Xtrap, the new GameGaurd?
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[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »But it isnt -.-'
Its your perception because one type of hack is working and its taking a while to patch
Let me repeat:[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »Its your perception because one type of hack is working and its taking a while to patch[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »Its your perception because one type of hack is working and its taking a while to patch
This exact same hack has been going around for three (3) months! What can't you guys understand about this? How do I make it clearer?
SAME. HACK. FOR. 3. MONTHS!!!
It shouldn't take Xtrap this long to patch a hack! Especially when the SOURCE CODE is on the internet, indeed in the first page of Google results!
Its when Z8 starts denying there's a problem that I get really P.O.ed. :mad: -
Xcelled194 wrote: »One of the best ideas on this thread. And this one we can actually DO something about, although getting z8 to package it will be near impossible....
I would volunteer to assist this solution, as I'm a programmer...
Also, thank you to all who understand how Xtrap is failing miserably. At least I'm not delusional
I've done some programming myself and while I am generally pretty busy I would volunteer what little time I have to help in any way that I could.
The hacks are slowly ruining a once very nice game and it doesn't seem that XTrap is CAPABLE of fixing it. I'm not sure how good of a job we could do but in comparison to the NOTHING that is being done now, how bad could it be? -
Xcelled194 wrote: »Let me repeat:
This exact same hack has been going around for three (3) months! What can't you guys understand about this? How do I make it clearer?
SAME. HACK. FOR. 3. MONTHS!!!
It shouldn't take Xtrap this long to patch a hack! Especially when the SOURCE CODE is on the internet, indeed in the first page of Google results!
Its when Z8 starts denying there's a problem that I get really P.O.ed. :mad:
Youre right it shouldnt.
Im not denying anything >_> -
Sorry Giggletron, I'm just rather P.O.ed at hackers in general, but here's some of the stuff you said that made me do a double take:[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »XTrap actually works...[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »Every single past hack has been stopped from working ever again thanks to XTrap...[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »remove xtrap and replace it with something else and pretty much every old hack will work...[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »XTrap has a massive amount of hacks detected and removing XTrap will start at square one...
^ No Sh--! ^[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »XTrap has been a bit slow lately....[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »whether you believe it or not is not my problem
My apologies, I guess I was just overreacting.
If we can, I'd like everyone who's interested in helping with a community anti-hack to please PM me with your UN and whatever languages you know, as well as some ideas, if you have them.
I'd also like to get Saidin's take on that idea. -
I know where to find ALL hack files, Dlls, injectors, .exe everything! should i report them to the Z8 games staff or to the Xtrap ppl?
If Xtrap, where can i send them the files?
ya ofc the only Br here would no where all the cheats are... -
I agree. X-trap is waste of time. I played today about 4 hours. Half of this time I spend to watch replays and send a hacker reports. I´m loosing my will to play.Xcelled194 wrote: »Any of you old CF veterans remember GameGaurd? You know, that horrible program than never worked to stop hacks?
Well it seems to me that Xfire is slowly regressing to that same niche. Ineffectual, infrequent updates that do nothing to stop hackers, old hacks left unpatched, its looking more and more like Z8 is the only fighter in this battle. Indeed, the only time hacks are slowed is when Z8 updates, and all that's slowing them is the need to work out the new DLL addresses. No, it's no substitute for a working anti-hack software.
I propose Z8 ends its contract with Xtrap and moves to an advanced, well known solution such as HackShield (http://hackshield.ahnlab.com/hs/site/en/main/main.do). If its an issue of money, I'd like to point out that if the hacks don't stop, most of Z8's clientèle will leave for other games. And this wonderful FPS will degrade into a playground for hackers. Then Z8 will have NO income.
A little more about HackShield: It protects several other games that I play, and it protects them damn well. In 2+ years of trying to hack/mod those games, the ONLY way that's successful is to completely disable HackShield - a near impossible feat thats often patched a few days after someone exploits it. I couldn't even modify game IMAGE files (.jpg, .tga, ect) without it raising hell, even without the game running.- Aimbot? Good luck, it's constantly scanning for suspicious memory access.
- Chams? Nice try, it'll block you from accessing any CF - related memory.
- Speedhack? Nope. Constantly checks your computer's clock.
- Injected DLLs? I don't think so. Detects most injectors before crossfire.exe even starts up, and if its not instantly detected, you have about 30 seconds of play before it detects your modified client.
- Find a way around it? Not for long you didn't. VERY diligent support staff, frequent updates whenever an exploit is found.
It even goes a step farther and stops spambots and farmbots! Imagine my shock when I botted the game, and HackShield almost instantly flagged it and force closed!
So what's the alternative Z8? Sit around and watch the game be destroyed by hackers? -
ImUndefined wrote: »Y'know, using HackShield isn't such a bad idea. Lately, I've seen fewer hackers in CA than I have in CF, and even those guys are kicked immediately anyway. The only people who get kicked in CF are legitimate, good players.
Not always true. People get kicked for all sorts of reasons in CF, hacking, ACE, weapon stealing, kill stealing, insulting, being pro, being noob, being a gringo, being a BR, etc.
Personally I think that the vote kick system is silly. A room host should have sole ability to kick whomever from their room at any time. Sure this would make choosing a room with a decent host more of a necessity but in the long run it would probably be for the best. Anyway, if this were implemented it would be nice to have some better system for rating or choosing host within a room rather than just "he was in the top slot". I'm not entirely sure what that should be but this idea is a work in progress anyway. -
No way. Who will stop the room host to kick all skilled players, or just players with more skill than he has?Not always true. People get kicked for all sorts of reasons in CF, hacking, ACE, weapon stealing, kill stealing, insulting, being pro, being noob, being a gringo, being a BR, etc.
Personally I think that the vote kick system is silly. A room host should have sole ability to kick whomever from their room at any time. Sure this would make choosing a room with a decent host more of a necessity but in the long run it would probably be for the best. Anyway, if this were implemented it would be nice to have some better system for rating or choosing host within a room rather than just "he was in the top slot". I'm not entirely sure what that should be but this idea is a work in progress anyway.
Btw, I though this post is about improving of anti hacker protection, not about voting in game, or I missed something... -
Ugh... .Idk and idc anymore what X-Trap has to do... They just have to get their Sh-- together and finish it.. Not 1 single game I tried to play today didn't have a cheater in it.. And as I said before, I am not going to do X-Trap's job by reporting the noob cheaters.
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i can see that hackshield gaurds Combart arms....that means this program is terrible cuz there are a LARGE amount of hackers on CA...probably more than CF -.-
and i think xtrap is doing a great job..u people just arent noticing...
try to notice one day when there is an obvious waller/chammer/aimboter/etc. that after they hack, xtrap almost immediatley disconnects them, ive noticed it many times, it says
[Player] has left the game/room w.e and then you never see the same hacker...at least for 7 days -.-
now stop dis.sing xtrap cuz they try real hard..and hackshield sux -.- -
SFC_Devilock wrote: »No way. Who will stop the room host to kick all skilled players, or just players with more skill than he has?
Btw, I though this post is about improving of anti hacker protection, not about voting in game, or I missed something...
It it, I guess I got a bit off topic while I was typing that comment. These two topics do tend to go hand in hand however as wanting to kick people from rooms is a direct result of XTRAP's [apparent] failure.
Anyway, one last thought on the subject...
I mentioned in my previous post that "it would make choosing a room with a good host important" and also "that there possibly should be a different way for the game to choose who is hosting". These were both warnings of a sort that my suggestion if implemented could lead to bad things like you mention. However, if you have played many other online games you are usually playing on servers that have private admins with similar (if not much more) power and this is rarely abused. Again just like you need to choose a good server in other games you would need a good host. Possibly make it a visible option to be selected upon room creation, vote kick or host kick? Anyway, I think it could work but definitely requires discussion and additional thought.
And not back to your regularly scheduled thread... sorry for the interruption. -
AVA actually has a veteran only community, because you have better kevlar (or more HP in simple terms) as you level up. Because it's noob hostile, you don't have many kids/bored ass teens hacking. AS WELL AS THAT, game guard patches...every 2 months according to my friend.
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L0LSmilyFace wrote: »Hm..
Well ijji, or whatever the website is named, keeps getting hacked by people who have been banned. I guess they care more about their customers than their money.
^ Albert Einstein idea on top of my post :P
its because ijji is a very wealthy company
just look at all the games they have released
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HsTL_BeAsT wrote: »i can see that hackshield gaurds Combart arms....that means this program is terrible cuz there are a LARGE amount of hackers on CA...probably more than CF -.-
see vImUndefined wrote: »Lately, I've seen fewer hackers in CA than I have in CF, and even those guys are kicked immediately anyway.
If you've played CA recently, you'd probably agree.
Self-quotes ftl -
Part of it is the finances and the other part is the anti-hack program itself. When a anti-virus checks for malware, it checks for coding within files that are not generic and have a harmful effect. The anti-hack is only being programmed to look for certain files, so it's similar to the anti-virus... However, there are anti-viruses that can see when a file or files have been changed and alerts the user immediately. So should we really focus on decoding the cheats or blocking the cfr. files from being messed with?
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Part of it is the finances and the other part is the anti-hack program itself. When a anti-virus checks for malware, it checks for coding within files that are not generic and have a harmful effect. The anti-hack is only being programmed to look for certain files, so it's similar to the anti-virus... However, there are anti-viruses that can see when a file or files have been changed and alerts the user immediately. So should we really focus on decoding the cheats or blocking the cfr. files from being messed with?
Preferably, both. Anyone who has dabbled in cybersecurity knows that it is impossible to catalouge EVERY single virus/trojian/hack. However, ALL programs have a certain "look" about them. Much like a bouncer at a nightclub, antivirus uses Heuristics (matching "looks") to deny access to programs who fit a certain look. It is much easier to check for a "look" than to attempt to match a program against hundreds of thousands of known threats.
Besides, this is the advantage to heuristics:
Consider this program:
A = 3
C = 275
B = A
Now, suppose you wrote a program to check for any code that makes B = A. A "traditional" antivirus program would scan for that EXACT code. This can be circumvented by making the program say this:
A = 3
C = 276
B = A
Since the second line doesn't match, its not detected.
A heuristic scanner says "OK, all I care about is B = A. I'll ignore everything else." Because it's only matching a specific task (setting B = A) it doesn't care about any other line. You could make the most random, complicated program, and as long as somhow B = A, it will be caught.
Granted, this is an oversimplified example, but the same thing applies to hacks. By searching for a "look" such as chams, we can use heuristics to nab almost every variation of it.
As for CFR files, the only way to modify them would be to hack the player's computer, and I have yet to see a hack package that sports that function. -
Xcelled194 wrote: »Preferably, both. Anyone who has dabbled in cybersecurity knows that it is impossible to catalouge EVERY single virus/trojian/hack. However, ALL programs have a certain "look" about them. Much like a bouncer at a nightclub, antivirus uses Heuristics (matching "looks") to deny access to programs who fit a certain look. It is much easier to check for a "look" than to attempt to match a program against hundreds of thousands of known threats.
Besides, this is the advantage to heuristics:
Consider this program:
A = 3
C = 275
B = A
Now, suppose you wrote a program to check for any code that makes B = A. A "traditional" antivirus program would scan for that EXACT code. This can be circumvented by making the program say this:
A = 3
C = 276
B = A
Since the second line doesn't match, its not detected.
A heuristic scanner says "OK, all I care about is B = A. I'll ignore everything else." Because it's only matching a specific task (setting B = A) it doesn't care about any other line. You could make the most random, complicated program, and as long as somhow B = A, it will be caught.
Granted, this is an oversimplified example, but the same thing applies to hacks. By searching for a "look" such as chams, we can use heuristics to nab almost every variation of it.
As for CFR files, the only way to modify them would be to hack the player's computer, and I have yet to see a hack package that sports that function.
Thank you for clearing that up for me.. I know a bit of how it works and I was speaking out of fustration so I wasn't thinking straight... I just hope X-Trap does a major patch sooon... I can't take much of these cheaters for a whole lot longer.. -
Thank you for clearing that up for me.. I know a bit of how it works and I was speaking out of fustration so I wasn't thinking straight... I just hope X-Trap does a major patch sooon... I can't take much of these cheaters for a whole lot longer..
No problem, it IS a bit confusing....
And to their credit, Z8 seems to have pulled several all-nighters banning people, most of them are gone. They'll be back in a day or two with new accounts though. Now its up to Xtrap to PATCH NOW! before Saidin and company blow a blood vessel from all the reports.
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