can we take a game wide lesson from the tournament
can we take a game wide lesson from the tournament. If you have no idea what im talking about then allow me to explain.
The tournament is for north america only as shown by the quote from the main page
Why can't we take a lesson from this and return crossfire to a north america only game(keep the uk residence since they have licence there) and get rid of the forign population the game which tends to have anywhere from 150-400 static ping (yes 400 I have seen before)
This is a perfect lesson the tournament commitee obviously understands that forigners tend to lagg when they are not close to the server
This would also serve a dual purpose of not only reducing lagg but it will also help lessen the language barrier that is in the game between english and non english in a game that is prodominently english.
This would also serve to reduce hacks in the long run as there will be a smaller population of people using them it will also make it easier to report hackers as there will be less reports to shift through and thus faster and more efficient ban system.
The tournament is for north america only as shown by the quote from the main page
Just a reminder for those who haven't seen the National ESL (North America) March Cups! There is additional information on our Competitive page. If you are looking for some great places to play then here is another chance!
Why can't we take a lesson from this and return crossfire to a north america only game(keep the uk residence since they have licence there) and get rid of the forign population the game which tends to have anywhere from 150-400 static ping (yes 400 I have seen before)
This is a perfect lesson the tournament commitee obviously understands that forigners tend to lagg when they are not close to the server
This would also serve a dual purpose of not only reducing lagg but it will also help lessen the language barrier that is in the game between english and non english in a game that is prodominently english.
This would also serve to reduce hacks in the long run as there will be a smaller population of people using them it will also make it easier to report hackers as there will be less reports to shift through and thus faster and more efficient ban system.
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Lol, they wouldn't be accused of racism..You can't just ban a nation. Z8 would be acused of rasism.
Instead, they could do it the soft way, adding ping caps of 150 max, to all servers. Bing bang bam, saved.
Combat Arms wasn't accused of racism, Japanese Crossfire wasn't accused of racism.
It's the fact that they neither have the grounds to give only a specific group regional eligibility to play the game, nor do they have sufficient reason or grounds to terminate a region's eligibility.
It's basically like giving everyone in the world a winning lottery ticket, and allowing only people from a specific country to cash it. -
Lol, they wouldn't be accused of racism..
Combat Arms wasn't accused of racism, Japanese Crossfire wasn't accused of racism.
It's the fact that they neither have the grounds to give only a specific group regional eligibility to play the game, nor do they have sufficient reason or grounds to terminate a region's eligibility.
It's basically like giving everyone in the world a winning lottery ticket, and allowing only people from a specific country to cash it.
its nothing like the lottery ticket sinario cf na is only licenced to the uk and na so why should a nation from outside their licencing region be aloud to play thats like letting a base ball player from one school play for another rival school at the same time there is no real reason for it other then greedy devs and a over inflated money based pompuse game company who is so money driven its blinded by green bills and cannot see what its community truly needsaslong as z8 earns cash and this is a game for fun just get over it who cares it s afree fps
so you dont mind horndous lagg and hack$ running about shooting you through walls and taking direct shots from an awm and not dying? -
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That's just BS man, I HATE THREADS LIKE THIS.
Sorry but that's just stupid.
"This game is ours GTFO BR,Turks, Germans,PT..."
Do you think it would be better if only NA/UK ppl played the game? I dont think so, it would suck, you know why? Cuz Na/Uk ppl lag too so it wouldn't change a lot.
I can't even believe ppl are talking about this again!! -
Yeah I support the ping-cap idea. You wouldn't be ruining the game for anyone, but rather giving them an assigned place to play, and for fair reasons. Not to mention the spikes people get when they hack, thus booting them from the server, resulting in the only option being legit, fair play (this doesn't go for ALL hackers, but the majority I've watched DO spike). Possibly (instead of ping caps on servers) make a "ping-cap" feature in the game creation options. This would allow the host to set limitations for the players who come in. People whose ping will exceed that limit will simply receive a message (like that of a "room is in use" message) that would say something along the lines of your ping not meeting the requirements of that room. Oh well, great idea, and therefor unlikely to take place.
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NinjaSergioWolf wrote: »That's just BS man, I HATE THREADS LIKE THIS.
Sorry but that's just stupid.
"This game is ours GTFO BR,Turks, Germans,PT..."
Do you think it would be better if only NA/UK ppl played the game? I dont think so, it would suck, you know why? Cuz Na/Uk ppl lag too so it wouldn't change a lot.
I can't even believe ppl are talking about this again!!
NA/UK people do lag but it's usually from a sporadic ping spike. Non-NA/UK players lag constantly.
Example: I usually have a ping of 30-40 but due to my wireless connection, it spikes to 400 for a few seconds sometimes.
People are talking about this again because they're fed up with the decline in gameplay due to hackers. -
That's just BS man, I HATE THREADS LIKE THIS.
Sorry but that's just stupid.
"This game is ours GTFO BR,Turks, Germans,PT..."
Do you think it would be better if only NA/UK ppl played the game? I dont think so, it would suck, you know why? Cuz Na/Uk ppl lag too so it wouldn't change a lot.
I can't even believe ppl are talking about this again!!
ok first off in their respective servers most na and uk players hit a maximum of about 120 ping which is livable
where as forigners from places like brazil have constant 150-400+ ping now its not hard even with half a brain to figure out that 150-400+ ping is more then 120- ping thus less lagg
now ima go out on a limb and guess based on your responce you are either a forigner or you tend to play more games with just clan members or friends in privite games where the ping never exceeds such a level as what is faced on servers over flowing with forignersthats the highest you've seen?
I see at least once a day some one in the 4 digits
no i have seen higher but 400 is more common although i did play a arena match with a guy who had a static almost 2k ping it was insane 10 hs to kill the guy with a permanent axe -
There are atrocious straw-man arguments and fallacies from both sides of the above argument. Let me break it down, shall I?
Logic (very simplified):
The more people Z8 games can accommodate, the more money they will make/can potentially make.
Brazilian players contribute to the total population.
In order to remove Brazilian players while keeping the population the same/growing, Z8 games would have to expend more resources.
If Z8 games wants to make as much money as possible, they will keep the largest possible player-base they can.
Therefore they won't remove the Brazilian players.
I skipped out on a lot of the logical steps there for time-reasons, but you get the point. It takes effort for them to gain players, and why would they cut out 10,000 players who contribute to them via z8 points and CTR for advertisements?
Now, what I am in favour of is a ping-based server. We have Delta, which is based on ranks. However, a ping-based server would be far more popular.
The primary issue with this is that you have people who lagspike on occasion (I spike up to 150 from my 13 on Alpha, and up to 200 from my 80 on the UK servers). So, you would have to have a static ping for X amount of time within the A-B ping range. Due to the calculation required for this...it's easier for z8games to simply do nothing and tell you "avoid the laggers then." So, nothing will change.
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There are atrocious straw-man arguments and fallacies from both sides of the above argument. Let me break it down, shall I?
Logic (very simplified):
The more people Z8 games can accommodate, the more money they will make/can potentially make.
Brazilian players contribute to the total population.
In order to remove Brazilian players while keeping the population the same/growing, Z8 games would have to expend more resources.
If Z8 games wants to make as much money as possible, they will keep the largest possible player-base they can.
Therefore they won't remove the Brazilian players.
I skipped out on a lot of the logical steps there for time-reasons, but you get the point. It takes effort for them to gain players, and why would they cut out 10,000 players who contribute to them via z8 points and CTR for advertisements?
Now, what I am in favour of is a ping-based server. We have Delta, which is based on ranks. However, a ping-based server would be far more popular.
The primary issue with this is that you have people who lagspike on occasion (I spike up to 150 from my 13 on Alpha, and up to 200 from my 80 on the UK servers). So, you would have to have a static ping for X amount of time within the A-B ping range. Due to the calculation required for this...it's easier for z8games to simply do nothing and tell you "avoid the laggers then." So, nothing will change.
you make a good point z8 is like any company lazy inpractical and money driven
but theres also a step of logic you missed... a happy game community = an apriciative game community and appricietive people are more likly to invest in that which is giving them the satasfaction they are recieving soo logicaly if the make the community happy they could gain more money as well
the only problem is that most zp sales from na are for things like over powerd guns and armour so they can deal with the compition for forigners lagg -
reddeath68 wrote: »you make a good point z8 is like any company lazy inpractical and money driven
Not all companies are lazy.
Z8games is not lazy.
They are money driven...that is close to the definition of a company.reddeath68 wrote: »but theres also a step of logic you missed... a happy game community = an apriciative game community and appricietive people are more likly to invest in that which is giving them the satasfaction they are recieving soo logicaly if the make the community happy they could gain more money as well
the only problem is that most zp sales from na are for things like over powerd guns and armour so they can deal with the compition for forigners lagg
There are so many things wrong with your post I struggled to know where to begin.
1st: That isn't logic. That is an opinion.
2nd: They don't lose players over other player's lag. I only know of one-two players who have quit SOLEY because of ANOTHER player's lag. Their own, yes. Others? Not so much. ;-)
3rd: Logically they are doing everything they can to make the community happy. However, these "BRs" (codename for all non-English speaking CF player) are part of the community, not just yourself.
4th: You used the word "only." Change is about compromise, especially with an international game such as this.
Cheers.
If you want to make an impact, message Z8games. Post a poll about "New server with a lag limit?" and get the community to back you. Show them your concerns and that you have a solution for it. Explain it to them. Make your argument logically, and avoid fiery language toward the laggers.
Posting a QQ thread will do little. Making a logical argument, on the other hand (especially since I believe that most players would love a ping-based server and would back you) could do more. -
There are so many things wrong with your post I struggled to know where to begin.
1st: That isn't logic. That is an opinion.
2nd: They don't lose players over other player's lag. I only know of one-two players who have quit SOLEY because of ANOTHER player's lag. Their own, yes. Others? Not so much. ;-)
3rd: Logically they are doing everything they can to make the community happy. However, these "BRs" (codename for all non-English speaking CF player) are part of the community, not just yourself.
4th: You used the word "only." Change is about compromise, especially with an international game such as this.
Cheers.
If you want to make an impact, message Z8games. Post a poll about "New server with a lag limit?" and get the community to back you. Show them your concerns and that you have a solution for it. Explain it to them. Make your argument logically, and avoid fiery language toward the laggers.
Posting a QQ thread will do little. Making a logical argument, on the other hand (especially since I believe that most players would love a ping-based server and would back you) could do more.
i have posted the idea about a ping based server and an ip based server several times and it mysteriously always seems to get burried within a few days or less so it never really gets off the ground -
reddeath68 wrote: »i have posted the idea about a ping based server and an ip based server several times and it mysteriously always seems to get burried within a few days or less so it never really gets off the ground
Step 1: post a poll. Give details on how it would work, etc. etc.
Step 2: when your poll starts getting low on the list, have a friend post in it or you post in it.
Step 3: repeat step 2. -
Step 1: post a poll. Give details on how it would work, etc. etc.
Step 2: when your poll starts getting low on the list, have a friend post in it or you post in it.
Step 3: repeat step 2.
i guess ill try it just usualy most things like this are ignored anyways because final decision is up to the dev's but w/e i got a few mins free time lol
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