z8 will doubble theyr money

Kuoras wrote: »

if you removed zp weps MUCH MORE PLAYERS who are actually willing to invest on this game will leave cs and come here
people see guys on pubs using m12 , spops and krisses they imedeatelly quit this game

Lol, that's not going to happen.

Kuoras wrote: »

if you removed zp weps MUCH MORE PLAYERS who are actually willing to invest on this game will leave cs and come here
people see guys on pubs using m12 , spops and krisses they imedeatelly quit this game

Who cares? This is a game.

A game.

There are far better games. If you want a game with a competitive community play a game built for it.

This game is meant to be fun, not to be competitive.

Saranghaee wrote: »

No, it doesnt.



No, they dont. If they have just arrived in crossfire they have absolutely no idea about what weapons are overpowered.

I'd be glad to be proven wrong, if this is actually what you guys offer it's almost as sad as when I decided to go to UK 3 - 8 on Rory's recommendation, made a blackwindow. and sat there until I got kicked for idling waiting for someone to join it.

Kuoras wrote: »

only the cost for a team to play on Dreamhack , entrances , TV , online TV's , things u buy there

That's just 1 million right there

The only relevant point is computer space+sleeping space, which is 850 SEK per person/PC
This equals to around 1,6 million USD (todays exchange rate counted off of their world record statistics for computers connected).
Obviously things you buy there can't be counted towards their total income since 1) those are caterers 2) if you're referring to hardware, its not exactly Dreamhack AB that gets the money from the stuff companies sell in their booths.



Equipment purchased (switches, cables, staff, security, tables etc) alone goes for about a million SEK.
Renting the hall another million.
Taxes, fees etc.
They probably make around 2 million SEK per session, equals to just over 300 000 USD.
This counting low on the expense account of course, I'm probably missing some major expenses.



And the most important part of course - this is the biggest LAN in the world.
A lan for CF wouldn't be.

Z8Games makes an annual revenue of 17.5M, they would have to organize 17 [and a half] massive LANs for tens of thousands of players to "doubble theyr money". That's unrealistic. You also fail to bring in the expense of renting out a space for tens of thousands of players to sit, a nice venue would probably cost in the tens of thousands for one day, and that's just for the room. Now, try to find 10000 computers to rent for a day.

DatMuffin wrote: »

You forgot the massive amount of electricity and bandwidth.

At LAN venues, that comes included in the price.

DatMuffin wrote: »

You forgot the massive amount of electricity and bandwidth.

Oh, right. That.

[MOD]dot wrote: »

Oh, right. That.

Yeah.

That electrical drain that would dim the cities power if the local power stations didn't increase their output in conjuction with dreamhack starting.

That and high speed connections to each computer.

[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »

..... No, to double their money it would have to be 35 massive lans to double their money raking in 1 million profit minimum.


Thats just ridiculous

True, I was just factoring in the fact that instead of making 17.5M a year, they would make 35M a year in revenue. I was considering the fact that he stated that massive LANs make $1000000 in profit.

DatMuffin wrote: »

I'd be glad to be proven wrong, if this is actually what you guys offer it's almost as sad as when I decided to go to UK 3 - 8 on Rory's recommendation, made a blackwindow. and sat there until I got kicked for idling waiting for someone to join it.

Did you even notice that there are at least 4 EU competitive players on this thread NOT agreeing with Kuoras? One person's point of view would hardly represent his team's point of view, let alone his country. Saying it represents his continent is just dumb.

Uk does not have an Echo 8. People usually gather in uk3 8 to play scrims and SOMETIMES find 5vs5's through the lobby, which is not as easy as in Echo. Rory is a randy, thus why he didnt know and told you to make a BW room on a pub channel like any other.

why are you interested in lan partys? its an ONLINE game so play it online. i mean the pings are okay.. you just need some friends to have fun

njeppero wrote: »

How will removing something double something?

Remove condom, x1000 the chances u end up with ITS'S... :P

Kuoras wrote: »

its funny to see this punk ass calling me a kid

http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=92688

anyway KID , it was just an idea so chill out u guys dont agree that's fine , soz for wasting ur time , but nexdt time think again before hidding on a computer screen

...

Are you blind? He doesn't even look remotely like a kid.

What are you tom? 22?

Kuoras wrote: »

if you removed zp weps MUCH MORE PLAYERS who are actually willing to invest on this game will leave cs and come here

WHAT would they invest in if you remove ZP? That's the only thing there is to invest to, hello?

Also, fine say an average LAN makes $1 Million. Are you going to make $17.5 Million running 17 to 18 LANs of that magnitude for the SAME game across the span of a year? Good luck with that. You're not thinking. Then you say LANs double the money so you're talking about running 34-36 LANs of that size for the SAME game in one year? *head desk*

Kuoras wrote: »

its funny to see this punk ass calling me a kid

http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=92688

anyway KID , it was just an idea so chill out u guys dont agree that's fine , soz for wasting ur time , but nexdt time think again before hidding on a computer screen

You're the one who has been wrong on every single argument you've tried to bring up.





Fact remains: We have to make money. LANs do not earn millions.
Removing income does not maximize profits.
If you have a problem with a gun, do what is already being done by several organizations (somehow you obviously missed this in spite of advocating ESL): apply rules.


CF to me is a less serious alternative to Counter-Strike.
Why would people switch to it if it became exactly like CS?

I recognize by the countless logical fallacies and factual/financial errors that you haven't thought this through, so I wouldn't mind if you just dropped this, no hard feelings.