Question. NOT a suggestion.
I notice people use this "game" to make custom guns with various parts and such and it rang the idea that's always there in my mind.
Can the good folks at Z8 make a customization or modification feature for our guns(or at least some of them) or does this imply new tools for the game?.
I was just wondering since gameplay and visuals here and in Combat Arms are so alike. What would make this feature so unlikely to happen?.
Some feedback from a MOD would be nice.
P.S. This is NOT a suggestion thread. Just an inquiry about something that I'm sure a lot of people think about.
Can the good folks at Z8 make a customization or modification feature for our guns(or at least some of them) or does this imply new tools for the game?.
I was just wondering since gameplay and visuals here and in Combat Arms are so alike. What would make this feature so unlikely to happen?.
Some feedback from a MOD would be nice.
P.S. This is NOT a suggestion thread. Just an inquiry about something that I'm sure a lot of people think about.
Comments
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Re-skinning for players means going into the rez files, and using bypasses so that it's not detected. It's tampering with the game files, which is considered illegal because it breaks the game's disclaimer.
I highly doubt this feature will be implemented. Re-skins are added by the developers, and I know they wouldn't jump at the fact that other people could just as easily make their own guns, and buy a regular weapon, and reskin it. -
Re-skinning for players means going into the rez files, and using bypasses so that it's not detected. It's tampering with the game files, which is considered illegal because it breaks the game's disclaimer.
I highly doubt this feature will be implemented. Re-skins are added by the developers, and I know they wouldn't jump at the fact that other people could just as easily make their own guns, and buy a regular weapon, and reskin it.
This Says It All -
Re-skinning for players means going into the rez files, and using bypasses so that it's not detected.
Here is the thing though...
The game's engine can be modified to allow for custom skins...they only didn't add that because they wanted to milk people for $ that Z8/G4/Whomever doesn't even deserve (for the skinning, not the programming. THAT they can make money for...). Just try and think of how much money Z8 has mad off of people trying an failing to get a skin with a +5/+10 clip...TOO much. -
well z8's or smilegate or whoever the partners.... use reskins for their bread and butter. Take away the reskins and what will "they" sell?
The fact that the reskins are upgraded versions of the regular weapons.Here is the thing though...
The game's engine can be modified to allow for custom skins...they only didn't add that because they wanted to milk people for $ that Z8/G4/Whomever doesn't even deserve (for the skinning, not the programming. THAT they can make money for...). Just try and think of how much money Z8 has mad off of people trying an failing to get a skin with a +5/+10 clip...TOO much.
Every game can be reskinned...
Its a simple matter of changing 1 texture to another... the thing with the Lithtech engine is thats its locked away in .REZ files.
True, the reskins make them money... but if it didnt, then they would be a pretty terrible company..
Thats like going into a supermarket and complaining that there selling too many brands of Bread and Milk. -
well z8's or smilegate or whoever the partners.... use reskins for their bread and butter. Take away the reskins and what will "they" sell?
They could always have went the route of other companies...weapon addons.
Since you can't add the item to your weapon, skinning them isn't much of a problem. They get their money, you pay up for the item...
But no...they wanted to copy CS and have no weapon addons and be dated looking while other games noticed that games of the times did well when they allowed the players to customize their weapons to their liking (besides the skins, anyway)... -
Giggletron wrote: »The fact that the reskins are upgraded versions of the regular weapons.
Yeeeeah...a camo laid over an AK is SOOO an UPGRADE. No, it's 2 colors plopped on top of the gun...that takes a Gfx Designer with training no more then 2 hours to make...and it takes the team to add the coding to the game even LESS time due to the middleware allowing for swift changes. HARDLY something someone should be making $10k a month off of...and, as with the current banner event, is something that could be done by ANYONE.
...I saw a AWM-Pikachu skin...looked better then the AWM-Gold by a long shot. -
They could always have went the route of other companies...weapon addons.
Since you can't add the item to your weapon, skinning them isn't much of a problem. They get their money, you pay up for the item...
But no...they wanted to copy CS and have no weapon addons and be dated looking while other games noticed that games of the times did well when they allowed the players to customize their weapons to their liking (besides the skins, anyway)...
No. No. No and No.
CF is doing well because its not LIKE the other companies where they spew out temp GP and paid weapons every other month and include X amount of temp attachments too.
Copy CS?
How does this copy CF... it doesnt look like CS... doesnt play like CS.... the biggest similarity is the fact that it uses the same names for some things...
Ive never understood that statement.. and noones given me a straight answer.
CF is incredibly friendly to non paying players compared to games like CA and OP7 where you can buy stupid things like upgraded barrels and bullets... to the point where the weapons no longer is the weapon youve actually paid for...Yeeeeah...a camo laid over an AK is SOOO an UPGRADE. No, it's 2 colors plopped on top of the gun...that takes a Gfx Designer with training no more then 2 hours to make...and it takes the team to add the coding to the game even LESS time due to the middleware allowing for swift changes. HARDLY something someone should be making $10k a month off of...and, as with the current banner event, is something that could be done by ANYONE.
...I saw a AWM-Pikachu skin...looked better then the AWM-Gold by a long shot.
Erm....
+10 bullets.. faster reloading... sights.
Those are upgrades.... -
Giggletron wrote: »
Every game can be reskinned...
Its a simple matter of changing 1 texture to another... the thing with the Lithtech engine is thats its locked away in .REZ files.
The rez files arent all that difficult to get in to... CFs rez files are a little harder as they have been locked and attempting to open them with winrez tools just crashes it, but still pretty easy to change some skins around :P
I attempted it once when i was bored just to see if it was possible but idont see the point in doing it really. I dont care much for the textures xD Its how the gun works that matters :P -
Giggletron wrote: »
+10 bullets.. faster reloading... sights.
Those are upgrades....
ACTUALLY, I find it a shame that we have to pay to get a clip that either doesn't even exist IRL or is so big it would be on a gun anyway (10 clip awm? Not possible...nor should ever need that many rounds IRL anyway)
STILL...it's like we're playing the game [Developer] wants us to play instead of the game WE want to play...
Sounds like I'm not saying much, but if I can't look down the barrel like a normal weapon so I can target properly or even have a weapon that doesn't sound like an elephant across the Sahara...it makes me WANT those things.
Ever taken a step to the side while firing and bullet flies STRAIGHT UP in the ceiling while you where aiming FORWARD on the FIRST BULLET?! Yeah...THOSE things. -
They could always have went the route of other companies...weapon addons.
Since you can't add the item to your weapon, skinning them isn't much of a problem. They get their money, you pay up for the item...
But no...they wanted to copy CS and have no weapon addons and be dated looking while other games noticed that games of the times did well when they allowed the players to customize their weapons to their liking (besides the skins, anyway)...
well they kinda did in a way. Take the m4 series as an example. You have +silencers, +scopes, +ammo...all of which come with a unique skin.
If your suggesting that they simple sell the "add ons" without the reskins... well its too late for that. Would you spin crates for a silencer or a scope? It all comes down to the black market, where most reskins( with additions) are found and where z8 gets the most profit from, so if they remove that, well they wouldn't.....hope that helps -
So now this is a discussion on how to illegally modify REZ files? O.o
If this means I can finally try to get that Halloween GG then keep on talking xD.
OT: DDump, are you suggesting that they add the use of Iron Sights to each gun now?Sounds like I'm not saying much, but if I can't look down the barrel like a normal weapon so I can target properly or even have a weapon that doesn't sound like an elephant across the Sahara...it makes me WANT those things. -
ACTUALLY, I find it a shame that we have to pay to get a clip that either doesn't even exist IRL or is so big it would be on a gun anyway (10 clip awm? Not possible...nor should ever need that many rounds IRL anyway)
STILL...it's like we're playing the game [Developer] wants us to play instead of the game WE want to play...
Sounds like I'm not saying much, but if I can't look down the barrel like a normal weapon so I can target properly or even have a weapon that doesn't sound like an elephant across the Sahara...it makes me WANT those things.
Ever taken a step to the side while firing and bullet flies STRAIGHT UP in the ceiling while you where aiming FORWARD on the FIRST BULLET?! Yeah...THOSE things.
You seem to have expectations for this game far greater than the developers intented. Keep in mind that this is just a casual game. You shouln't be naive and expect so much from a free to play game. -
So now this is a discussion on how to illegally modify REZ files? O.o
If this means I can finally try to get that Halloween GG then keep on talking xD.
OT: DDump, are you suggesting that they add the use of Iron Sights to each gun now?
Lol well its easy to change the Rez file but then in order for it to work you would need an xtrap bypass lol. But i didnt try that far all i wanted to know is if it was possible to extract and replace textures in the rez file which is pretty easy to be honest lol. I didnt feel like running the risk of getting banned just to see if the texture would work (mainly cuz i already knew it would Ive use the lithrez engine before lol) -
well they kinda did in a way. Take the m4 series as an example. You have +silencers, +scopes, +ammo...all of which come with a unique skin.
...but cost MONEY. Seriously.
We're all supposed to be in the military (of sorts)...we should HAVE these thing already and be able to use them when we wish (I'd even like it better if the guns were perm and the add-ons were rental stuff...no other game does THAT. Smarter idea for revenue too).
Oh, and not to nit-pick, but the M4's suppressor...is NOT as silent as it is in the game. You can hear that thing from at least 500Ft. In game it's so quiet you'll be right in front of someone and you won't really even hear it...annoying since usually that means you get next to no time to react before you're dead. -
Gh0st_Slay3r wrote: »The rez files arent all that difficult to get in to... CFs rez files are a little harder as they have been locked and attempting to open them with winrez tools just crashes it, but still pretty easy to change some skins around :P
I attempted it once when i was bored just to see if it was possible but idont see the point in doing it really. I dont care much for the textures xD Its how the gun works that matters :P
Im aware of that....ACTUALLY, I find it a shame that we have to pay to get a clip that either doesn't even exist IRL or is so big it would be on a gun anyway (10 clip awm? Not possible...nor should ever need that many rounds IRL anyway)
STILL...it's like we're playing the game [Developer] wants us to play instead of the game WE want to play...
Sounds like I'm not saying much, but if I can't look down the barrel like a normal weapon so I can target properly or even have a weapon that doesn't sound like an elephant across the Sahara...it makes me WANT those things.
Ever taken a step to the side while firing and bullet flies STRAIGHT UP in the ceiling while you where aiming FORWARD on the FIRST BULLET?! Yeah...THOSE things.
But having people pay for temporary additions isnt a shame? Since.. CA have apparently got it right.
Its a game... How many battles in space, invisible players, mutants and zombies have you seen?
>_>
Youre trying to make it realistic. No FPS works when you try to make it realistic.
The developer makes the game.. of course youre playing what they want you to play...
Scratch that... if you didnt want to play CF in first place.. why are you playing it?...but cost MONEY. Seriously.
We're all supposed to be in the military (of sorts)...we should HAVE these thing already and be able to use them when we wish (I'd even like it better if the guns were perm and the add-ons were rental stuff...no other game does THAT. Smarter idea for revenue too).
Oh, and not to nit-pick, but the M4's suppressor...is NOT as silent as it is in the game. You can hear that thing from at least 500Ft. In game it's so quiet you'll be right in front of someone and you won't really even hear it...annoying since usually that means you get next to no time to react before you're dead.
No we're not... youre taking the game too seriously.
You wont be given a gun with every good attachment on it for free... Thats just stupid and poor game design.. whats the point in having attachments to use when theyre there anyway..... Its pointless coding and a waste of time.
The guns ARE perm.. you get the additions WITH the gun... not temporary with payments.
Youre... my god. -headdesk.
Yes it is. You cant exactly here it across the map now can you.
Granted I dont see the point of silencers in CF because the maps are too small anyway but whatever... theyre there. -
...but cost MONEY. Seriously.
We're all supposed to be in the military (of sorts)
A PMC (GR) isn't much of a military as it is with a country's military. BL is considered to be some sort of Terrorist Organization.
If it means so much to you about weapons... there are far greater games with more emphasis on weaponry (like CoD for example).
This is supposed to be simple-minded game haha.
xD -
Giggletron wrote: »But having people pay for temporary additions isnt a shame? Since.. CA have apparently got it right.
AHHH, they DID do it right...except they ruined it by making the weapons that you could only get with $ OP compared to the ones that were already in game...kinda like the BP weapons here.
And as for this games being required to attempt to win skins, yes it's a damn shame...a GOD damn shame. It's a map of pixels to be placed over an invisible box...why the hell are you being charged on the upper ceiling of $200 for an ATTEMPT at getting it perm? Oh, because Z8 wants you to pay the price of wanting to NOT have to shell out the recurring revenue $Xx for a 7-30 day weapon with an extended clip...they don't want the ideal of you walking away with the weapon without having shelled out more then it's worth.Its a game... How many battles in space, invisible players, mutants and zombies have you seen?
Space : Halo...I mean REALLY. Hell, there are games that predate halo that were online and had space combat.... Starseige:TRIBES ring any bells?
Invisible players : Halo (active camo), plus another F2P FPS but in that 'ghost mode' players who are ghost STAY ghost while running...makes it way over-balanced for the humans since there is no good way to hear them coming either...
Mutants : That was [CF Developers] lame twist on CoD's zombie mode and CA's zombie survival...it's nothing more then a skin in the end. The game modes work the EXACT same way as CA's zombie survival...(now, PB has DINOSAURS...THAT is unique.)
Battlefield didn't work? Oh riiight...it did. Realism works QUITE well in games as long as you don't take it TOO far...like limiting a players distance for sprinting because of weapon weight, etc. How adding realistic sights, scopes, and iron-sights in the game is "too realistic" is beyond me, and QUITE a stupid argument...it like saying swords shouldn't have hilts because they guard the players hands...Youre trying to make it realistic. No FPS works when you try to make it realistic.if you didnt want to play CF in first place.. why are you playing it?
And there you go with the ignorance of some with a shut mind and weak arguments...I never said I DIDN'T want to play the game as it is, but the way the game CURRENTLY is has made me a TONS of other players go looking into other games currently in development...I'm sure you read my comment earlier this week stating that I;d be playing a different game if the dev's of that game hadn't been stupid and had it peer-to-peer hosting so they could save on hosting 'costs'...
At the end of the day, CF Devs wanted to copy off a SUPPOSEDLY dying game (they sure as hell didn't see CS:GO coming...no one did) and reap some profit from it at the cheapest cost possible...why else would they be pushing a game based off an engine so old that it's been updated over 6 times since the version this game is based on was ever used...
There is NO reason why they should have went the whole "pay out the ass for skin X and +5/+10 bullets or use the guns we don't give a 2 jacks about and work the way we want them to"...because having a gun with a sight on it that can't be used like one JUST because it's a GP gun is BEYOND stupid (AUG, GS5).
And once again, if you don't like my comments you can bounce the heck off and go play whatever MMO you're off playing...because you sure as hell aint playing the same game I am... -
If it means so much to you about weapons... there are far greater games with more emphasis on weaponry (like CoD for example).
I've said it a few times, there was a game that SG developed that I actually liked...but they botched the execution by having the hosting non-dedicated...EVERYONE lags. Period. It's way more annoying then CF at that point.
CA - Nice customization options, but your starting weapons turns you into mostly cannon fodder since it's too weak and has no accuracy (but at least you can change that with some scopes when you rank-up). And my PC can't handle it too well...
SA - Worse then CF...(and no customization...pretty much a weak version of CF with WAAAAY more mapping design problems then CF at least)
OP7 - Ugh...don't get me started on weapon balance...and just as overrun with BR players as CF is now...
SF - Dated...REEEEEALY dated.
BS - Haven't tried it yet, but last time I check it was UK only.
MAT - Oh gawd...they are trying to get people from CF to play THAT instead (emailed me on Facebook)...that's how weak they are doing. PLUS they have the same about of hackers and BR players are CF does...
And any upcoming F2P games are too much of my PC to handle...
"It's cheaper to keep her" is the idealism for still play CF at this point...it's fun enough to continue with, but it's got so little of what I WANT to play with that it's at the end of the walking plank...This is supposed to be simple-minded game haha.
xD
CoD is QUITE simple minded...but the controller just ruins the whole experience...it's mouse or nothing with FPS games for me. -
Giggletron wrote: »Im not even going to read that.. because I know im right and what you said is probably stupid.
Ill leave someone with patience to argue back.
And seeing as the only person arguing mack is YOU...you're pretty much out on a limb!
Here, I'll list it for you...you probably think that makes text worth reading.
CF doesn't need stupid skins for profit. If you don't get that, you're an idiot...
CF makes a killing off of a picture placed on an invisible box. If you don't get that, you're an idiot...
Anyone can make a skin...but Z8 want's to make a killing off as little work as possible. If you don't get that, you're an idiot...
Plenty of other games have done EXACTLY what CF RIPPED from them, and did it better. If you don't get that, you're an idiot...
You're argument's are moot. You DO get that which is why you didn't read my argument countering your weak arguments.
And I GUARANTEE you that there aren't going to be many more games like CF anymore...ones that use BS like skins (LAUGHABLE) to make a profit.
Anyway giggle, we know you want to get your MOD status back, but cut back on the sucking up...it really shows. -
And I GUARANTEE you that there aren't going to be many more games like CF anymore...ones that use BS like skins (LAUGHABLE) to make a profit.
Going off-topic a little, but your point is moot.
Look at League of Legends. They make a ton of profit off of champion skins and it seems to work just fine. I would re-think your logic.
EDIT: Also, where do you get your basis that the skins aren't making money? Do YOU have access to the G4Box marketing numbers? How many people pay for the re-skins? I don't think so. You know what assumptions do? Even if you think it's a dumb way to make money, if it's successful, why mess with something that's successful? Clearly you don't grasp marketing and business very well. -
alkiroth225 wrote: »I notice people use this "game" to make custom guns with various parts and such and it rang the idea that's always there in my mind.
Can the good folks at Z8 make a customization or modification feature for our guns(or at least some of them) or does this imply new tools for the game?.
I was just wondering since gameplay and visuals here and in Combat Arms are so alike. What would make this feature so unlikely to happen?.
Some feedback from a MOD would be nice.
P.S. This is NOT a suggestion thread. Just an inquiry about something that I'm sure a lot of people think about.4 reasons.
1. This is not CA, but CF. Copying ideas from CA would cause copyright conflicts.
2. CF already have pre-made custom guns. It would be unfair to customers who have paid money for these guns if everyone could suddenly customize their GP guns for a percentage of what these people paid for there fixed custom guns.
3. Gun customization for CF might lead to easily overpowering guns. Just imagine someone customizing their M12S with more bullets, a suppressor, and anything else they could think of. Or DSR-1s with suppressors.
4. To allow gun customization from our end would mean CF would have to be prepared for every possible combination of custom parts and guns we could come up with. Not only would this take a hell of a lot of time to code, but it would also make the game 10 times bigger due to all the Rez files that would need to be added.
In short; This would be a terrible idea. -
4 reasons.
1. This is not CA, but CF. Copying ideas from CA would cause copyright conflicts.
2. CF already have pre-made custom guns. It would be unfair to customers who have paid money for these guns if everyone could suddenly customize their GP guns for a percentage of what these people paid for there fixed custom guns.
3. Gun customization for CF might lead to easily overpowering guns. Just imagine someone customizing their M12S with more bullets, a suppressor, and anything else they could think of. Or DSR-1s with suppressors.
4. To allow gun customization from our end would mean CF would have to be prepared for every possible combination of custom parts and guns we could come up with. Not only would this take a hell of a lot of time to code, but it would also make the game 10 times bigger due to all the Rez files that would need to be added.
In short; This would be a terrible idea.
A lot of people thought I was just talking about skins. I was talking about attachments, but that's beside the point.
I see now..and with all the feedback I got to this post, I now understand how it works since I'm not familiar with programming. I only tried CA once and I always thought it was a nice addition, but the temp-gun feature is beyond annoying.
Anyways.. thanks for the enlightenment. Feel free to close this whenever you want. I opened Pandora's box with this silly thread and let some demons and fast-speaking trolls(I'm looking at you, DDUMP) out.Giggletron wrote: »If I wanted my MOD back, id have it back by now.
Nice try though.
He had his head stuck somewhere during the discussion..I think I know where.
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