Balancing the M12s
I'm wondering if Z8Games/Neowiz/Smilegate/Whoever has any plans on balancing the single most annoying gun in the game, the M12s.
As many players will attest, the M12s is game-breakingly easy to use. It's recoil is non-existant, and the combination of medium damage, insane firerate, and bottomless clip turn this gun into the ultimate "noob" weapon.
Seeing as the servers are going to be updated tonight, maybe this is going to happen already, but until then, I'll never know.
EDIT: This is not a rage thread about how easy it is to kill people with M12s. Its just like killing anyone else. Keep the conversation on track.
As many players will attest, the M12s is game-breakingly easy to use. It's recoil is non-existant, and the combination of medium damage, insane firerate, and bottomless clip turn this gun into the ultimate "noob" weapon.
Seeing as the servers are going to be updated tonight, maybe this is going to happen already, but until then, I'll never know.
EDIT: This is not a rage thread about how easy it is to kill people with M12s. Its just like killing anyone else. Keep the conversation on track.
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You can't... get a kill with the M12?In your dreams ;D
But seriously, the most annoying thing about m12s is that (almost)everyone kill me while using it and i can't get a single kill with this 'nub' machine unless in ghost mode :O
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That's fair. Somedays, I can't even get kills with my (Permanent) Scar Light.Yea, i'm more into using m16, m700, ak47 or dual desp's than trying to get a kill with this no recoil thingy.
Also, why would you do server maintenance, after announcing a patch, but not include the PATCH!?!?! I'm hoping its just an update to their net-code for the new Challenge Mode, IF it gets added. -
@User above me.
Basically, this is what happens when you get used to other guns. As you sayd, you use the ak47. Well, when you use the ak47 for a decent amount of time, when you spray, you tend to move you'r crosshair at enemies feet.. and it will get you a hs.. but with the m12s... you will shoot the toes
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crusader13cf wrote: »@User above me.
Basically, this is what happens when you get used to other guns. As you sayd, you use the ak47. Well, when you use the ak47 for a decent amount of time, when you spray, you tend to move you'r crosshair at enemies feet.. and it will get you a hs.. but with the m12s... you will shoot the toes
I do this with G36k at upper torso. Works great. Snipers I'm all for the HS though. -
North American, Canada specifically, and on the launcher, Z8 says it will be performing server maintainance, but will not add ANY content. It's most likely a prep-patch.Martyr, where was the patch announced? O_o
Btw, are you from Scandinavia or NA? -
I'm wondering if Z8Games/Neowiz/Smilegate/Whoever has any plans on balancing the single most annoying gun in the game, the M12s.
As many players will attest, the M12s is game-breakingly easy to use. It's recoil is non-existant, and the combination of medium damage, insane firerate, and bottomless clip turn this gun into the ultimate "noob" weapon.
Seeing as the servers are going to be updated tonight, maybe this is going to happen already, but until then, I'll never know.
EDIT: This is not a rage thread about how easy it is to kill people with M12s. Its just like killing anyone else. Keep the conversation on track.
I wouldn't call it game breaking. Over powered or unbalanced, yes. But not game breaking, game breaking suggest that its introduction completely changed or ruined the game beyond recovery. If they added a tank that could be controlled by a player and can't be killed by any means, that be game breaking. It change the game to who ever can get to the tank first.
Now for balancing...
Either make the range damage reduce a lot or add some recoil to it.
At 5 meters it does 28 damage a bullet, at 30 meters its doing 27. Reduce the 30 meters to about 15 and it be balanced. A powerful close range SMG with next to no long range ability. -
why do you hate the m12s? any descent person with m4 or even m16 can kill an m16 user at long range or even close range if you're good
I just dislike it because its too easy to use compared to most weapons, and I like a challenge rather then a endless stream of multi kills in TDM. I'm the type of player that brings a Gatling Gun in GM and try to PinPoint with it, no spraying. just single shotting and a 5-8 round burst here and there.
Don't care if others use it, but I do care to have it balanced. -
1st of all i dont care about 12s users
i dont spray i get headshots 11/12 kills
2nd of all gatling in ghost mode is pointless since a ghost can easily rush you before the barrel starts its epic roll ( but without the barrel roll time the gatling gun would be only half as awesome) -
Someone missed the edit about talking about skill. This is a stat related conversation.1st of all i dont care about 12s users
i dont spray i get headshots 11/12 kills
2nd of all gatling in ghost mode is pointless since a ghost can easily rush you before the barrel starts its epic roll ( but without the barrel roll time the gatling gun would be only half as awesome) -
Someone missed the edit about talking about skill. This is a stat related conversation.
The m12s is op at short range but pointless at long range like the thompson , no one really cares if you use m12s , it shouldnt be fixed as its fine as it is
there you happy?
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1st of all i dont care about 12s users
i dont spray i get headshots 11/12 kills
2nd of all gatling in ghost mode is pointless since a ghost can easily rush you before the barrel starts its epic roll ( but without the barrel roll time the gatling gun would be only half as awesome)
Any experienced ghost yes, but those are rare to come by these days.
With few good ghost to give me a challenge I need to make it harder on my self.
Against the average ghost these days I pull 4 to 1 KDR in ghost mode with Gatling with out spraying. I've used broken M700 and M9 combo and get 3 to 1 but that just leads to lots of kicks. -
Nope, never they put it there for a reason and will never consider changing it.
Its a dead topic...
Your not the first to do this and I'm pretty sure your not the last.
They MIGHT think about it if you put up a poll and they see a substanical amount of people saying " Yes we want this gun to be balanced" otherwise nah...
Nothing like that is gunna happen soon.
If you dont like it why don't you get one yourself? -
I did have one. Got it in P90 crates. It's not fun to use at all.UnleasedFury wrote: »Nope, never they put it there for a reason and will never consider changing it.
Its a dead topic...
Your not the first to do this and I'm pretty sure your not the last.
They MIGHT think about it if you put up a poll and they see a substanical amount of people saying " Yes we want this gun to be balanced" otherwise nah...
Nothing like that is gunna happen soon.
If you dont like it why don't you get one yourself?
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