Banned from server
I just lol'd at this myself as I don't know if this is a totally stupid idea or w/e. Anyway..
You, the staff, obviously don't want to IP bann from what I've heard. But you must have the abilities to be able to see which server the hack was used on. Since when someone sends a report with the time, proof and all you've got to have that figured out. So then when you know which server the hacker was playing on, he doesn't only get banned for a week [or w/e it is for hacking] but he also get banned PERM at the server he was using the hacks on. Then it would lead to this;
Two choices. Stop hacking. Or. Keep on hacking but you'll know this, your options is running low..
You, the staff, obviously don't want to IP bann from what I've heard. But you must have the abilities to be able to see which server the hack was used on. Since when someone sends a report with the time, proof and all you've got to have that figured out. So then when you know which server the hacker was playing on, he doesn't only get banned for a week [or w/e it is for hacking] but he also get banned PERM at the server he was using the hacks on. Then it would lead to this;
Two choices. Stop hacking. Or. Keep on hacking but you'll know this, your options is running low..
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Giggletron wrote: »Who did you hear that from.. Some random kid?
A search here TELLS you they DO IP ban.
Id rather an account be banned than it banned from a server......
A report ban is perm.
No.. I've seen several threads begging for the staff to start doing IP bann. But then I've heard from mods that the GM's are doing this, not in the first hand though.. -
Giggletron wrote: »Id rather an account be banned than it banned from a server......
A closed account just prevents that player from playing on that account, they can easily register another in 20 seconds.
Being IP banned from a server on the other hand will give that player a very strong indication that they ought to play legit as soon they will have no servers to play on - Being banned from the server they hacked on is a fitting punishment, a long I would hope with account closure.
So basically when they do the 20 second registration and get their new account they still won't be able to play on the server they was banned from say Alpha. -
IP bans are stupid.
You can change your IP in like 10 or 5 seconds. Some Countries have dynamic ips. That means that more people use the same ip. If one of them get banned, others can get banned too.
What would you say if you try to log in but they say that your IP is banned but that guy who cheated has a new IP and he can play but you cannot play. -
BadMonkey666 wrote: »IP bans are stupid.
You can change your IP in like 10 or 5 seconds.
They are better than simply closing accounts for sure, as they will stop most cheaters from accessing the game to hack again. Even if one noob gets banned because he hacked and doesn't know how to evade an IP ban is one less hacker.BadMonkey666 wrote: »Some Countries have dynamic ips. That means that more people use the same ip. If one of them get banned, others can get banned too.
What would you say if you try to log in but they say that your IP is banned but that guy who cheated has a new IP and he can play but you cannot play.
Well I'd refer you to:BadMonkey666 wrote: »IP bans are stupid.
You can change your IP in like 10 or 5 seconds. -
No.. I've seen several threads begging for the staff to start doing IP bann. But then I've heard from mods that the GM's are doing this, not in the first hand though..
I don't know where you've been looking then. Both as Moderators and Administrators we've stated officially and clearly that IP bans are done, and on a regular basis.
The problem is, anyone with even the slightest computer knowledge can easily get around IP bans, whether it be changing your IP, or hiding your IP with a program.
PS: When a cheater is temp banned, it is the Auto-ban system. All cheaters who'm are reported are permanently banned. And no one is ever only banned from one server, their account is banned from the game.RascalMisfit wrote: »Ban the MAC address. Simple.
No, it's really not that simple. It's simple as in keeping the people out, yes. But as in being able and allowed to MAC ban? No. -
PS: When a cheater is temp banned, it is the Auto-ban system. All cheaters who'm are reported are permanently banned. And no one is ever only banned from one server, their account is banned from the game.
I lost my "Honorable Soldier" ribbon in the late 2010 for hacking. I had recently started playing so I ignored the ban. But the truth is I have never used any kind of illegal program for this game, ever. So if the Auto-ban system do temporary bans and I was temporary banned. How the ---- do you explain that?
I've already said this in the support center and this is what they say:
We are sorry, your account had been closed due to hacking on 2010-12-05, we are unable to restore the ribbon due to hacking related ban.
If any of the GM's see this I can tell you this;
When I say that I have not used any illegal program for this game, I mean it. I could go to court with this, because I am 100% sure of it. I dare you to find any sign of me hacking. Because you know what, the only thing you'll find is a legit player. This means the auto-ban system is ----. Or at least was. But since I've already contacted you on the support center, there's nothing I can do. But please. Hear me on this. I'm a legit player. I don't use hacks. I've never used hack. I will never use hacks. -
I lost my "Honorable Soldier" ribbon in the late 2010 for hacking. I had recently started playing so I ignored the ban. But the truth is I have never used any kind of illegal program for this game, ever. So if the Auto-ban system do temporary bans and I was temporary banned.
I cannot remember the exact time the auto-ban system was put in place. I can however pull examples where in the early stages of the auto-ban system that there were people who'm were clearly knew did not cheat, and they ran into issues with it. This is one of the main reasons the auto-ban system is a temp ban. More than 95% of the time it is correct, however it still has that small chance of picking up something running on your computer that it is looking for. This does not mean you were using it exactly in our game of CrossFire. (This was in the early stages of course, and iirc it has been adjusted to try to ensure the program was being used in game).
Also, keep in mind. You can lose your honorable soldier ribbon for more reasons than just cheating. Any account investigation can result in you losing your ribbon.When I say that I have not used any illegal program for this game, I mean it. I could go to court with this,
No, you really couldn't. I suggest you even know something about law and the laws of private companies. They could ban you for whatever they wanted. When you accept the terms of service, you're in their control. The account is theirs not yours. You don't own the account at all. Even if you purchase Zp.
They let you play on their property. They're allowed to do what they want with their property. However, they only suspend the use of their property to you if you break or are in suspicion of breaking their ToS because that's how games work.
Can you go to court because someone banned you on their CSS server? No. Can you go to court because someone banned you off their Disney fan website? No. Can you go to court because someone ripped the head off their teddy bear and you wanted to play with it? No. It's not yours, and Z8Games has the right to do whatever they want with their property. It's theirs. Of course they're not going to ban you for nothing, that would turn them into a corrupt company and the game would be gone. Not to mention it'd be clearly out of morals.
PS: Z8Games does mean G4Box in this case.
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Here's something that if you even tried to bring up a court case would make you lose in the first minute.
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As I quoted from the support center, I were banned for 'hacking'.
So I guess I'm one of the 5% that doesn't get fair bans. This doesn't change anything. The system fails sometimes. I still was unfair banned.
And for your information when I said 'I could go with court with this' it was meant as an expresion to show how serious I am when I say that I've never used any hacks. Sorry if you misunderstood me. I wouldn't literally go to court with this. To much trouble for a ribbon, lol. Anyway..
There's nothing for me to do obviously. I can't get it back since I was 'hacking' and they can't prove the opposite. -
I mean it. I could go to court with this,
Just to add on to what Rex is saying.
When you agreed to the Terms and Conditions prior to creating an account, you also agreed to it's indemnity:
Indemnity
You agree to indemnify and hold harmless Z8Games and its agents, employees, representatives, licensors, affiliates, parents and subsidiaries from and against any and all claims, losses, demands, causes of action and judgments (including attorney's fees and court costs) arising from or relating to your use of the Content or the Service, including, without limitation, allowing others to use your Member name, password and/or account.
Your only choice if you do not agree with the ToS is to discontinue using the site and products. -
Just to add on to what Rex is saying.
When you agreed to the Terms and Conditions prior to creating an account, you also agreed to it's indemnity:
Indemnity
You agree to indemnify and hold harmless Z8Games and its agents, employees, representatives, licensors, affiliates, parents and subsidiaries from and against any and all claims, losses, demands, causes of action and judgments (including attorney's fees and court costs) arising from or relating to your use of the Content or the Service, including, without limitation, allowing others to use your Member name, password and/or account.
Your only choice if you do not agree with the ToS is to discontinue using the site and products.
Read my comment above. -
I honestly believe that once a hacker is banned, he or she should no longer be able to play crossfire. IP bans are passable, and so are mac address bans, and etc.. Wish their was just a way to give them 1 warning ban, then next time they hacked boom perm ban no matter what they change or by making a new account.
-Easier said then done =/ -
Also, keep in mind. You can lose your honorable soldier ribbon for more reasons than just cheating. Any account investigation can result in you losing your ribbon.
Does this also mean for Accounts blocked for Paypal issues and etc? Cause i was blocked a while back ago for it and kinda figured that is the reason i don't have my honorable soldier ribbon.
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I don't know where you've been looking then. Both as Moderators and Administrators we've stated officially and clearly that IP bans are done, and on a regular basis.
The problem is, anyone with even the slightest computer knowledge can easily get around IP bans, whether it be changing your IP, or hiding your IP with a program.
PS: When a cheater is temp banned, it is the Auto-ban system. All cheaters who'm are reported are permanently banned. And no one is ever only banned from one server, their account is banned from the game.
No, it's really not that simple. It's simple as in keeping the people out, yes. But as in being able and allowed to MAC ban? No.
yes u r right about:"The problem is, anyone with even the slightest computer knowledge can easily get around IP bans, whether it be changing your IP, or hiding your IP with a program." but not all player who use hak is in that category maibe 50% of them dont know how. and half of hakers in game is beter then now
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