Which one of these would be best in GM?

NoobExplode wrote: »

I see your example, but the AK's all do ~40 damage in the chest, so you're going to get the kill in three rounds anyway. For another gun this might make more of a difference, say the m4 crystal vs m4-cc at 30 meters (based on your own weapons guide). But the difference for the AK's should be negligible, and even if the Gold AK is slightly better (say, 3% faster kills), then you have to figure out cost-effectiveness of each. 100 coupons is a lot more than a few BP. And if you're like me and your noob team follows you around waiting for you to die when you use gold weapons, maybe that 3% makes no difference in your score, or is actually a hindrance. And does killing faster in this case really matter? If in those milliseconds of time (of the 3%) the opponent does no damage to you, did the faster kill affect the outcome, and does it translate into actual score improvement?

It's hard to determine just how much a statistically "better" gun will influence your score in-game. If people weren't idiots and if they were both free, I'd use the Gold AK and any other gun with better stats.

true, however a lot of that would be near impossible to test (how are you easily going to get the % chance that someone will follow you begging for the gun, whether they'll shoot randomly making noise, whether they'll be any help, etc.), I like sticking with the easy facts (the damage the gun does, the RoF, the reload time etc.) because it's a lot faster than the things you were talking about, plus it's fact, not theory.

NoobExplode wrote: »

I get what you're sayin'. If I had any GP left I'd go test them both and see what happens. The XM might very well be better, though I'd have to know if you're using the regular or the ADV version, because the extra rounds might make a difference. But the reloading action of the XM is definitely an advantage in GM.

The ADV is a lot better, however the regular XM is still very good

NoobExplode wrote: »

Lol, and so humble! xD I'm not insulted. It's nice when people back up their claims with evidence. You may seem a little arrogant, but my policy is that it's not arrogance if you can actually back it up :P I just like having an open mind when I walk into a discussion and too few people have the same mindset as I do. Yeah, I figure I'm right most of the time, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to be stubborn and keep preaching my view after someone makes a good point. That thing about XM reload was a good point - well played, sir. :P

people like you are people I'm trying to get into OldLegends, so far its VATAV and I

NoobExplode wrote: »

P.S. - I searched for that weapons guide. Pretty B'dass.

thanks, took a long time

don't go by the statistics though, a lot of them are wrong. if you're going to use it in its Beta state, just use the damages, because those are rock solid.

I'm in the process of redoing the statistics for ever weapon in the game (aside from shotguns), it'll be version 1.0 and it will also have pictures and whatnot. I'm going frame by frame at 100 FPS to see how long the reload time is and how fast the gun empties it's magazine, takes awhile (but not as long as getting the damages, that's the longest part).

GodsGunman wrote: »

true, however a lot of that would be near impossible to test (how are you easily going to get the % chance that someone will follow you begging for the gun, whether they'll shoot randomly making noise, whether they'll be any help, etc.), I like sticking with the easy facts (the damage the gun does, the RoF, the reload time etc.) because it's a lot faster than the things you were talking about, plus it's fact, not theory.

Yeah, and that's only comparing the Gold and Silver AK's. Adding other rifles to the mix and even SMG's makes it hell to create a rating system. I saw someone in your thread talking about how you should add spray pattern, and while that would probably be useful, it's one of those things that can't really be quantified. I wish we could get a look at some of the game code to see their algorithm for bullet randomness and similar things. I bet it would shed a lot of light on some of these gray areas.

GodsGunman wrote: »

people like you are people I'm trying to get into OldLegends, so far its VATAV and I

I'm not much for scrims, and I uninstall this game on a bi-weekly basis because I think it sucks up my life; I can sit down and when I snap out of my trance, seven hours have gone by. Not a healthy lifestyle. Lol.

That said, if you'd like me to join just for the clan points, I'd be more than happy to. My clan isn't really active anymore, despite the fact that I own four of the accounts xD

GodsGunman wrote: »

thanks, took a long time

don't go by the statistics though, a lot of them are wrong. if you're going to use it in its Beta state, just use the damages, because those are rock solid.

I'm in the process of redoing the statistics for ever weapon in the game (aside from shotguns), it'll be version 1.0 and it will also have pictures and whatnot. I'm going frame by frame at 100 FPS to see how long the reload time is and how fast the gun empties it's magazine, takes awhile (but not as long as getting the damages, that's the longest part).

Yeah, I noticed that the Silver AK and the Camo have different times, when my inkling is that they're the same. You would probably also have to change your DPS and your RPS afterward, not sure if it's worth your time. Guide functions pretty well already, though :]

the louder your gun the more likely you are to be kicked by the good players in GM so go for the m4a1 and aim to get a silenced weapon as soon as you can.

GodsGunman wrote: »

OldLegends isn't that active right now anyways, we've recently started it back up. Basically it's just VATAV and I right now, however someone that used to be in the clan is deleting the clan he's re-created since he left, and is coming back (and bringing his friend).

VATAV and I are GM players, whereas my friend and his friend are S&D players (they're very good). I originally thought the clan would be about 75:25 ghostmode:S&D, however it looks like it'll be more 50/50, which I'm fine with. We can have both GM and S&D players in the same clan, as long as everyone's respectful.


So yes I would like you to join, even if you're not the most active :P

Well that's going to be interesting because I'm terrible at GM and my idea of S&D strategy is to shoot the other team in the face xD That said, I am a pretty good shot, so I generally do ok. Pay no attention to my S&D stats in-game; the game bugged in early 09 and recorded half my elimination matches toward S&D. Oh, and I don't play with sound, which is probably part of the reason my GM stats are spectacularly bad.

Anywho, enough excuses. I better go practice bunnyhopping...


BTW do you guys have a Vent channel?

I prefer a silenced m4 weapon. So like m4-adv, m4-silver, m4-Custom/Crystal/CC

i hate people going with rpk... its really loud and the noise lasts like an echo -.-

DerpToDaMAX wrote: »

AK-47

With ghosts that know what they are doing, this ^
You will need to kill them within a fraction of a second just before they reach you.
Don't mind the NYAN-sayers, just don't spray it mindlessly =p

DerpToDaMAX wrote: »

Which one should I choose, or are there other (GP Only-Non Crate) that would do better?

For average ghosts, the Type-89 is quite fun...
Near-supressed sound (you can spray with it without being too annoying) and 100% wallbang

Fearirou wrote: »

I think the best would be xm8 for ghost mode...
[pretty good recoil, fast reload, full wallbang and not too loud]

I'm with him,
XM8 is stops shovel tanking spop nubs in their tracks. Has pretty good wallbanging and quick reloads for rushers who like to get right in your face slashing :X