New Patch Clusterfawk
Believe me when I say that over the course of the last two years, I've seen the entire spectrum of hacks, and I've known good times and bad when it comes to the number of hackers. And honestly, this is only marginally better than it was last year when hackers were at their peak. Now it's all well and good if you guys wanna rage me out and call another QQ thread, but the fact remains that this game is in a pathetic state right now.
The people at Z8 would do well to reverse engineer some of these hack programs, because there's no way in hell someone could write and widely distribute a new hack every patch in as little as two days. They're obviously just taking the same code and changing a few lines, so if you can determine how the program fundamentally functions, you might be able to at least make it A LITTLE harder for them.
As it stands, this game is virtually unplayable. I've seen five hackers in a single Alaska game, and while some get kicked, new ones keep joining. In TDM, it's virtually impossible to vote kick everyone who hacks with just one vote per person. And when people are 1hitting or underground, sometimes I start games at 0-4. It's impossible to maintain my ratio fighting against people who are under the bloody floor.
Thanks for patching the game and everything; I do get more FPS now and the reg still seems ok. I'm not even all that p1ssed about them only adding ZP items every time. I just want to be able to play the game without some idiot BR (yeah I said it) ruining the fun. How about you start perm banning accounts that are less than 90 days old? How about banning IP's? How about adding level restrictions to the game options? I don't care what you do, just do SOMETHING to let us know that you give a damn about what's going on.
A lot of people have invested a lot of time and money in this game, and no other revenue-generating game on the PLANET has been so negligent in dealing with cheaters. People have poured hundreds or even thousands of dollars PER PERSON into this game, now take that money and do something useful with it, or this game is gonna die out in another year. I've uninstalled this game so many times that I've lost count, but obviously it has some merit or I wouldn't even bother with it. That said, this is it--I'm at my limit. This patch only kept my interest for a few days, and no amount of great content in the world can make up for a poorly managed game. If you took all the time, effort, and money put into making new guns, new modes, and worthless trash in the item shop and worked ONLY on making this game hack-free, you'd make it a hell of a lot better and maybe get some of your old fanbase back in the process. Three of my friends started playing this game in 2009 with me. I'm the only one left...
The people at Z8 would do well to reverse engineer some of these hack programs, because there's no way in hell someone could write and widely distribute a new hack every patch in as little as two days. They're obviously just taking the same code and changing a few lines, so if you can determine how the program fundamentally functions, you might be able to at least make it A LITTLE harder for them.
As it stands, this game is virtually unplayable. I've seen five hackers in a single Alaska game, and while some get kicked, new ones keep joining. In TDM, it's virtually impossible to vote kick everyone who hacks with just one vote per person. And when people are 1hitting or underground, sometimes I start games at 0-4. It's impossible to maintain my ratio fighting against people who are under the bloody floor.
Thanks for patching the game and everything; I do get more FPS now and the reg still seems ok. I'm not even all that p1ssed about them only adding ZP items every time. I just want to be able to play the game without some idiot BR (yeah I said it) ruining the fun. How about you start perm banning accounts that are less than 90 days old? How about banning IP's? How about adding level restrictions to the game options? I don't care what you do, just do SOMETHING to let us know that you give a damn about what's going on.
A lot of people have invested a lot of time and money in this game, and no other revenue-generating game on the PLANET has been so negligent in dealing with cheaters. People have poured hundreds or even thousands of dollars PER PERSON into this game, now take that money and do something useful with it, or this game is gonna die out in another year. I've uninstalled this game so many times that I've lost count, but obviously it has some merit or I wouldn't even bother with it. That said, this is it--I'm at my limit. This patch only kept my interest for a few days, and no amount of great content in the world can make up for a poorly managed game. If you took all the time, effort, and money put into making new guns, new modes, and worthless trash in the item shop and worked ONLY on making this game hack-free, you'd make it a hell of a lot better and maybe get some of your old fanbase back in the process. Three of my friends started playing this game in 2009 with me. I'm the only one left...
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First response from others will be to remind you Z8 doesn't handle hack protection(to me this isn't true you pay for crappy protection expect crappy protection).
The next will be o another qq thread god I hate people that cry, well to be frank this game is so full of cheaters many many of them w/ 200 ping(you can fill in where you think I see hackers from) so why don't they code a ping limiter to be selected what setting it will be on when rooms are made? I will tell you why they are simply to cheap to invest into any code that requires coding for simply this version. If it isn't copy paste and language translation we won't get it and that is garbage. Letting us segregate ourselves in rooms by ping would be the single best addition they could add but watch they won't even comment on this idea.
Third will be o you just a noob these are just pro players, BS the day after these public hacks are patched I find myself often a full kill better in k/d then suddenly the public hack is out and suddenly a bunch of 200 pingers are 20 and 2 thats crap and we all know it. If you won't truly ban people perm ban not the 7 day ban, and you are truly not willing to mac address ban or require some sort of ID to make another account then this will never get better.
The next will be you clearly weren't around for the suba days(this one cracks me up). First yes I was and things are pretty damn bad right now, are the hacks all speed hacks and knife kills at range no, but the rooms are full of 1 shot idiots and those underground etc etc etc.
People will always come in and defend z8 I swear some of you have stockholm syndrom the way you protect the same company that honestly hasn't taken any suggestions from us in the region the game is really for NA/Britain in ages. Everything involves the crap mode of mutant escape etc etc and I don't know many that would put any time in these modes.
Frankly I don't care if people want to get ****ty the game currently isn't much fun to play and outside of slightly better reg there hasn't been anything added that I cared for in AGES. I'm also one of those that has spent alot of zp through my own cash and offers and that entitles me to at least passable service in my mind( don't give me this is a donation, no when I put money in a game I expect a certain lvl of service and I don't feel like any of us have received that lvl of service in ages. -
Every game that has Xtrap is fail... They should update Xtrap or buy PunkBuster which is like a LOT better than this piece of crap. I mean seriously, yesterday I haven't joined single game without fu*king hackers. And add fu*king IP ban and add permanent ban. Also I was thinking about ping limiter too. That would be great. If you could set that in your room there won't be any ping that is lets say 80+. But no Z8 don't care, they'll just make new re-skins of old ZP weapons so they could get more and more money.
I hope some Administrator will actually read this and reply. (which won't happen)
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Not bad of a thread, I think though that Z8 does use that reverse-engineer when they download hacks to test and patch them... but I can't exactly recall the wording that Saidin used about that... oh yea they work with Xtrap, not just relying on them, but like teamwork, that said, it IS Xtrap's job to provide an adequate anti-cheat engine.
Still do not see how it is always the BR who has to be hacking, when there are just as capable players doing it from NA to Europe, but that's your opinion, so whatever.
This is a QQ thread, just a reminder.
They do IP ban if you don't think so...
And I think Zynga by FAAARRRR outruns Z8games in the award for negligence; either to the game or to its customers, at least with Farmville, it is PLAUGED by BUGS (not literally, more computerilly, yea I made the word up).
I like to think of hackers as challenges ingame, a player who is waaaayyy superior to me, and killing him is like winning the World Cup or whatever, ya get my drift?
I know that the days from Suba were bad (I wasn't there so I really do not know from a personal level), and apparently we are getting closer to those kinds of days again, but if this really gets to you, then stop playing, nobody is forcing you to play something that you grow to hate... only time will tell.
They do have patches that are not content related, be patient. -
Suba-days was just as bad as if not worse then how it is at the end of every month on cf. -.-Not bad of a thread, I think though that Z8 does use that reverse-engineer when they download hacks to test and patch them... but I can't exactly recall the wording that Saidin used about that... oh yea they work with Xtrap, not just relying on them, but like teamwork, that said, it IS Xtrap's job to provide an adequate anti-cheat engine.
Still do not see how it is always the BR who has to be hacking, when there are just as capable players doing it from NA to Europe, but that's your opinion, so whatever.
This is a QQ thread, just a reminder.
They do IP ban if you don't think so...
And I think Zynga by FAAARRRR outruns Z8games in the award for negligence; either to the game or to its customers, at least with Farmville, it is PLAUGED by BUGS (not literally, more computerilly, yea I made the word up).
I like to think of hackers as challenges ingame, a player who is waaaayyy superior to me, and killing him is like winning the World Cup or whatever, ya get my drift?
I know that the days from Suba were bad (I wasn't there so I really do not know from a personal level), and apparently we are getting closer to those kinds of days again, but if this really gets to you, then stop playing, nobody is forcing you to play something that you grow to hate... only time will tell.
They do have patches that are not content related, be patient.
Sometimes it really gets on my nerves. Hey though, its a free game. -
NoobExplode wrote: »A lot of people have invested a lot of time and money in this game, and no other revenue-generating game on the PLANET has been so negligent in dealing with cheaters
War Rock? Combat Arms? Quake Live? (QL not as widespread, but still an example)
You need to get it in your head that this IS a free-to-play game that makes revenue FROM all the crap you speak so lowly of. That IS their main source of revenue and without focusing on that stuff, there would be NO game. Point number one.
Name me ONE first-person-shooter online that doesn't have cheaters? Name me ONE anti-cheat that doesn't get bypassed? Name me ONE company that has done what you want a F2P focused company to do. Point two.
Punkbuster? Search for COD cheats or any other Punk Buster supported game. There are JUST as many out there that can bypass so-called better anti-cheats. It just so happens that most of those games are P2P, so they aren't as widespread for fear of losing the money they initially invested to purchase the game. Doesn't change the fact that cheats are still as rampant. Point three.
Negligent? We as Moderators search for and submit cheats as OFTEN as we find them to the Game Managers and staff of G4Box. [GM]Saidin does his job EVERY day by taking what we find and submitting them to X-Trap. Z8Games and G4Box have NO authority on what or how things get patched, that is X-Trap's job. All we can do is submit the sources to them and wait for an update. THAT'S IT. We do the best job that we can do on our end and you expect us to be able to patch ALL cheats ALL the time. It's not going to happen. As long as there is computer coding, there will always be cheaters that exist. Not to mention this is the weekend and even X-Trap staff have a life. We will submit the cheats on Monday and wait for a patch. If you don't like it, then go try another game F2P that supposedly is SO much better. Point four. -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »War Rock? Combat Arms? Quake Live? (QL not as widespread, but still an example)
You need to get it in your head that this IS a free-to-play game that makes revenue FROM all the crap you speak so lowly of. That IS their main source of revenue and without focusing on that stuff, there would be NO game. Point number one.
Name me ONE first-person-shooter online that doesn't have cheaters? Name me ONE anti-cheat that doesn't get bypassed? Name me ONE company that has done what you want a F2P focused company to do. Point two.
Punkbuster? Search for COD cheats or any other Punk Buster supported game. There are JUST as many out there that can bypass so-called better anti-cheats. It just so happens that most of those games are P2P, so they aren't as widespread for fear of losing the money they initially invested to purchase the game. Doesn't change the fact that cheats are still as rampant. Point three.
Negligent? We as Moderators search for and submit cheats as OFTEN as we find them to the Game Managers and staff of G4Box. [GM]Saidin does his job EVERY day by taking what we find and submitting them to X-Trap. Z8Games and G4Box have NO authority on what or how things get patched, that is X-Trap's job. All we can do is submit the sources to them and wait for an update. THAT'S IT. We do the best job that we can do on our end and you expect us to be able to patch ALL cheats ALL the time. It's not going to happen. As long as there is computer coding, there will always be cheaters that exist. Not to mention this is the weekend and even X-Trap staff have a life. We will submit the cheats on Monday and wait for a patch. If you don't like it, then go try another game F2P that supposedly is SO much better. Point four.
He always Knows what to say . I Love
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[MOD]Polleus wrote: »War Rock? Combat Arms? Quake Live? (QL not as widespread, but still an example)
You need to get it in your head that this IS a free-to-play game that makes revenue FROM all the crap you speak so lowly of. That IS their main source of revenue and without focusing on that stuff, there would be NO game. Point number one.
Name me ONE first-person-shooter online that doesn't have cheaters? Name me ONE anti-cheat that doesn't get bypassed? Name me ONE company that has done what you want a F2P focused company to do. Point two.
Punkbuster? Search for COD cheats or any other Punk Buster supported game. There are JUST as many out there that can bypass so-called better anti-cheats. It just so happens that most of those games are P2P, so they aren't as widespread for fear of losing the money they initially invested to purchase the game. Doesn't change the fact that cheats are still as rampant. Point three.
Negligent? We as Moderators search for and submit cheats as OFTEN as we find them to the Game Managers and staff of G4Box. [GM]Saidin does his job EVERY day by taking what we find and submitting them to X-Trap. Z8Games and G4Box have NO authority on what or how things get patched, that is X-Trap's job. All we can do is submit the sources to them and wait for an update. THAT'S IT. We do the best job that we can do on our end and you expect us to be able to patch ALL cheats ALL the time. It's not going to happen. As long as there is computer coding, there will always be cheaters that exist. Not to mention this is the weekend and even X-Trap staff have a life. We will submit the cheats on Monday and wait for a patch. If you don't like it, then go try another game F2P that supposedly is SO much better. Point four.
Your words are so deep, and even the PS3(Sony) got hacked. damn.. -
SpanishAnz wrote: »Your words are so deep, and even the PS3(Sony) got hacked. damn..
It is impossible to code a perfect anticheat, there will always be a flaw, an exploit.
In fact it is impossible to code ANYTHING perfectly.
You can't expect a f2p fps game company to be able to update a patch the moment it's released.
It takes time, and in time it will be patched, but you have to remember that the cheat designers make money from this game too, just from a different source.
Let me explain this using a vicious circle.
Patch release > Hack updated > Patch nulled > repeat -
Bravo Polleus, well said and to the point. I have noticed a few hacks, but not many. Another bump in the road.
There are 1 shot hacks in pretty much every game , this last 2 days seems to be as bad as it has been , and POLLEUS is right on most points but its obvious the ppl who make the hack codes are miles ahead of xtrap ( or most other hack detectors ), whilst i think z8 and others submit alot of hacks to them xtrap and others need to work harder to sort it out. this will only happen when the likes of z8 put more preasure on them to sort it out. -
this will only happen when the likes of z8 put more preasure on them to sort it out.
Not true. [GM]Saidin is on X-Trap EVERY day. When we submit cheats to get patched, he's on them EVERY, SINGLE day. Many of you have NO idea how hard we work and how much harder Saidin works to push X-Trap to do these things. There is a point where you can't do much more. -
There are 1 shot hacks in pretty much every game , this last 2 days seems to be as bad as it has been , and POLLEUS is right on most points but its obvious the ppl who make the hack codes are miles ahead of xtrap ( or most other hack detectors ), whilst i think z8 and others submit alot of hacks to them xtrap and others need to work harder to sort it out. this will only happen when the likes of z8 put more preasure on them to sort it out.
Explain this to me, how is you know what z8games is, or isn't doing?
For all we know z8games could be mustering all the efforts they can to prevent hackers, and my bet is it is, you guys don't think in perspective, you're all looking from a players point of view.
This is the developers, and support staff's jobs, this is how they make their money, they aren't going to ALLOW the game to go down the drain along with their paychecks.
Hackers don't have to be miles ahead to bypass anticheats. There have been a few suggestions to remove most hackers, but it would take too much for a company like sg/g4/z8 to implement. -
Exactly, I know this to be true.[MOD]Polleus wrote: »Not true. [GM]Saidin is on X-Trap EVERY day. When we submit cheats to get patched, he's on them EVERY, SINGLE day. Many of you have NO idea how hard we work and how much harder Saidin works to push X-Trap to do these things. There is a point where you can't do much more.
you need a hug? bwhahahaha -
Just to point about coding-
CODES ARE ALWAYS, ALWAYS EXPLOITABLE. THAT'S WHY HACKER GROUPS SUCH AS THE ANNONYMOUS LIVES. THAT'S WHY THERE IS A PRO HACKER FAIR EVERY YEAR IN AMERICA, AND THAT'S WHY ANTI-HACK SYSTEMS COST SO MUCH.
To destroy something takes 10 times less effort than to prevent and create. Just to let you know.
BTW- do you know how many coding there is in a game?
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amd that's just parts of google's coding for it's HOMEPAGE! -
look i dont see why people are actually having a go at a guy thats speaking the truth... he aint qqing, it needs work. I know a programmer whos in touch with saidan trying to help out rewrite the programme.... to me the people that complain about him saying that xtrap is crap (cus it is) know or are hackers.... cuz seriously what do you have to gain for dismissin that hackers are rampant when they are.
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KryxisAlpha wrote: »Just to point about coding-
CODES ARE ALWAYS, ALWAYS EXPLOITABLE. THAT'S WHY HACKER GROUPS SUCH AS THE ANNONYMOUS LIVES. THAT'S WHY THERE IS A PRO HACKER FAIR EVERY YEAR IN AMERICA, AND THAT'S WHY ANTI-HACK SYSTEMS COST SO MUCH.
To destroy something takes 10 times less effort than to prevent and create. Just to let you know.
BTW- do you know how many coding there is in a game?
let's look at google's coding.
amd that's just parts of google's coding for it's HOMEPAGE!
their is a f**k load of code but common im doing C++ writing and Java atm. I reckon they could get a shed load of support from people on cf wanting to make a diffrence.... let a few volunteers on and you have a lot more people able to write the code faster.... cuz atm its like subagames each month -
their is a f**k load of code but common im doing C++ writing and Java atm. I reckon they could get a shed load of support from people on cf wanting to make a diffrence.... let a few volunteers on and you have a lot more people able to write the code faster.... cuz atm its like subagames each month
You make me want to die in a hole. -
their is a f**k load of code but common im doing C++ writing and Java atm. I reckon they could get a shed load of support from people on cf wanting to make a diffrence.... let a few volunteers on and you have a lot more people able to write the code faster.... cuz atm its like subagames each month
You clearly haven't seen Subagames, have you? (facepalm of doom)
Let's see. Subagame games were like;
Enter room. Speedhakers rush your base.
Score comes from 0-0 to 50-50 in less than a minute. Game crashes. Client error.
Reload CF.
Aimbots in SnD. Dead 24 times, 0 kills.
Ghost mode. Ghosts have awm.
EM mode. Someone picked up all the guns before you start moving.
Needless to say, that's not now. -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »Not true. [GM]Saidin is on X-Trap EVERY day. When we submit cheats to get patched, he's on them EVERY, SINGLE day. Many of you have NO idea how hard we work and how much harder Saidin works to push X-Trap to do these things. There is a point where you can't do much more.
Thats a fair point, i don't know how hard saindin works cos being a mere player and not in the possition to know personally all the MODS and GM'S he doesn't tell me, i'm just tryin to put a point forward without trying to critisise but how things might be able to be changed for the better, if it's not the correct way fair enough but no need for yet another MOD to take it like a personal attack, Whats the point in forums if we can't put a point forward, without a MOD or all his mates then putting you down, if the points incorrect just say so without the patronising attitude ! -
KryxisAlpha wrote: »Just to point about coding-
CODES ARE ALWAYS, ALWAYS EXPLOITABLE. THAT'S WHY HACKER GROUPS SUCH AS THE ANNONYMOUS LIVES. THAT'S WHY THERE IS A PRO HACKER FAIR EVERY YEAR IN AMERICA, AND THAT'S WHY ANTI-HACK SYSTEMS COST SO MUCH.
To destroy something takes 10 times less effort than to prevent and create. Just to let you know.
BTW- do you know how many coding there is in a game?
let's look at google's coding.
amd that's just parts of google's coding for it's HOMEPAGE!
thats HTML language noobie, the game isn't made with that lmao
xtrap does its best, the only thing that needs to be changed is the ban system.
in my opinion they should remove the "type of hack" options, because they surely get a lot of false wall hacking or speed ( due to lag ).
just leave the 1 hit kill and shoot tru wall, oh and maybe the fast shoot (like with m700)
and dont allow creation of new accounts, INVITATION ONLY, and if the one invited gets busted for hack, 7 day Ban for the one who invited him!! -
I didn't make this thread for the express purpose of annoying you, Polleus, but if you want to take it personally, that's your prerogative. I just want to see this game reach its potential.[MOD]Polleus wrote: »War Rock? Combat Arms? Quake Live? (QL not as widespread, but still an example)
You need to get it in your head that this IS a free-to-play game that makes revenue FROM all the crap you speak so lowly of. That IS their main source of revenue and without focusing on that stuff, there would be NO game. Point number one.
First of all, QL pretty much makes all of their money from ads, and I seriously doubt that CA and WR make anywhere near the kind of money that CF does. The way people talk about CA, I know that it's hacker-ridden as well, but we're talking about potential to generate revenue here.
Now I said that you should take some of the time and effort put into making new guns and whatnot into help rid the game of hackers, and you're telling me that you'd be shooting yourself in the foot because that stuff is revenue-generating. But what I'm arguing is that people are a lot more likely to invest money in a game that has few or no hackers. Do you think I spent a dime on this game when it was still Suba? The fact is that getting rid of hackers WILL help you make money in the long run. Didn't you say that performance > content?[MOD]Polleus wrote: »Name me ONE first-person-shooter online that doesn't have cheaters? Name me ONE anti-cheat that doesn't get bypassed? Name me ONE company that has done what you want a F2P focused company to do. Point two.
Honestly, I have no idea, because this is the first F2P FPS that I've played online. But I'm not so naive to think that there's some ultimate solution to this problem that you're not implementing for your own masochistic satisfaction. I didn't say "Get rid of all the hackers," I said "Do something to let us know that you care." There are thousands of threads posted with great ideas of how to make this game better. Custom ban lists, perm bans, IP bans, changes to the vote kicking system. And do you know what is inevitably posted in these threads? "Great idea man, but they'll never do it." We're all along for the same ride here, and there are great ideas volunteered to you every day. Use them. Because "Every other game has problems" isn't an excuse for not trying to make your game better. Tell me it's impossible to make a game hack-free, but don't tell me that this game is the best it can be right now.[MOD]Polleus wrote: »Punkbuster? Search for COD cheats or any other Punk Buster supported game. There are JUST as many out there that can bypass so-called better anti-cheats. It just so happens that most of those games are P2P, so they aren't as widespread for fear of losing the money they initially invested to purchase the game. Doesn't change the fact that cheats are still as rampant. Point three.
Ugh, I'm not even going to try to defend Punkbuster. I've played enough COD to know that it can suck terribly at times. But about games that are P2P: you're saying that the players are afraid to lose initial investments. Well what about CF? People have invested tons into this game. Many have invested money, everyone else has invested TIME. Start threatening these things. Perm ban accounts, dock people EXP, drop their ranks, take their guns and GP, get creative with it. If they can't even rank up their accounts or use anything other than a m16, they'll give up pretty darn quick. You have things that you can take away, you have threats to make, and they have no power over you. Let them know that you mean business.[MOD]Polleus wrote: »Negligent? We as Moderators search for and submit cheats as OFTEN as we find them to the Game Managers and staff of G4Box. [GM]Saidin does his job EVERY day by taking what we find and submitting them to X-Trap. Z8Games and G4Box have NO authority on what or how things get patched, that is X-Trap's job. All we can do is submit the sources to them and wait for an update. THAT'S IT. We do the best job that we can do on our end and you expect us to be able to patch ALL cheats ALL the time. It's not going to happen. As long as there is computer coding, there will always be cheaters that exist. Not to mention this is the weekend and even X-Trap staff have a life. We will submit the cheats on Monday and wait for a patch. If you don't like it, then go try another game F2P that supposedly is SO much better. Point four.
You have my sympathy that you're forced to spend so much time dealing with Xtrap and submitting reports, and I know that it's impossible to prevent all hackers. But one thing that I keep hearing over and over again is "It's Xtrap's fault/job/etc." So we're all at the mercy of Xtrap? The way I see it, you're employing them for this service, not the other way around. If an employee can't get the job done, you should get rid of them and find someone who does it better. This is no different. You want to put pressure on Xtrap to do a better job? Tell them that you're going to find another service. Whatever the outcome is, it will be better for CF.
No one's against you here, man. Like I said before, we're all in the same boat. But the sad fact is that sh1t kinda runs uphill here, and as players we have no power to enact change. All we can do is give ideas, ask for your help, and wait. You guys are the ones who have to take action. I'm sorry if I came across as angry in that post last night, but hell, I WAS angry. And I think I deserve to be angry when I see a game that I care about deteriorating, and I think you should be angry too. And I think you should direct that anger towards figuring out how to make this game better.
I know you do your job the best you can. You don't have to go and prove that fact in every QQ thread. But what SHOULD do is stop that "If you don't like it, get the hell out" attitude, because eventually you won't have any players left to yell it at. -
NoobExplode wrote: »I didn't make this thread for the express purpose of annoying you, Polleus, but if you want to take it personally, that's your prerogative. I just want to see this game reach its potential.
First of all, QL pretty much makes all of their money from ads, and I seriously doubt that CA and WR make anywhere near the kind of money that CF does. The way people talk about CA, I know that it's hacker-ridden as well, but we're talking about potential to generate revenue here.
Now I said that you should take some of the time and effort put into making new guns and whatnot into help rid the game of hackers, and you're telling me that you'd be shooting yourself in the foot because that stuff is revenue-generating. But what I'm arguing is that people are a lot more likely to invest money in a game that has few or no hackers. Do you think I spent a dime on this game when it was still Suba? The fact is that getting rid of hackers WILL help you make money in the long run. Didn't you say that performance > content?
Honestly, I have no idea, because this is the first F2P FPS that I've played online. But I'm not so naive to think that there's some ultimate solution to this problem that you're not implementing for your own masochistic satisfaction. I didn't say "Get rid of all the hackers," I said "Do something to let us know that you care." There are thousands of threads posted with great ideas of how to make this game better. Custom ban lists, perm bans, IP bans, changes to the vote kicking system. And do you know what is inevitably posted in these threads? "Great idea man, but they'll never do it." We're all along for the same ride here, and there are great ideas volunteered to you every day. Use them. Because "Every other game has problems" isn't an excuse for not trying to make your game better. Tell me it's impossible to make a game hack-free, but don't tell me that this game is the best it can be right now.
Ugh, I'm not even going to try to defend Punkbuster. I've played enough COD to know that it can suck terribly at times. But about games that are P2P: you're saying that the players are afraid to lose initial investments. Well what about CF? People have invested tons into this game. Many have invested money, everyone else has invested TIME. Start threatening these things. Perm ban accounts, dock people EXP, drop their ranks, take their guns and GP, get creative with it. If they can't even rank up their accounts or use anything other than a m16, they'll give up pretty darn quick. You have things that you can take away, you have threats to make, and they have no power over you. Let them know that you mean business.
You have my sympathy that you're forced to spend so much time dealing with Xtrap and submitting reports, and I know that it's impossible to prevent all hackers. But one thing that I keep hearing over and over again is "It's Xtrap's fault/job/etc." So we're all at the mercy of Xtrap? The way I see it, you're employing them for this service, not the other way around. If an employee can't get the job done, you should get rid of them and find someone who does it better. This is no different. You want to put pressure on Xtrap to do a better job? Tell them that you're going to find another service. Whatever the outcome is, it will be better for CF.
No one's against you here, man. Like I said before, we're all in the same boat. But the sad fact is that sh1t kinda runs uphill here, and as players we have no power to enact change. All we can do is give ideas, ask for your help, and wait. You guys are the ones who have to take action. I'm sorry if I came across as angry in that post last night, but hell, I WAS angry. And I think I deserve to be angry when I see a game that I care about deteriorating, and I think you should be angry too. And I think you should direct that anger towards figuring out how to make this game better.
I know you do your job the best you can. You don't have to go and prove that fact in every QQ thread. But what SHOULD do is stop that "If you don't like it, get the hell out" attitude, because eventually you won't have any players left to yell it at.
This, as a paying customer it just gets old and we need some progress. For example alpha 1 always has someone spamming a hack site on a bot, same w/ beta 1 why aren't these accounts banned each day. I see the same names doing it and think wow that bot has been here literally what seems like over a day.
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