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newtonking wrote: »says the guy that spends 9 hrs a day playing then goes rage on the forums
again where r u getting these facts? where did i say how much i play and why would it matter? whether i play 1 hr a day or 6 hrs a day the problem still exists. also im not raging. the truth hurts. u really are shocking me with how stupid u r. THINK before u post. it helps. -
again where r u getting these facts? where did i say how much i play and why would it matter? whether i play 1 hr a day or 6 hrs a day the problem still exists. also im not raging. the truth hurts. u really are shocking me with how stupid u r. THINK before u post. it helps.
Your clearly are addicted to the game to take it thats seriously. Relax dude, get off the pc and go out with your friends or something. -
i dont mean to sound like a hard ass. actually i do. but im not saying its the gms or g4boxs fault for the hacking situation but it should be their responsibility as the licensee to make sure the customers are receiving the best quality and game experience possible. the only reason why so many ppl play is because the game is free and frankly bcuz there are a lot of hackers and its easy to hack this game. for every 10 that are auto-banned there are 10 more that are going undetected. something has to change. saidin u are not getting yur moneys worth with xtrap. get rid of it. make something happen.
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the answer i expect is that you are making strides to explain to neowiz that xtrap is not working as it should. u are working on "getting by" and patching hacks as they come along. between the trio of smilegate/neowiz/g4box something else needs to be done. xtrap isn't doing it. u are paying money for an anticheat that most likely eliminates less than half of the actual cheaters. that doesnt seem wrong to u? i guarantee u the next time xtrap patches i will go in not an hour later and the result will be the same. thats not wrong to u? i understand hacks will never be completely stopped but get something to bring the ratio down. this battle is ridiculous.
INCOMING TL;DR
Youre crediting XTraps usefulness on undetected hacks. Wrong way to look at it. An AntiCheat's job is just that. It is supposed to BLOCK cheats.. It can only do that by patching that specific cheat into the AC. Its not going to detect that a new hack its never heard of.. is it? XTrap goes one step further in regards to anti hacking, which keeps hackers on their toes when they release multiple hacks. Unless its a Heuristic anticheat... which I SERIOUSLY doubt it is
Its has HUNDREDS of hacks blocked at this moment. Remove XTrap.. and all the hacks come flooding back in.
Smilegate are the Developers... not Neowiz.. which implies you havent done an ounce of research before coming here. Neowiz are publishers, not developers.
Smilegate are usually patching loopholes in code in each monthly update. I can name a few examples being the Box hacks, most speedhacks... each one appears to work different to the next. From my understanding, the current speedhack forces you to crouch which is much different to previous ones. Before that, Smilegate had them cornered for a good few months before coders cracked it again. Is only a matter of time before its gone again. In addition, fly hack is useless. It may work.. but it will work for a short while.. hence why you rarely see it. They'll client error if they go too high, inside something ectect.
Also, Most one hit hacks will often client error you in some modes. This is by far more suitable then just letting them go free while XTrap take the time to patch it.
Wallhacks, see ghost ectect are "drawn onto" the game. That cant be coded out since it isnt exploiting gamecode (as far as I know). The specific hack file can only be patched. Most games have these including popular games with "superior AC's" such as CS and COD.
No code is 100% perfect. XTrap will miss things out. It will miss hackers and not disconnect and ban them. However if does for alot of them. You dont see this, nor is it announced which is why you think its useless. Without XTraps autoban feature.. things will be a hell of alot worse. You must praise them for that for as far as I know, no other AC has an autoban feature (excluding VAC which actually delays bans.)
Of course there will be cheats. Crossfire hacks are too widespread. There are foreign sites distributing hacks we dont know about and therefore havent patched. XTrap get a massive workload as well as G4Box with the hack reports. Its just too much and more often then not, theyre false reports by some foreigner or they send in a ticket asking for a player to be banned with no evidence.
Ive read reports before a bit ago and honestly... out of the 100 I counted, (Yes before the new replay system came.. watched over 100 replays to find the hacker and determine if he was cheating) roughly 70 were properly filled in reports, of which 46 were LEGIT reports. So thats 54 reports who people were convinced were cheating, who werent actually cheating or hadnt filled in a ticket with the correct information and was therefore useless. Chances are, this happens today. The exact same thing. With people using broken or no english at all, false reports... incorrect reports ect ect and then come onto the forum a week later and wonder why the person they reported wasnt banned. (This task took me 3 days to complete. Imagine how many reports are sent now with the limited support staff with thousands of reports to file through in a reasonable time... its impossible.)
I feel as if I forgot something in my essay to you... Oh well..
TL;DR? Tough. Read it.
the time u hve wasted defending xtrap could have been spent lobbying for a different program to neowiz. lets face it u have spent a lot of time defending xtrap.[/QUOTE] -
[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »Youre crediting XTraps usefulness on undetected hacks. Wrong way to look at it. An AntiCheat's job is just that. It is supposed to BLOCK cheats.. It can only do that by patching that specific cheat into the AC. Its not going to detect that a new hack its never heard of.. is it?
XTrap goes one step further in regards to anti hacking, which keeps hackers on their toes when they release multiple hacks. Unless its a Heuristic anticheat... which I SERIOUSLY doubt it is
Its has HUNDREDS of hacks blocked at this moment. Remove XTrap.. and all the hacks come flooding back in.
paragraph 1 and 2 u answered yur own statements.
'Its not going to detect that a new hack its never heard of.. is it?' - thats what heuristic scanning is and should be STANDARD on all anti-cheats of this level (VAC2, X-Trap)
i never said to remove xtrap. not once. i said that steps need to be taken to either a) improve xtraps core scanning functions or b) get something different.[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »Smilegate are the Developers... not Neowiz.. which implies you havent done an ounce of research before coming here. Neowiz are publishers, not developers.
i know exactly who they r. i never once said neowiz was the developer did i? it was implied that neowiz is the 'gateway' to smilegate. im sure youd have to first convince neowiz that something was wrong considering they are own global distribution rights to the game.
smilegate - developers
neowiz - given global distribution rights from smilegate
g4box and all other publishers - receive license from neowiz in respective regions
how am i doing? no research hmm?
i feel as if u hardly read anything that i wrote carefully. i never once said that i expect the anticheat to be removed instead of anything at all. i said xtrap wasnt working the way it SHOULD be working for an anticheat of that magnitude. that anticheat is PAID for yet the way they patch hacks is inefficient and flat out doesnt work past a basic level of coding. it doesnt even have heuristic scanning which should be standard. all a coder has to do is change a few values once xtrap patches and bam the hack works again. its idiotic and anyone who says its working is a FOOL.
i never once said hacks could be completely patched. i said the ratio of hackers needs to be reduced greatly. i understand coders will always find a way but at least force most of the hacks out. no heuristic scanning on a game-level anti-cheat? pathetic. you shouldnt have to just 'get by'. thats settling for second best. shame really.
ITS NOT WORKING. GET WITH THE PROGRAM. -
I dont really bleave gms working on banning all the time.
why ?
because I have reported 28 file in last 4 days. one of the reported guys name is : Orhan11. and i reported him 3 days ago. and yet he is playing crossfire freely. i saw him today morning.
how do you explain that ? is that really hard to ban an obvious hack user ?
here is my silly opinion : dont waste money to xtrap , hire 10-20 ppl and work them as hack hunters. that works better.
i m really tired of hacks. i m waiting for your next patch . if its not satisfys me , than i quit paying money you and surely search another game. its easier than being crazy of hacks. -
'gms are always working on the hacking situation'
oh yeah? log in and pick any server or room and tell me u can play for even 5 minutes without running into a hacker. at any given point during the day there is a hacker in almost every room. moderators dont deny it and say that u never see hackers because that is a load of crap. u are just denying the obvious and it makes you look stupid. we may be customers but we know the truth so stop trying to make it seem like its not rly that bad
'z8games isnt in charge of stopping hacks xtrap is'
i dont rly care who is in charge and who isnt. we as the customer cannot get a hold of xtrap. thats yur job. you are the communication liason between us and xtrap. do u pay for their service? id assume u do. tell them u want yur money back because their service is undesirable. they are supposed to be stopping cheats. WHAT CHEATS R THEY STOPPING? yur going to tell me the autoban works just fine. oh yeah? refer to paragraph number 1
'if u dont like it dont play'
this is the worst response that you could ever tell a customer of yur product. u say were not obligated to anything because the game is free. so frickin what? it is still yur product and it is still yur responsibility to ensure the best game environment possible for the customers. do u realize that the community is in shambles? the quality of players that exist r probably as low as it can get because yur game is a complete waste of time for anyone that has a remote amount of skill and gamesense. u want better players? fix yur stupid issues with cheats. get rid of xtrap it does N.O.T.H.I.N.G
'deal with it xtrap is doing a pretty good job compared to game guard'
o rly? this is in a public hack. there r several xtrap and hgwc bypasses. the rez files are an open book to any avg coder who can decompile/extract them.
X-Hair
Chams
Wall Hack
Full Bright
No Fog
Player WireFrame
AsusWallHack
Gun Damage
Instant Reload
No Weapon Weight
No Nade Damage
No Change Delay
No Recoil /No Spread
Shoot Through Walls
Long Knife
Walk Through Walls
Jump
Fly
See Ghost
Hack Tool Remover
No Damage Zone
No Fall Damage
CussWord Bypass
AntiChat Block
Speed
Weapon Hack
White Wall
OverKiller Texture
Teleport
No Flash
Knife One Hit kill
and more
'does no good to complain there are enough threads'
then take a frickin hint. i want a gm or moderator to write on this thread b4 they close it, bcuz i know they will. u honestly tell me that the status of this game is ok and that it isnt that bad. u will only make yurself look like an idiot because EVERYONE but u will admit that this game is in the damn gutter. id be on the telephone every single day to neowiz us-based office showing them videos of public rooms in crossfire na/uk. every single day showing them the massive amounts of public forums that PROMOTE hacking clans with requirements to hack. i would be on the phone every single day until someone listened. do not sit there and say everything is being done bcuz its not. if u honestly think everything possible is being done then where the hell r the results from things being done?
wake up and smell the coffee
Well said, i agree 100%
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paragraph 1 and 2 u answered yur own statements.
'Its not going to detect that a new hack its never heard of.. is it?' - thats what heuristic scanning is and should be STANDARD on all anti-cheats of this level (VAC2, X-Trap)
i never said to remove xtrap. not once. i said that steps need to be taken to either a) improve xtraps core scanning functions or b) get something different.
i know exactly who they r. i never once said neowiz was the developer did i? it was implied that neowiz is the 'gateway' to smilegate. im sure youd have to first convince neowiz that something was wrong considering they are own global distribution rights to the game.
smilegate - developers
neowiz - given global distribution rights from smilegate
g4box and all other publishers - receive license from neowiz in respective regions
how am i doing? no research hmm?
i feel as if u hardly read anything that i wrote carefully. i never once said that i expect the anticheat to be removed instead of anything at all. i said xtrap wasnt working the way it SHOULD be working for an anticheat of that magnitude. that anticheat is PAID for yet the way they patch hacks is inefficient and flat out doesnt work past a basic level of coding. it doesnt even have heuristic scanning which should be standard. all a coder has to do is change a few values once xtrap patches and bam the hack works again. its idiotic and anyone who says its working is a FOOL.
Ahh you can reasearch.. after I post.
Possibly it should be. But as far as I know, it isnt. It uses an algorithm to constantly refresh itself every so often and detects memory changes and targets whats doing it. As far as I know this is every 30mins. Chances are, if it gets through the initial injection, it will be detected within 30 minutes and disconnect and ban the player using a cheat its detecting. This makes it extremely hard for the coders to keep a hack stable to be in use properly. It would take some advanced coding to bypass xtrap.. which explains why they take so long to patch a hack (even if its a week before xtrap updates)
Of course, theres a bypass to this which XTrap are constantly on top of.. but usually the coders are faster. Theyve admitted this and already know about it and admit its a decent AC since theyre always having trouble with it.
Of course they have to change a few values. Its the problem with most AC's. Although, it does usually permanently stop them and they have to be recoded. Ive spoken to a hacker about what he does with coding and took over a week to code one hack.. only to have xtrap patch it in a few days.
Obviously if its heuristic is can detect coding patterns... but it isnt and free to play game dont bring in enough revenue to allow for a more powerful AC with this scanning ability. Go complain to WiseLogic if you are unhappy that this feature not being included.
The problem is the sheer amount of coders releasing hack after hac after hack.
Im aware you didnt say that. You essentially implied it. You dont like XTrap? Its not doing it job? So why have it? Thats what youre saying are you not? -
Thats good stuff dude !
I mean they made the game for one reason, to ppl have a good time online whit wide range of ppl all over the world, and I realy like to know how can I have a good time in game if 40+% of users cheat, they realy should to something whit it.
it makes me sad
agree whit u 110%
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