Why the kick system should be removed.
EDIT: Wow, I look at the barracks right after I post this and see a thread closed on the exact same subject. I'm dumb. In any case, maybe GMs / MODs can give us an idea of why it won't be implemented, if what Dot says is correct?
We've all been there before - you're owning it up in a GM or SnD pub and cracking dome left and right. You take a look at your score, and you're 10-0. You hear that last enemy and run towards him, ready to win the game. And BAM, you have been kicked. All that work for nothing - no exp, no GP, no satisfying win, nothing.
It seems like this situation is far too common nowadays. The illiterate unskilled population of CF simply can't wrap their heads around the fact that PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN THEM. They kick skilled legit players, and let hackers run rampant. It's at the point where every day you see threads where people come on the forums and complain about getting kicked. Sure, it's annoying as hell, but let's face it - they're right. Why should they get kicked just because they're doing well?
So here is what I propose - we remove the kick system completely. When you think about it, it causes way more harm than it does good. If a legit player is doing well (getting 5+ kills in a row / round, or having an insane KD) in a round based game (SnD, GM, etc) over 50% they will be kicked. People on their team will kick them simply to get ace or MVP. And then, when an actual hacker plays, they will not be kicked. It seems to me that if the "hacker" (legit player) is "stealing" all the kills but not helping the team win, then they will be kicked. And if the actual hacker is getting all the kills but winning round after round, they will not be kicked. More often than not, a legit player will be kicked instead of an actual hacker.
Which brings me to my second point - hackers are too few and far between to need a kick system. I don't know about you guys, but I rarely see hackers - only about one in every 10-20 games. I am perfectly fine with leaving 1 out of 15 games just to not play against a hacker. However, I am not fine with getting kicked out of 10/15 games just so that when a real hacker comes around, there is a possibility of them getting kicked.
The way I see it, there are almost no negatives to removing the kick system. Sure, a hacker will sometimes ruin your game, but compared to never being kicked again, I feel as though it's a minor sacrifice. Besides, if your score is good enough to keep, you'll simply have to hang on for a couple of rounds until the game ends. If not, you can just leave and be on your way to finding a better room. Not to mention the fact that you can always play passworded rooms.
So think about it. You could either keep the kick system and be faced with:
- Getting kicked all the time for no reason
- Wasting your time and effort due to kicks near the end of games
- Losing out on precious exp and GP due to kicks
or abolish the kick system and enjoy:
- Being able to play freely without worry of being kicked
- Gain all the GP and EXP that you rightfully earned
- Listening to bads cry about how you "hack" and need to contract a deadly flesh eating virus
- Getting higher and higher scores without fear of being kicked.
Let me know what you guys think. Put a # somewhere in your post if you read the entire thing.
tl;dr version: bads will be bads and kick you, let's get this awful kick system removed.
We've all been there before - you're owning it up in a GM or SnD pub and cracking dome left and right. You take a look at your score, and you're 10-0. You hear that last enemy and run towards him, ready to win the game. And BAM, you have been kicked. All that work for nothing - no exp, no GP, no satisfying win, nothing.
It seems like this situation is far too common nowadays. The illiterate unskilled population of CF simply can't wrap their heads around the fact that PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN THEM. They kick skilled legit players, and let hackers run rampant. It's at the point where every day you see threads where people come on the forums and complain about getting kicked. Sure, it's annoying as hell, but let's face it - they're right. Why should they get kicked just because they're doing well?
So here is what I propose - we remove the kick system completely. When you think about it, it causes way more harm than it does good. If a legit player is doing well (getting 5+ kills in a row / round, or having an insane KD) in a round based game (SnD, GM, etc) over 50% they will be kicked. People on their team will kick them simply to get ace or MVP. And then, when an actual hacker plays, they will not be kicked. It seems to me that if the "hacker" (legit player) is "stealing" all the kills but not helping the team win, then they will be kicked. And if the actual hacker is getting all the kills but winning round after round, they will not be kicked. More often than not, a legit player will be kicked instead of an actual hacker.
Which brings me to my second point - hackers are too few and far between to need a kick system. I don't know about you guys, but I rarely see hackers - only about one in every 10-20 games. I am perfectly fine with leaving 1 out of 15 games just to not play against a hacker. However, I am not fine with getting kicked out of 10/15 games just so that when a real hacker comes around, there is a possibility of them getting kicked.
The way I see it, there are almost no negatives to removing the kick system. Sure, a hacker will sometimes ruin your game, but compared to never being kicked again, I feel as though it's a minor sacrifice. Besides, if your score is good enough to keep, you'll simply have to hang on for a couple of rounds until the game ends. If not, you can just leave and be on your way to finding a better room. Not to mention the fact that you can always play passworded rooms.
So think about it. You could either keep the kick system and be faced with:
- Getting kicked all the time for no reason
- Wasting your time and effort due to kicks near the end of games
- Losing out on precious exp and GP due to kicks
or abolish the kick system and enjoy:
- Being able to play freely without worry of being kicked
- Gain all the GP and EXP that you rightfully earned
- Listening to bads cry about how you "hack" and need to contract a deadly flesh eating virus
- Getting higher and higher scores without fear of being kicked.
Let me know what you guys think. Put a # somewhere in your post if you read the entire thing.
tl;dr version: bads will be bads and kick you, let's get this awful kick system removed.
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you don't see hackers too often because they usually get kicked. if you're so good then join a team and l2scrim, stop pubbing.
I have gone farther in leagues than you ever will, so please don't give me that.
And if hackers always get kicked, why is it that they never get kicked while I am in the room with them? -
DFearULuv2H8 wrote: »He wants it remove, because his dumbass hacks and doesn't want to be kicked anymore.
I love how you just insulted the OP out of ignorance. I'm pretty sure that someone who cares about the game (i.e. someone who's actually playing legit) WILL write a wall of text in a forum where nobody gives a damn just to say that something is wrong, and he's right - the kick vote system is the most abused system in CF, I can't play a single game till the last round simply because I'm too good for them (yeah, legit in case you go on that "you-are-a-hacker-and-i-am-stupid" streak again..), even though I'm not the kind of player who ends up with a 4+ k/d in each single game but I'm good enough to hold ACE/MVP for a really long time, and then I get kicked either because some jealous f*** wants the ACE or just simply because someone on the other team has a clanmate in my team.
What makes me really furious is when there is a hacker (i.e. really obvious single-shot kills, speeding, or getting multi-kill streaks while standing still) on the other team, and... well nobody is even TRYING to get a kick vote up.
I admit, however, that the kick vote system is *sometimes* effective and worth having it, but at least give me my damn exp/GP till the point when I got kicked. # -
@ Aimoperative
There's plenty of These type of threads, so I wouldn't expect them not to type these.
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Original Topic :
The Kick System is NOT ONLY for Hackers. You might have filled that in, but I tend to get bored for reading wall of texts. Simply put, If you're good or decent, farm your way up to delta server. If you can kill delta people easy, go Echo 8. -
dagsquared wrote: »Why the kick system should be removed.Why you need to STFU:
- Every day there is a moron that makes this thread, because he got kicked by some noob. And every day this thread gets locked, because mods hate listening to hypocrites whining about being kicked. Yes, hypocrites, because these whiners are the worst abusers.
- Removing the kick-vote system will only turn this game into a paradise for hackers, for no one would be able to kick them anymore. So what do you prefer? Getting kicked every other game, or facing hackers EVERY game?
Conclusion:
You're a moron that needs to switch his brain on before running his mouth.
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Why you need to STFU:
- Every day there is a moron that makes this thread, because he got kicked by some noob. And every day this thread gets locked, because mods hate listening to hypocrites whining about being kicked. Yes, hypocrites, because these whiners are the worst abusers.
- Removing the kick-vote system will only turn this game into a paradise for hackers, for no one would be able to kick them anymore. So what do you prefer? Getting kicked every other game, or facing hackers EVERY game?
Conclusion:
You're a moron that needs to switch his brain on before running his mouth.
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First of all: you sure talk a lot for someone who didn't actually read the thread.
Second of all: you seem so angry that people always make threads about this. If the kick system was removed, this would not be a problem.
Third of all: There are already very few hackers in the game as it is. Removing the kick system won't make them run rampant. It isn't the kick system that prevents hackers from flooding the game. -
dagsquared wrote: »Third of all: There are already very few hackers in the game as it is. Removing the kick system won't make them run rampant. It isn't the kick system that prevents hackers from flooding the game.If there are only a few hackers in this game, then why am I still reporting about a dozen hackers per day?
Hackers ARE flooding this game. And without the kick vote system, they WILL ruin every match you are in. The next time a cracked version of the VIP hack comes out, Crossfire can shut down. Because without the ability to stand up against hackers, players will quit by the masses, and won't even bother to stick around to report anymore.
The kick vote system isn't the problem. Its the childish mentality of its users that is causing the problem. Crying little dweebs like you, with overblown egos, that think that anyone that kills them must be a hacker. And instead of educating themselves in what to look for when suspecting foul play, they spam the chat until someone finally puts up a vote.
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Crying little dweebs like you, with overblown egos, that think that anyone that kills them must be a hacker.
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Wow, probably the dumbest thing you've said, besides the time's you've tried to talk about competitive play. -
Why you need to STFU:
- Every day there is a moron that makes this thread, because he got kicked by some noob. And every day this thread gets locked, because mods hate listening to hypocrites whining about being kicked. Yes, hypocrites, because these whiners are the worst abusers.
- Removing the kick-vote system will only turn this game into a paradise for hackers, for no one would be able to kick them anymore. So what do you prefer? Getting kicked every other game, or facing hackers EVERY game?
Conclusion:
You're a moron that needs to switch his brain on before running his mouth.
My Suggestions: Ak-47 Custom FN Five-seveN Custom Glock-18 Adv. M110 s.a.s.s. M4A1 Masterkey MAC 10 Suppressed XM110 Spec-opsIf there are only a few hackers in this game, then why am I still reporting about a dozen hackers per day?
Hackers ARE flooding this game. And without the kick vote system, they WILL ruin every match you are in. The next time a cracked version of the VIP hack comes out, Crossfire can shut down. Because without the ability to stand up against hackers, players will quit by the masses, and won't even bother to stick around to report anymore.
The kick vote system isn't the problem. Its the childish mentality of its users that is causing the problem. Crying little dweebs like you, with overblown egos, that think that anyone that kills them must be a hacker. And instead of educating themselves in what to look for when suspecting foul play, they spam the chat until someone finally puts up a vote.
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I've heard enough from your Bearded chin.
You are the one that fakes about being a female because your a low life and have nothing better to do but be a pedophile.
1.You got your pictures off of a German Clothing website.
2.You faked about being a teacher. Unless you teach people how to fake their sex on forums.
3. LEAVE -
I thought I'd actually respond.Why you need to STFU:- Every day there is a moron that makes this thread, because he got kicked by some noob. And every day this thread gets locked, because mods hate listening to hypocrites whining about being kicked. Yes, hypocrites, because these whiners are the worst abusers.
Wait, what? People who dislike being kicked for just being good are hypocrites? And your reasoning is because they are the "worst abusers."
You understand that that makes absolutely no sense right? That's like me telling you that you're a hypocrite for usiing pink font, and that my reasoning is that you're an abuser. That makes absolutely no sense.- Removing the kick-vote system will only turn this game into a paradise for hackers, for no one would be able to kick them anymore. So what do you prefer? Getting kicked every other game, or facing hackers EVERY game?
Dag has already said that hackers are rarely sighted, and even if they are, rarely kicked. The question right now is whether or not the kick vote is detering hackers from actually starting and playing CF. If it isn't, which I have very little doubt of, then there will not be any change to the gameplay, besides a few extra times you'll have to leave instead of kicking.Conclusion:
You're a moron that needs to switch his brain on before running his mouth.
Not really.If there are only a few hackers in this game, then why am I still reporting about a dozen hackers per day?
How many games a day do you play?
I play TD and SnD throughout different servers; I average about 1 hacker every 10-15 games. Either you're stupid unlucky, or you play a LOT of CF, as the general amount seems to be 1/10-15 among the people I've spoken to.Hackers ARE flooding this game. And without the kick vote system, they WILL ruin every match you are in. The next time a cracked version of the VIP hack comes out, Crossfire can shut down. Because without the ability to stand up against hackers, players will quit by the masses, and won't even bother to stick around to report anymore.
Actually, this didn't happen in open beta; ya know, ghosts with guns, speedhacker vs. speedhacker games, etc. Everybody I knew thought it was hilarious; I didn't notice a drop in the amount of players (info gained from looking at the server bars whenever I logged in) at all.The kick vote system isn't the problem. Its the childish mentality of its users that is causing the problem. Crying little dweebs like you, with overblown egos, that think that anyone that kills them must be a hacker. And instead of educating themselves in what to look for when suspecting foul play, they spam the chat until someone finally puts up a vote.
Dag plays competitive CF. His team placed 3rd in WOGL S2. Yet you think he thinks that the game is flooded with hackers?
Wait, let me read your post again.
"Crying little dweebs like YOU [...] that think that anyone who kills them is a hacker"
At this point it becomes apparent that you haven't even read his original post. Dag is saying that many legit people are kicked in comparison to the few hackers that he encounters, let alone the ones of those who are kicked.
But yet, even with that, you say earlier "If there are only a few hackers in Crossfire, then when am I reporting about a dozen a day?"
This quote suggests that you HAVE read his thread, as you are responding to his argument. So in your reality, Dag thinks that everybody who kills him cheats, but also that there are very few cheaters.
yea... -
To bring some kind of order, why not think about this mod to the kick system.
If it's 9+ or something people in a room, it takes 2 votes from the system to start a vote kick. If one QQ'er wants you gone, he can't straight away. It should at least reduce the number of votes for legitimate players. But when a hacker comes along, they'll get kicked as normal, and if not, they wouldn't be kicked anyway cause the other team would be too noobish and just HAVE to win.
Sounds a good idea to me anyway. Anyone got another opinion? -
The kick vote system isn't the problem. Its the childish mentality of its users that is causing the problem. Crying little dweebs like you, with overblown egos, that think that anyone that kills them must be a hacker. And instead of educating themselves in what to look for when suspecting foul play, they spam the chat until someone finally puts up a vote.
I don't understand how you can be this stupid. It's quite clear to me that you did not actually read any of my thread.
NEVER DID I SAY THAT THE KICK VOTE SYSTEM WAS THE PROBLEM, and whether or not the kick vote system is the problem is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is, legit players get kicked way more often than hackers. I think we can both agree on the fact that this game is flooded with incompetent Brazilians who kick anyone who kills them more than once. If you had read past the first sentence of my thread, you would realize that I UNDERSTAND THEY ARE THE PROBLEM. However, no matter what you do, it will be impossible to change this fact. What is changeable, however, is the kick vote system. You can get rid of the kick system, and consequentially get rid of these crying Brazilians.
Also, getting rid of the amount of hackers would not increase the amount of hackers a significant amount. Hackers can already play in games with little to no fear of being kicked, because as we all know, THEY AREN'T GETTING KICKED. Sure, if you play in a game with intelligent, skilled players, they probably will get kicked. However, if they are helping their team get wins, their team will most likely not kick them. Hackers already can play games without getting kicked, so removing the kick system altogether will not change this. -
I've heard enough from your Bearded chin.
You are the one that fakes about being a female because your a low life and have nothing better to do but be a pedophile.
1.You got your pictures off of a German Clothing website.
2.You faked about being a teacher. Unless you teach people how to fake their sex on forums.
3. LEAVE
Get back under your bridge, troll.I thought I'd actually respond.
Wait, what? People who dislike being kicked for just being good are hypocrites? And your reasoning is because they are the "worst abusers."
Nope, 9 out of the 10 randies posting "remove the kick vote system" are the hypocrites, because these same randies are the ones doing the kick vote abusing in game. And these randies are crying on the forum because they got kicked for crying hack at the wrong people.
Does it make sense now?Dag has already said that hackers are rarely sighted, and even if they are, rarely kicked. The question right now is whether or not the kick vote is detering hackers from actually starting and playing CF. If it isn't, which I have very little doubt of, then there will not be any change to the gameplay, besides a few extra times you'll have to leave instead of kicking.
Like I said. If they are such a rare sight, then why am I still reporting them by the dozens? Flavor of the month being the "Speed" hack and the "Master Ghost" hack. Though I still catch the old fashion "Wall" hacker with regularity as well. Explain to me how that is, if they are such a rare sight?
Roughly an hour per day. 2 or 3 if I can't sleep.How many games a day do you play?I play TD and SnD throughout different servers; I average about 1 hacker every 10-15 games. Either you're stupid unlucky, or you play a LOT of CF, as the general amount seems to be 1/10-15 among the people I've spoken to.
I mostly play GM, where you run into the most hackers. Especially the "Master Ghost" and the "Wall" hackers.Actually, this didn't happen in open beta; ya know, ghosts with guns, speedhacker vs. speedhacker games, etc. Everybody I knew thought it was hilarious; I didn't notice a drop in the amount of players (info gained from looking at the server bars whenever I logged in) at all.
This was in the time where CF had about 5% of the amount of players it has now?Dag plays competitive CF. His team placed 3rd in WOGL S2. Yet you think he thinks that the game is flooded with hackers?
Competitive play can't be compared to public play. And if competitive play is so much better, then he shouldn't whine about a system than concerns public play, and just stick to competitive play.Wait, let me read your post again.
"Crying little dweebs like YOU [...] that think that anyone who kills them is a hacker"
That sentence should have been rephrased, cause not all of it reflects on Dag.dagsquared wrote: »I don't understand how you can be this stupid. It's quite clear to me that you did not actually read any of my thread.
NEVER DID I SAY THAT THE KICK VOTE SYSTEM WAS THE PROBLEM, and whether or not the kick vote system is the problem is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is, legit players get kicked way more often than hackers. I think we can both agree on the fact that this game is flooded with incompetent Brazilians who kick anyone who kills them more than once. If you had read past the first sentence of my thread, you would realize that I UNDERSTAND THEY ARE THE PROBLEM. However, no matter what you do, it will be impossible to change this fact. What is changeable, however, is the kick vote system. You can get rid of the kick system, and consequentially get rid of these crying Brazilians.
Also, getting rid of the amount of hackers would not increase the amount of hackers a significant amount. Hackers can already play in games with little to no fear of being kicked, because as we all know, THEY AREN'T GETTING KICKED. Sure, if you play in a game with intelligent, skilled players, they probably will get kicked. However, if they are helping their team get wins, their team will most likely not kick them. Hackers already can play games without getting kicked, so removing the kick system altogether will not change this.
Did you or did you not make a thread to have the kick-vote system removed? You didn't suggest a thread to have kick-vote abusers removed. A thread about removing the REAL problem. No, you are suggesting to remove the tool they abuse, rather than the abuser.
You put the gun on trial, rather than the man that pulled the trigger, so to speak. Proposing to remove this gun from everyone's hands, so that a few can't abuse its purpose. That this gun was made to protect many people's homes... Well heck, sacrifices need to be made, right?
Wrong!
If you deny people the right to protect themselves because of those that abuse that right, then your not solving the problem, you are replacing it with a new one.
A solution would be to give the host the responsibility to keep a match clean. That way only 1 person in a match can either use or abuse the system. Its not a perfect solution, but it is a 100 times better than what you are proposing.
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