full control.
4. U have more eyes on the dancefloor, like some cameras in the channels. Less QQ threads. Less work 4 the ingame mods. Increase of numbers.
5. The obvious god damn fugging lowies who wallshoot in so many rooms will get some fear to get banned faster!
5. MORE PROFIT 4 Z8
Ur disadvantage
1. Their reports have a higher priority. Can be send faster to you, and should be viewed faster than the normal way, of course/ So it could be more work. But even this we have considered. Spent 90, 80 % of your time for normal reports and 10, or 20 % on these reports. And u can limit the reports these assistence can send to you. You can organize them in a hidden Forum.
Summary
And to recruit some experienced player, who can nothing but to send a report ticket in a better way, so it can be checked faster, cant have these high standard of legability. And i cant be so hard to find some players u can trust for such a really low special ability. Please think of the advantages of having more eyes and get over your trust issues. U have the full control, nothing will change that.
So tell me, how these assistence * hand sorted * could abuse any kind of power, which they dont even have. Isnt it more work to close all the QQ threads, all the anger u face every day ? This is just to face the absolut obvious h.acks, which destroy ur trust building work from day to day. And so many think u do nothing to stop the misery. That this is not true is on the other hand. But ingame we see to many of them banging us through walls. See to many text bot for hours merchandise for their h.ack page in channels. -
Not even moderators can just talk to a GM and say, "This person uses chams, I forgot the replay, but ban him anyways!"
It doesn't happen that way. We have to go through the same process that you guys do, getting the replays, and sending them in. The GMs review them and ban if they think they cheat.
Are u kidding me ? There are just 2 gm! Saidin and Fallenangel. They are the only one, who check all the replays ? No wonder this takes years, and doesnt work proper at all.
omfg.. Than u absolutely have to improve the quality of reports u get. -
Are u kidding me ? There are just 2 gm! Saidin and Fallenangel. They are the only one, who check all the replays ? No wonder this takes years, and doesnt work proper at all.
omfg.. Than u absolutely have to improve the quality of reports u get.
Actually there are all these and as you can tell from the clan points/ranks/last play dates these are some of the most dedicated players CF has to offer:p
I know... They are all playing on alternate accounts so hackers won't know that they are actually GM's - Even though nobody knows who they are anyway and even if they saw '[GM]mark' they'd kick him for being a 'fake GM'. -
There is at least a doze office members (to my very 'outside' knowledge) who review replays.Are u kidding me ? There are just 2 gm! Saidin and Fallenangel. They are the only one, who check all the replays ? No wonder this takes years, and doesnt work proper at all.
omfg.. Than u absolutely have to improve the quality of reports u get.
All this suggestion comes down to is:
Another group of people submitting reports.
That its QUALITY reports makes no difference, they have to be reviewed by REAL staff just as well.
That they supply TIME and/or ROUND doesn't matter, they can do that in REGULAR reports.
That some special groups of users submit reports does not in any way change the need for in-game moderation by REAL staff.
Giving a group of users a free pass to get instantly reviewed reports would be an insult to the thousands who would have to do it the normal way. -
So GMs would still have to go through the same reviewing process they do right now, with no benefit at all. Just a third queue the reports come in through.Giving a group of users a free pass to get instantly reviewed reports would be an insult to the thousands who would have to do it the normal way.
Is there a second queue?:D -
http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=10195
This is a list of all mods and GMs. A little larger than just FA and Saidin. And the support team is much, much larger, but that's a G4 thing.
OT:
What is the percieved difference between a regular hack report and a "MODs" report?
If one had to be looking at reports, well, what's the difference?
As Hi said, we have no ingame powers.
One thing that seperates us and the rest is that we are in contact with a GM 24/7, as evident in that thread I've posted on top.
Yes one of our functions as a MOD is to submit hack reports, but we have other responsibilities too, even outside of the game, such as on the forums.
We don't have any second queue, we go through the same system everyone else does.
I guess the next question to ask is: are we discussing here the creation of a second, or third, or even fourth queue?
Mods are not the only ones ingame. GMs also play, sometimes announced, most of the time unannounced.
And we even have you, the regular user, who chooses to complete the reports. -
Giving a group of users a free pass to get instantly reviewed reports would be an insult to the thousands who would have to do it the normal way.
Why would that be? Looking at the 'thousands' every day clearly proves that the vast majority of people can't tell the difference. If you let people who can tell the difference to be reviewed first, that's just more efficient.
Especially if you provide an incentive to only have correct reports. E.g. X number of bad reports gets you kicked from insta-review. -
Why would that be? Looking at the 'thousands' every day clearly proves that the vast majority of people can't tell the difference. If you let people who can tell the difference to be reviewed first, that's just more efficient.
And there's also efficiency for regular reporters because once someone is caught hacking in the fast-track manner then that person reports can be removed from the regular list of reports, thus reducing the amount of reports.
Many, many people could have reported just one guy for example. -
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFfffffffffffffffffffffffffff .....There is at least a doze office members (to my very 'outside' knowledge) who review replays.
xd, just a misunderstanding, anyway i wasn´t really surprised. Idk why, So there many office member for that trustworthy work... nice to know.All this suggestion comes down to is:
Another group of people submitting reports.
That its QUALITY reports makes no difference, they have to be reviewed by REAL staff just as well.
That they supply TIME and/or ROUND doesn't matter, they can do that in REGULAR reports.
That some special groups of users submit reports does not in any way change the need for in-game moderation by REAL staff.
Giving a group of users a free pass to get instantly reviewed reports would be an insult to the thousands who would have to do it the normal way.
All this.. well i get it. Its senseless to discuss anything regarding this matter. The mods will never get over their trust issues. This answer made me laugh about 5 minutes:
!Its unfair to all the normal reports, its even insulting them !
Absolutely true, its really unfair to have a fast way to get rid of a obvious h.acker for the sake of all legit player. I would even say, its unfair to the normal reported h.acker, who can play and cruel legit player much longer.
This is absurd as it can get. Unfair is it to h.ack, not get the job of get rid of them done in a better way. It wouldnt insult any other player at all, they would be happy that one more dumbhole has left the servers.. And a normal report has no feelings, players have feelings, especially frustration about the situation.
...... i better shut up... before i lose my ribbon for insulting.
I am not curious about the fact at all, that legit and skilled players leave this game or get a third party to defend themselves for beeing a cow, if its needed. The situation doesnt and will not get better, and this idea aimed for a better report system and a more effective report system. Cause the current is too slow and overflooded with wrong reports...
Anyway, i am not Don quichotte and will not waste my time anymore. I dont belive anzthing can change.
At all the ingame mods, i hope u get ur job done in the near future, and will increase ur numbers. To less people 4 all the work. Please visit the uk clan war and the uk 4 channels more than at the moment. Show some presence. In every game a wallbanger appears.
I surrender. Ignorance win. I am out.
Congrats..
Thx to u chimp, u really made my day. Paplo and the ghost mode report was really fun. Also thx to philibear, u had some really good suggestion who made sense. U are also right, it was ridicilolus to think that players a intelligent and trustworthy enough to help out..
The answer was just . no ., as u said. Everything is fine, all is perfect. -
xd, just a misunderstanding, anyway i wasn´t really surprised. Idk why, So there many office member for that trustworthy work... nice to know.
All this.. well i get it. Its senseless to discuss anything regarding this matter. The mods will never get over their trust issues. This answer made me laugh about 5 minutes:
!Its unfair to all the normal reports, its even insulting them !
Absolutely true, its really unfair to have a fast way to get rid of a obvious h.acker for the sake of all legit player. I would even say, its unfair to the normal reported h.acker, who can play and cruel legit player much longer.
This is absurd as it can get. Unfair is it to h.ack, not get the job of get rid of them done in a better way. It wouldnt insult any other player at all, they would be happy that one more dumbhole has left the servers.. And a normal report has no feelings, players have feelings, especially frustration about the situation.
...... i better shut up... before i lose my ribbon for insulting.
I am not curious about the fact at all, that legit and skilled players leave this game or get a third party to defend themselves for beeing a cow, if its needed. The situation doesnt and will not get better, and this idea aimed for a better report system and a more effective report system. Cause the current is too slow and overflooded with wrong reports...
Anyway, i am not Don quichotte and will not waste my time anymore. I dont belive anzthing can change.
At all the ingame mods, i hope u get ur job done in the near future, and will increase ur numbers. To less people 4 all the work. Please visit the uk clan war and the uk 4 channels more than at the moment. Show some presence. In every game a wallbanger appears.
I surrender. Ignorance win. I am out.
Congrats..
Thx to u chimp, u really made my day. Paplo and the ghost mode report was really fun. Also thx to philibear, u had some really good suggestion who made sense. U are also right, it was ridicilolus to think that players a intelligent and trustworthy enough to help out..
The answer was just . no ., as u said. Everything is fine, all is perfect.
Ribbon .......? -
Why would that be? Looking at the 'thousands' every day clearly proves that the vast majority of people can't tell the difference. If you let people who can tell the difference to be reviewed first, that's just more efficient.
Especially if you provide an incentive to only have correct reports. E.g. X number of bad reports gets you kicked from insta-review.
Thousands as in thousands of people reporting of course, not thousands of reports per day.
One would think that was clear, but then again I have no statistics for reports per day.
Maintaining a secondary queue and regulating who gets to put reports in it is just extra work.
If every report is legitimate then it would of course make it more efficient, but that doesn't happen.
@guy whos name I can't remember: This has nothing to do with trust issues from moderators.
Granted I have no faith in this idea, but that is simply because I have no faith in the intelligence of others - a very personal value.
It comes down to what the GMs think, and we're closely connected to them.
In this instance, which HAS been discussed on a higher level several times, the downsides have always ended up outweighing the most hypothetical upsides. -
If every report is legitimate then it would of course make it more efficient, but that doesn't happen.
Exactly, but that could happen. Here are some ways that can be achieved.
1) Have a strike rule, send in 3 wrong reports, your out.
2) Keep the group small at first
3) Tell them to only report the most obvious of hacks. E.g. Guy is clearly shooting everyone from spawn to spawn etc, walking through walls.
4) Or restrict people to only send in reports of 1 type of hack.
I doubt it would be impossibly hard to achieve that. I know at least 10 people who know most of the places where it is possible to shoot through walls and can easily tell if their hacking or not. -
http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=10195
This is a list of all mods and GMs. A little larger than just FA and Saidin. And the support team is much, much larger, but that's a G4 thing.
OT:
What is the percieved difference between a regular hack report and a "MODs" report?
If one had to be looking at reports, well, what's the difference?
As Hi said, we have no ingame powers.
One thing that seperates us and the rest is that we are in contact with a GM 24/7, as evident in that thread I've posted on top.
Yes one of our functions as a MOD is to submit hack reports, but we have other responsibilities too, even outside of the game, such as on the forums.
We don't have any second queue, we go through the same system everyone else does.
I guess the next question to ask is: are we discussing here the creation of a second, or third, or even fourth queue?
Mods are not the only ones ingame. GMs also play, sometimes announced, most of the time unannounced.
And we even have you, the regular user, who chooses to complete the reports.Thousands as in thousands of people reporting of course, not thousands of reports per day.
One would think that was clear, but then again I have no statistics for reports per day.
Maintaining a secondary queue and regulating who gets to put reports in it is just extra work.
If every report is legitimate then it would of course make it more efficient, but that doesn't happen.
@guy whos name I can't remember: This has nothing to do with trust issues from moderators.
Granted I have no faith in this idea, but that is simply because I have no faith in the intelligence of others - a very personal value.
It comes down to what the GMs think, and we're closely connected to them.
In this instance, which HAS been discussed on a higher level several times, the downsides have always ended up outweighing the most hypothetical upsides.
Just name the downsides, i asked for it pages ago. Of course i understand, if someone has to handle with guys like twinkie and tasty everyday, will think he is einstein.
But again, dont tell me a mod didnt have a higher priority in reports. The ign will be submitted with the report. So the reports of the mods already get watched faster than others. Cause the system recogniye the special ign ! The database can be configured with the ign and can easily configured to new ign. There is no need for a another queue at all. One queue has all possibilities we need.
So dont tell me that reports from ingame mods are fast as a normal reports. Thats not the problem, u are not open minded to this matter. Thats for granted, u even admit that. At least I like that honesty.Exactly, but that could happen. Here are some ways that can be achieved.
1) Have a strike rule, send in 3 wrong reports, your out.
2) Keep the group small at first
3) Tell them to only report the most obvious of hacks. E.g. Guy is clearly shooting everyone from spawn to spawn etc, walking through walls.
4) Or restrict people to only send in reports of 1 type of hack.
I doubt it would be impossibly hard to achieve that. I know at least 10 people who know most of the places where it is possible to shoot through walls and can easily tell if their hacking or not.
Give it up, it doesnt have to do with logical reasons. Everyone with a common sense could easy figure out, how it could work. There are trust issues and thats the only downside of this solution. A gm said "no" once in a time. Because of it, this answer will repeated b the mods till Armageddon.
Just look at the answers, for example
No suggester talks about ingame bans anymore. Cause its easy to understand that could abused.
We dont talk about detecting smart h.ackers through priority, cause false reports could happen. Seriously every monkey can detect a obvious h.ack and we (suggesters) already said it will additionally happen from experienced players. From a controlled group, limited size, limited reports. I think they are afraid that this could have a great success rate.
I still wait for a reasonable downside ! And i know its a fact, that i could wait a 1000 years for it, cause u cant deny the advantages of legitimate reports of the most annoying h.ackers ingame. Especially it would spread some fear to get banned easier in game, if u cheat. -
Geez.
I don't decide these things, I'm just a forum mod.
Just saying how I see it.
If a GM decides that its a great idea and wants to implement it, so be it.
It doesn't interest me. Simple as that.
(also I don't work for G4/"Z8", the company I work for has nothing to do with this game.) -
Than saidan maybe take a look,
and tell us the downside, cause i am unable to let go of it. Maybe the thinktank of the community can even find a solution of ur concerns, too.
Some game after xtrap update, i got stalked from a wallshooter again.
After 3 ragequits he still farmed on different tdms, till he finally in the 3 tdm got kicked. I just can imagine, how it would be if someone would be around, who could do a faster report. Ans some ingame prevention could be taken. -
If z8games could select a group of volunteers from the forum, and the group are skilled, legit, mature, this can be a good method. Just gave this group more power in game, like room administrator, they can kick players in game without vote (but in this case they need to send a hacker report). The performance can be evaluated by the review result, so if some one has not reached the required point in a given period, they can be replaced by other volunteers.
There are no special tag for them, so no one knows who is the administer, hackers will continue to hack till they are kicked and reported.
We need a method to send a general message that any game administer can read it. So that if we found a hacker in game and vote failed, we type sos to call the administrator to come. Administer may come to investigate the game (even the room is full).
If administrator need to have right to ban is a sensitive problem when the account is about money and who issue the ban is just a volunteer. However, adjust the ban rule can go over it.
For each ban, when player trying to login the game, he will get a notice. He can send a ticket for further review in a week's time after he get the notice, given that during an volunteer ban or kick, his replay file is saved automatically into a certain folder when the kick and ban happens. He can submit this file as the evidence.
The weak part is the schedule, they can not evenly distributed in time slot. So late night gamer still need to face hackers.
Z8 can rewards them in many different ways. One simplest is a special ribbon. So whenever you let into player profile, you can see someone with a ribbon says, retired and outstanding administrator. This is a special honor. It includes many things. -
@ arch
nope, we keep it a simple and easy, it can gets. No ban etc, no special modification. We just use the tools we already have. Read more about this thread u will understand the reason.. and still..Bacider wrote:
Saidin tell us the downside of this matter *just read page 7-8!*, cause i am unable to let go of it. Maybe the thinktank of the community can even find a solution of ur concerns, too.
Explain why this cant be possible, it could help so much! -
@ arch
nope, we keep it a simple and easy, it can gets. No ban etc, no special modification. We just use the tools we already have. Read more about this thread u will understand the reason.. and still..
When you related the problem with $$$$, Saidin will be mad
Even the MoD don't have salary, so how to compete.
Ribbon XP, GP might be acceptable, but z8 might would NOT like it because a new ribbon, even without price, can be converted to a seudo crystal m4A1, so players has to pay to get zp ribbon to acquire it.
But as I always say, they need to motivate more to fight hacker with them, otherwise, by telling that they are taking care of it, forbidding QQ thread, using they are not the owner of the game, antihacking, etc as excuse would not save it from a title "hackers' heaven" ---- you see, we will soon be pushed into password protected game with our friends and clan mates and dare not to join the open room. -
Let's see....OT:
What is the percieved difference between a regular hack report and a "MODs" report?
If one had to be looking at reports, well, what's the difference?
We don't have any second queue, we go through the same system everyone else does.
I guess the next question to ask is: are we discussing here the creation of a second, or third, or even fourth queue?
Okay, so if Z8 decides not to trust regular players, what stops them from giving the suggested priority report option to the MODs? I mean, if they thought you couldn't tell apart an obvious hacker and a guy that never played an FPS in his life, they wouldn't have made you MOD. How about extending that trust in your intellectual capabilities to something like the suggested priority report? Bacider suggested 12 officers, you have 10,5 MODs (you're still on probation, so you only count half
). So as far as the numbers go, you would fit pretty well in the plan.
You ask about the difference between a hack report from a regular and a MOD: I believe it's safe to assume that the percentage of correct reports from MODs is higher than that of regulars. There is thus less chance that the reviewing of a MOD report turns out to be wasted time. If the support team can only watch between x and y reports each day, what exactly would be the downside of granting the reports with a higher chance of being correct a faster processing?
- Would it result in the normal reports getting behind even further? Yes and no: on one hand there would be a slower processing of the normal reports, due to a set amount of priority reports being reviewed each day. But then again, the line for normal reports will already be shortened by the simple fact that all those priority reports are no longer appearing in that line. Also, as stated several times in this thread, reports in the regular queue that deal with people already banned can be deleted. You might say that this would also happen when they are banned due to a report in the regular queue, but because processing the priority reports should have a higher percentage of correct reports, hackers can be banned faster and duplicate reports can be deleted faster. So overall answer: No, granting MOD reports some priority will not result in the regular reports falling further behind.
- Would it result in a faster banning of cheaters? If we assume again that MODs are correct more often in their reports than the average regular, yes, this method will provide a faster banning. If you can review more reports that are more likely to be correct, the percentage of hackers found in those x-y reports that are handled daily will rise.Most regular players don't have the critical thinking required to make a rational call on cheating/not cheating.
As you may have noticed in the rest of the thread, we have always spoken of "a small group", with strict requirements. I know that most regular players are completely unaware of what the most obvious of hacks look like, but that does not mean that you can't find at least 12 people with a properly working brain.... There was also agreed upon only using this priority report for "obvious hacks", so that it would be certain that the priority reports would not be a waste of time.
I don't care whether the priority report is granted to regular players, MODs or my grandma. As long as they file reports that are for (almost) 100% correct, I can see more benefits than downsides to this idea. Again, if Z8 does not trust the regulars, let them present this reporting method to the MODs. That would also eliminate your 'screening process'-argument, since the MODs are already chosen.
If you can't assume that ingame officers won't do anything against the rules, you also can't assume that of MODs. Yet MODs do get trust from the GMs and also get chosen by the GMs. If you give people a different title and some other privileges, will it make them less reliable, just because they are named "officer" and not "moderator"? No. If a MOD steps out of line, he loses his title and privileges. If an officer would step out of line, he would lose his title and privileges. I don't see on what you are basing your argument that people with a different title would be less trustworthy than those with the MOD-title. All MODs were once regulars as well.The problem with these "ingame officers" is that they're human as well [in addition to all of the other problems suggested]. They have enemies and friends. You can't assume that they won't do anything against the rules, because in a perfect world, there would be no need for these officers anyways.
If in game powers ever come at all, the current moderators will get the powers, and if more people are needed, more moderators will come in. And even then, it won't be the caliber of "!banallingame" because even we are humans.
As I said, I wouldn't mind if they gave the MODs the priority report privilege.All this suggestion comes down to is:
Another group of people submitting reports.
That its QUALITY reports makes no difference, they have to be reviewed by REAL staff just as well.
That some special groups of users submit reports does not in any way change the need for in-game moderation by REAL staff.
Giving a group of users a free pass to get instantly reviewed reports would be an insult to the thousands who would have to do it the normal way.
1) No, it would be the same people that now report as well, their reports would just be handled faster.
2) More quality reports on a day = more hackers banned on a day. Ofcourse they have to be reviewed by real staff. Does that change anything about the fact that reviewing X reports that are almost certainly correct instead of X reports that are in no way guaranteed to be correct, increases your chances of banning more hackers on one day? ... No, it does not.
3) Nobody mentioned removing in-game moderation by real staff.
4) I'm becoming repetitive here: if you don't want regulars to have priority reports, let the MODs have it. Or would that also be insulting to everyone that doesn't have a MOD tag?
1) A second queue should not be too hard to handle, especially not if it is a privilege for MODs.Maintaining a secondary queue and regulating who gets to put reports in it is just extra work.
If every report is legitimate then it would of course make it more efficient, but that doesn't happen.
@guy whos name I can't remember: This has nothing to do with trust issues from moderators.
Granted I have no faith in this idea, but that is simply because I have no faith in the intelligence of others - a very personal value.
It comes down to what the GMs think, and we're closely connected to them.
In this instance, which HAS been discussed on a higher level several times, the downsides have always ended up outweighing the most hypothetical upsides.
For those that already got the point, feel free to skip the text until the next quote, I will only repeat things I already said earlier in the post.
2) To ensure that all of the reports are legit, the priority report system is only to be used for obvious hacks (as said many times in this thread).
3) Considering you have no faith in the intelligence of others, I assume you do have faith in your own intelligence... So it is reasonable to assume that you are capable of spotting an obvious hacker, right? You have no faith in this idea, because you know we're all as smart as the backside of a donkey. So if we would leave this privilege to you and the other MODs, would you have faith in it?
4) Once again, if you are already close to the GMs, what stops you from trying this? Give it a testrun and you can easily see if the hypothetical downsides do indeed outweigh the hypothetical upsides.
No, no in-game powers. Just the ability to have their reports viewed faster. If you start giving them all kind of in-game powers, they will become harder to control and they would have more chances of abusing things.Just gave this group more power in game, like room administrator, they can kick players in game without vote -
I wouldn't spend a second on it, but if other mods feel like it, by all means.
Yes, it is just a discussion. If it is feasible or not is not certain. And the final decision is not on MOD.
Therefore, if you don't like it, just act as normal forum member please. Give you thought or just keep silence. -
I would have quoted the person to whom my post was directed but it was a wall of text and I'm very lazy.Yes, it is just a discussion. If it is feasible or not is not certain. And the final decision is not on MOD.
Therefore, if you don't like it, just act as normal forum member please. Give you thought or just keep silence.
Yes, as I said and as you so helpfully also said two days later, this has nothing to do with moderators, its a GM decision.
But of course, any moderator can tell you that this has been considered and rejected multiple times. -
We are all aware of the h.ack situation and those who play legit know what a mess it is at the moment. Especially at clan wars u can see so many tricky Hackers trough the new clan competion. They are so many wallers at the moment, that everyone is suspicious. U cant trust anyone. More and more legit players leave this game, cause they have enough of this crap.
The experience of the last 3 years show us that a anti h.ack system is unable to advance as fast as new h.acks. The report system also is too slow to avoid the situation or ist not avaible in ffa or in clan wars. The kick vote system is the only way in public to get ride of them, but u know how often u still lose cause the vote system is too slow, or the opponents dont vote. And how many of skilled players love it to get kicked 4 nothing.
At clan wars the situation gets worse at the moment. Its not so that the h.acker do wallshoots, what i mean are obvious ha.cks. They just use no recoil, see through wall, or a bot. They get tricky and smart and u just can see their third party in the replay afterwards. And u can report and report and report, honestly it doesnt get better. Today a h.cker spawned at our side *teleport h.ack* with full program and killed us in an instant. U could say, just report. U know what, we all leaved and had no replay.
The only way, and i mean the really last chance to secure this game from getting destroyed like cs1.6 is to obtain more power to legit players. A at the moment a almost useless bureaucracy report system is incapable to have a impact on the situation.
There are still enough proven and legit players, who have enough experience to difference between h.ack and skill, are tolerant to all countries and just want a fair competion. These player even dont want to get money or a benefit support a clean game.
This game need ingame officers, people who can faster detect a h.acker than any software. Give players in a room the comfort for respect a skilled plazer without a suspicion.
And at least, they are cheaper for u z8 than an anti. hack software. More effective in getting ride of them, and u will get more earning cause players dont leave this game and new plazers will come.
Well, u have to trust the community and players. U have to choice them.
But please get ingame officers to the game for competion, a better salary for z8 management.
and at least more fun 4 everyone. please understand this is a win win situation for everyone (ok well the noob h.acker and programmersa re not winning trough this improvment securement)
Well i hope someone read it..
cy in a fair game
TheBacider
You managed to write the word "hack" correctly by mistake Congaz -
But of course, any moderator can tell you that this has been considered and rejected multiple times.
Just wondering, if any mod could have told us this, why is it that the first time a mod even mentions that "it has been discussed" appears only in the 7th mod post in this thread? Or why is it that it appears as last of your arguments, right before you "lost interest"?
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