You ever notice that...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N62Z8KzqY88
I've seen quite a bit of complaints in this community that is just plain ridiculous ranging from 'there isn't enough GP weapons' or 'Z8 is just greedy with ZP crates/weapons' and yet they never actually took a look at how much they actually get FREE.
GP GUNS: 48 (37 Purchase / 11 Crate)
MK23 Socom, M12s, M4A1, AK-47, Scar Light, K1A, Micro-Galil, MP5, MP7, Uzi, P90, AK-74, K-2, Famas, Scar Heavy, SG552, Steyr AUG A1, G36K, Type89, Winchester-Scope, QBZ-95, Tar21, XM8, Dragunov, AWM, DSR-1, Spas-12, XM1014, Dual Desperado, M60, RPK, Colt1911, M9, P228, Anaconda, Desert Eagle, Glock-18, Beretta AR-70, XM8-Adv, Thompson, Winchester, P90-Camo, AK-47-Camo, MSG90, M16S-C, Anaconda-Adv, AUG-C, D.Eagle-C
Not including the already free M16 and M700.
ZP GUNS: 26 (12 Purchasable [Temp] / 14 Crates)
SR-2M Veresk, Dual Uzi, Micro-Galil-Scope, MP5-Adv, AK-47 Camo, AKS-74U, Famas-Camo, M4A1-Adv, SG552-Camo, AWM-Camo, XM1014-Adv, Dual Colt. (Rental Set)
M14EBR, FR-F2, M4A1-E, AWM-RD, Mauser M1896, FN M249 MINIMI, RPK-Gold, AK-47 Knife, Gatling Gun, D.Eagle-Scope, Kriss Super V, AK-47-Scope, M60-Adv, M4A1-Custom. (Crate Set)
Not including 'limited time' crates such as seasonal or specials for ZP or GP.
And heck, even throwing in the BP weapons that come with purchasing ZP such as the M4A1-Silver, AK-47 Silver and M16A2 sets it at a 29 total still.
AK-Camo is also available for FREE in GP Crates and Coupons.
AWM-Camo, AK-47 Knife and M4A1-Custom are also available for FREE in Coupons.
D.Eagle-Scope is freely obtainable through Missions.
On top of the coupon weapons supplied are the PSG-1 RD, D.Eagle Gold, M4A1-Crystal, AK-47 Gold, M4A1 Gold making it a total of 11 weapons for FREE for spinning even just GP crates.
You also get the USP for FREE just for liking the Facebook group.
I mean really is 57 FREE weapons not enough for you people? That's more than double of what the current number is for ZP guns by far. Most companies would do the exact opposite, give you only a few guns to toy around with and the rest you have to pay to get. Hardly any variety at all. And the funny thing is, most of them aren't even all that better!
So cut them some slack. Be thankful you have as many to choose from as you do, and even lucky enough to possibly get even more in the future.
This is not to give Z8 a boost to their ego, it's mainly to shut the kids down that complain so much about their lack of FREE stuff.
When you got Lemons, make Lemonade~
I've seen quite a bit of complaints in this community that is just plain ridiculous ranging from 'there isn't enough GP weapons' or 'Z8 is just greedy with ZP crates/weapons' and yet they never actually took a look at how much they actually get FREE.
GP GUNS: 48 (37 Purchase / 11 Crate)
MK23 Socom, M12s, M4A1, AK-47, Scar Light, K1A, Micro-Galil, MP5, MP7, Uzi, P90, AK-74, K-2, Famas, Scar Heavy, SG552, Steyr AUG A1, G36K, Type89, Winchester-Scope, QBZ-95, Tar21, XM8, Dragunov, AWM, DSR-1, Spas-12, XM1014, Dual Desperado, M60, RPK, Colt1911, M9, P228, Anaconda, Desert Eagle, Glock-18, Beretta AR-70, XM8-Adv, Thompson, Winchester, P90-Camo, AK-47-Camo, MSG90, M16S-C, Anaconda-Adv, AUG-C, D.Eagle-C
Not including the already free M16 and M700.
ZP GUNS: 26 (12 Purchasable [Temp] / 14 Crates)
SR-2M Veresk, Dual Uzi, Micro-Galil-Scope, MP5-Adv, AK-47 Camo, AKS-74U, Famas-Camo, M4A1-Adv, SG552-Camo, AWM-Camo, XM1014-Adv, Dual Colt. (Rental Set)
M14EBR, FR-F2, M4A1-E, AWM-RD, Mauser M1896, FN M249 MINIMI, RPK-Gold, AK-47 Knife, Gatling Gun, D.Eagle-Scope, Kriss Super V, AK-47-Scope, M60-Adv, M4A1-Custom. (Crate Set)
Not including 'limited time' crates such as seasonal or specials for ZP or GP.
And heck, even throwing in the BP weapons that come with purchasing ZP such as the M4A1-Silver, AK-47 Silver and M16A2 sets it at a 29 total still.
AK-Camo is also available for FREE in GP Crates and Coupons.
AWM-Camo, AK-47 Knife and M4A1-Custom are also available for FREE in Coupons.
D.Eagle-Scope is freely obtainable through Missions.
On top of the coupon weapons supplied are the PSG-1 RD, D.Eagle Gold, M4A1-Crystal, AK-47 Gold, M4A1 Gold making it a total of 11 weapons for FREE for spinning even just GP crates.
You also get the USP for FREE just for liking the Facebook group.
I mean really is 57 FREE weapons not enough for you people? That's more than double of what the current number is for ZP guns by far. Most companies would do the exact opposite, give you only a few guns to toy around with and the rest you have to pay to get. Hardly any variety at all. And the funny thing is, most of them aren't even all that better!
So cut them some slack. Be thankful you have as many to choose from as you do, and even lucky enough to possibly get even more in the future.
This is not to give Z8 a boost to their ego, it's mainly to shut the kids down that complain so much about their lack of FREE stuff.
When you got Lemons, make Lemonade~
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Exactly, the thing is GP guns are still better then alot of ZP guns.
Example: FAMAS-Camo (even tho not perm) vs... AK47
Easy Winner...
Let me talk about a F2P racing game now, every thing new that they add to their game - is the "ZP" of their game. They haven't added anything new for ingame cash in like 4 months (they have weekly updates usually.)
So yeah... basically you can kind of say Z8games is being generous. Being able to competively play in this game all for free. You choose how easy getting what you want is >.>
This has been a public service announcement by DarthFloe >.> -
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i definitely agree, people need to stop raging.
i have never bought ANY zp, and have only ever had something like 26k from ONE survey. check out my account.
http://clan.z8games.com/charstat_cf.aspx?usn=7676796
people need to stop raging.
got kriss in 3 crates
do missions every day i can
break all the temp guns z8 GIVES away.
break temp guns i win in crates.
last summer i had a week where all my friends were away and i decided no no life and see how much gp i could make, i think i made like 170k in a week, by breaking guns, buying more crates, breaking guns, doing missions, and so forth. won ana advance and de cammo that week because of that. -
Free garbage is still garbage. It's human nature to always want the best, and by hanging the 'best' guns right above the free-player's head it's just asking for people to be mad about it.
Better than garbage you have to pay for.
None of the weapons you actually can only obtain through ZP are all that great compared to the FREE alternatives. AWM-Camo I hear is still the best sniper. Which you can get FREE. Also the renown M12S and Scar Light.
No best guns, only beast players.BaldyTrainee wrote: »This thread is about the complaints from players to z8, while your complaining about players complaining about z8.
Kewl story bro, come back next year.
Naw, merely showing kids that they have their information all wrong. Also showing that Z8's business model is wrong and they should fix it. Give kids something to complain about. That's their job, FFS. -
TastyLemon wrote: »Better than garbage you have to pay for.
None of the weapons you actually can only obtain through ZP are all that great compared to the FREE alternatives. AWM-Camo I hear is still the best sniper. Which you can get FREE. Also the renown M12S and Scar Light.
No best guns, only beast players.
AWM Camo for free? It may not directly cost ZP but you think you can get the 50+ coupons you need by opening GP crates? Sure the 5 DE scope crates you get from the dog tags may help but those only come a long only twice a month at best, usually it takes twice as long. It could take months of farming to get even close to getting one and it still needs the cooperation of the Black Market to give you the coupons.
The AWM Camo isn't even worth all that work, and despite some of the ZP guns being rather useless or only being marginally better than their GP couterparts there are plenty of good ZP weapons whose GP counterparts don't do them justice.
Any of the ZP MG's are significantly better than their GP couterparts. ZP melee weapons are ridiculously better than the knife. All of the silenced weapons are ZP, and important thing to have if you play GM. -
AWM Camo for free? It may not directly cost ZP but you think you can get the 50+ coupons you need by opening GP crates? Sure the 5 DE scope crates you get from the dog tags may help but those only come a long only twice a month at best, usually it takes twice as long. It could take months of farming to get even close to getting one and it still needs the cooperation of the Black Market to give you the coupons.
The AWM Camo isn't even worth all that work, and despite some of the ZP guns being rather useless or only being marginally better than their GP couterparts there are plenty of good ZP weapons whose GP counterparts don't do them justice.
Any of the ZP MG's are significantly better than their GP couterparts. ZP melee weapons are ridiculously better than the knife. All of the silenced weapons are ZP, and important thing to have if you play GM.
Guess you just have terrible luck or don't know how to manage your GP properly. What would you use an MG for anyways? The oh so competitive and important Hero or Mutation mode? Don't be silly.
You can also get the axe FREE from coupons as well, which I'm sure many invest in.
Buddy boi I_A_M managed to get 170k in a week, apparently he has better management sense for FREE stuff than some.
Clearly you are not a good GM player if you need all that fancy gear, just need a good set of eyes, ears and hands. Don't worry though, you'll always have a spot next to Lemon's heart. You'll get good eventually. -
Am I to assume that everybody has as good luck as you and your buddy boi I_A_M have? He's won 3 crates guns, pretty lucky for someone who doesn't buy ZP if you ask me. He also does the mission every day which not everybody can do. He also listed an ancient GP gaining method that doesn't work anymore. You can't break temp crate guns more than once now. He also had to rely on luck for those temp guns to pop up. I've spent GP on an alt to get a temp gun via BM so I can get a decent gun while leveling up but it ended up costing more than it would to just buy a perm one because they didn't pop up.
And again with the coupons - http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=158402 400 crates (that's 64k GP?) got him 17 coupons. You need 50 for an axe, 60 for the AWM camo I believe. Not exactly what I would call free considering one could probably spend less time just getting a job to earn money to buy zp than farming the GP necessary.
One silenced gun isn't 'all that fancy' in terms of gear and I can do fine without one. But it's still better and the fact that it's there will make people want it even though they can't have it. Also passive insults don't make your arguments any more credible. -
Am I to assume that everybody has as good luck as you and your buddy boi I_A_M have? He's won 3 crates guns, pretty lucky for someone who doesn't buy ZP if you ask me. He also does the mission every day which not everybody can do. He also listed an ancient GP gaining method that doesn't work anymore. You can't break temp crate guns more than once now. He also had to rely on luck for those temp guns to pop up. I've spent GP on an alt to get a temp gun via BM so I can get a decent gun while leveling up but it ended up costing more than it would to just buy a perm one because they didn't pop up.
And again with the coupons - http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=158402 400 crates (that's 64k GP?) got him 17 coupons. You need 50 for an axe, 60 for the AWM camo I believe. Not exactly what I would call free considering one could probably spend less time just getting a job to earn money to buy zp than farming the GP necessary.
One silenced gun isn't 'all that fancy' in terms of gear and I can do fine without one. But it's still better and the fact that it's there will make people want it even though they can't have it. Also passive insults don't make your arguments any more credible.
Its not ancient, any new person can break the guns for 2500-10k gp each and they are in every crate. Which according to my statistics is roughly 62k+ for all the crates, give or take.
Another 15.5k from doing one mission a day which only takes a small portion of your time in addition to you breaking those temporary weapons you won't need.
Not including the GP you'd earn from the D.Eagle-Scope crates. (But you have poor luck it seems. I put it here for other's values.)
And if your really desperate I hear Hero mode has a high gp value as well for those strapped for virtual currency.
But you seem to misunderstand the FREE part. Even us successful accounting business men don't spend a dime on this game, even though we could, why would I when I can get it all for FREE? Easily as well.
Complain about that being work? Geeze, you must have a pretty lax life. A game thats a job? If so, seems to be a theme for most so seems like your sunk then. Every MMO follows this standard, only, most aren't as FREE.
Also, don't say its important then if it's not needed to define your skills. They want a silenced weapon? As mentioned before there's the M4A1-Crystal availiable, or OH, the M4A1-Custom Crystal, which also doesn't cost a dime to get. Oh how silly me, I missed a FREE gun. -
TastyLemon wrote: »Its not ancient, any new person can break the guns for 2500-10k gp each and they are in every crate. Which according to my statistics is roughly 62k+ for all the crates, give or take.
Another 15.5k from doing one mission a day which only takes a small portion of your time in addition to you breaking those temporary weapons you won't need.
Not including the GP you'd earn from the D.Eagle-Scope crates. (But you have poor luck it seems. I put it here for other's values.)
And if your really desperate I hear Hero mode has a high gp value as well for those strapped for virtual currency.
But you seem to misunderstand the FREE part. Even us successful accounting business men don't spend a dime on this game, even though we could, why would I when I can get it all for FREE? Easily as well.
Complain about that being work? Geeze, you must have a pretty lax life. A game thats a job? If so, seems to be a theme for most so seems like your sunk then. Every MMO follows this standard, only, most aren't as FREE.
Also, don't say its important then if it's not needed to define your skills. They want a silenced weapon? As mentioned before there's the M4A1-Crystal availiable, or OH, the M4A1-Custom Crystal, which also doesn't cost a dime to get. Oh how silly me, I missed a FREE gun.
Any 'new' person wouldn't have access to several of the ribbons, since a few of them either take a while to get, or are rewards for participating in past events. Some of them also require ZP, so you can't say that a new player would be able to get the M4-C-C.
The M4-Crystal is a coupon gun if I'm not mistaken, but I've covered that in previous posts.
You seem to be missing the entire point I'm trying to make. I don't deny the fact that some ZP weapons are available without spending money. My point is that they are so hard to get that the amount of effort that would have to be put forth into getting them is ultimately not worth it, because it is faster to just make money in real life to pay for in-game money than it is to make money in-game.
As for the 'it's a game, not work' argument - it may just be me, but I see no difference in doing something you don't want in-game to get something you want in-game, and doing something you don't want in real life to get something you want in real life. If grinding and farming are enjoyable to people, they wouldn't complain about having to do so. -
Any 'new' person wouldn't have access to several of the ribbons, since a few of them either take a while to get, or are rewards for participating in past events. Some of them also require ZP, so you can't say that a new player would be able to get the M4-C-C.
The M4-Crystal is a coupon gun if I'm not mistaken, but I've covered that in previous posts.
You seem to be missing the entire point I'm trying to make. I don't deny the fact that some ZP weapons are available without spending money. My point is that they are so hard to get that the amount of effort that would have to be put forth into getting them is ultimately not worth it, because it is faster to just make money in real life to pay for in-game money than it is to make money in-game.
As for the 'it's a game, not work' argument - it may just be me, but I see no difference in doing something you don't want in-game to get something you want in-game, and doing something you don't want in real life to get something you want in real life. If grinding and farming are enjoyable to people, they wouldn't complain about having to do so.
Was merely pointing out that a complete noob would get the benefit of saving of their own gp quite easily. But the nice thing about ribbons are that they just keep coming. Usually it all comes down to if your motivated to get them or not. Which is what essentially it all boils down to. You can basically get an easy 6 ribbons in such a small time that its hardly worth even noting here. You automatically get 2 or so just for making an account. Your already 10% there.
If your not motivated to do even little work for big gain then there's no profit for you. You are either successful or unsuccessful through what you do. If you are unsuccessful (especially due to lack of motivation) then you have two other options; lucky or unlucky. If your sadly the sap who is both unsuccessful and unlucky I would suggest a fresh start. Learn a few things and try again unless your someone who isn't even motivated to try again. Which is poor ethics in the real world, let alone the working one.
You also have the option to do surveys if you feel your also lucky. You get FREE zp for doing little (but of course apparently thats too much work for some people).
No one ever claimed you had to grind or farm to achieve any of those goals. If you want it fast, but lack the motivation to get there, that's a fault on your part after all. Casual play even for 1 hour a day is enough to generally reap the profits I mentioned before without much risk. Still don't need to touch a dime. If you want something fast, your work towards it or you take the high risk road and see how lucky you are. It's not the fault of 'FREE' that your standards are set so high. -
YummyOrange
He's a sweet guy, I've met him. Better than his Annoying brother.RawrJafrikan wrote: »IS this really Limes?
or his distant cousin Lemon?
Sadly I am not that dashingly handsome entrepaneur, I am his almost equivilant counterpart the successful accountant.
We need more Limes, never enough. -
TastyLemon wrote: »Was merely pointing out that a complete noob would get the benefit of saving of their own gp quite easily. But the nice thing about ribbons are that they just keep coming. Usually it all comes down to if your motivated to get them or not. Which is what essentially it all boils down to. You can basically get an easy 6 ribbons in such a small time that its hardly worth even noting here. You automatically get 2 or so just for making an account. Your already 10% there.
If your not motivated to do even little work for big gain then there's no profit for you. You are either successful or unsuccessful through what you do. If you are unsuccessful (especially due to lack of motivation) then you have two other options; lucky or unlucky. If your sadly the sap who is both unsuccessful and unlucky I would suggest a fresh start. Learn a few things and try again unless your someone who isn't even motivated to try again. Which is poor ethics in the real world, let alone the working one.
You also have the option to do surveys if you feel your also lucky. You get FREE zp for doing little (but of course apparently thats too much work for some people).
No one ever claimed you had to grind or farm to achieve any of those goals. If you want it fast, but lack the motivation to get there, that's a fault on your part after all. Casual play even for 1 hour a day is enough to generally reap the profits I mentioned before without much risk. Still don't need to touch a dime. If you want something fast, your work towards it or you take the high risk road and see how lucky you are. It's not the fault of 'FREE' that your standards are set so high.
I wouldn't consider slightly enhanced virtual items a big gain, and nor would I consider playing an hour a day daily for months little work. But then again, I don't count actually ENJOYING the game with what one would already have to be part of that hour. You can't assume that people play this game like it's an MMORPG and they're here to just watch their numbers go up (which is not really true of MMORPG players either. The emphasis being on the second M - multiplayer. People play to interact and cooperate with others). -
Im pretty most of them aren't talking about the number in game, it's about the numbers they added since they took over from Suba (for those of you who don't know, Suba was the original owner for around 6-8 months before z8 took over). Before z8 took over, I believe there were only 2 zp (sp) weapons, which were the ak and m4 camo, z8 has added the rest. As for gp weapons, not counting crates (since z8 added the black market system) they have only added around 8-10 that I counted from your list, which btw I can barely read since it's almost the same color as the background.
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I wouldn't consider slightly enhanced virtual items a big gain, and nor would I consider playing an hour a day daily for months little work. But then again, I don't count actually ENJOYING the game with what one would already have to be part of that hour. You can't assume that people play this game like it's an MMORPG and they're here to just watch their numbers go up (which is not really true of MMORPG players either. The emphasis being on the second M - multiplayer. People play to interact and cooperate with others).
Makes me question what you are indeed here for then. If playing a casual game is apparently work it makes me wonder what sort of fun you normally got lined up. Grinding your k/d to look good? Tryharding to look like a pro player? Unless you really don't play this game then I really don't consider your input at all. See previous post about the unsuccessful and unlucky ones without motivation.
The game is to shoot and kill people or blow up objectives. Thats your interaction. The occassional kick window to greet you. Chat function for your much desired communication. Your 'quests' are your missions with a small little storyline provided by the GM Saladin.
Its even got your traditional ganking and beggers that plagues every MMO. Only difference I see is that your world is travelling from channel to channel to small rooms. Your gear shops are provided by a nice little organized menu from clicking a button. Think of the lobby as your 'in town' sector.
Clans are essentially the equivilant of guilds; I could go on by the way to compare this silly game with even rpg elements. The only difference here is how they are presenting it.
Oh, and if you really think players truly cooperate with each other outside the competitive scene, next time you play GM, check how many cover your back when you try to boldly defuse the bomb. (But that's high expectations of your effort.) -
TastyLemon wrote: »Makes me question what you are indeed here for then. If playing a casual game is apparently work it makes me wonder what sort of fun you normally got lined up. Grinding your k/d to look good? Tryharding to look like a pro player? Unless you really don't play this game then I really don't consider your input at all. See previous post about the unsuccessful and unlucky ones without motivation.
The game is to shoot and kill people or blow up objectives. Thats your interaction. The occassional kick window to greet you. Chat function for your much desired communication. Your 'quests' are your missions with a small little storyline provided by the GM Saladin.
Its even got your traditional ganking and beggers that plagues every MMO. Only difference I see is that your world is travelling from channel to channel to small rooms. Your gear shops are provided by a nice little organized menu from clicking a button. Think of the lobby as your 'in town' sector.
Clans are essentially the equivilant of guilds; I could go on by the way to compare this silly game with even rpg elements. The only difference here is how they are presenting it.
Oh, and if you really think players truly cooperate with each other outside the competitive scene, next time you play GM, check how many cover your back when you try to boldly defuse the bomb. (But that's high expectations of your effort.)
Lol GM Saladin
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