Accountability?
Should clans be held accountable if some of their members get caught hacking? (i.e. getting banned).
My thoughts:
1. The idea that only one person in a clan of 50 is the only person hacking seems improbable(imagine one with 99 players)
2. If he/she gets caught hacking, chances are he/she got it from someone within the clan
3. I've seen a whole entire clan hack, what makes you think they haven't passed those hacks out?
4. Termination of a hacking clan not only shows you who's got the power in all of this, it shows that you are serious about eliminating the amount of hackers.
5. By termination of hacking clans you:
a) Terminate possible routes for people to get hacks
b) You get people to closely consider who they let in their clan and who they should consider giving the boot to (thus competition should rise)
6. If it is determined that clans cannot get terminated, the clan should get investigated. I am not going to lie, I am 100% sure that if a clan member hacks, many others in the same clan are more than likely to use hacks as well.
It's the same as gang members and how police monitors them. If GANG-A is more violent and has some ex-members in jail for killing, what makes you think the other members aren't capable of doing the same? If GANG-B is known for grand theft autos or burglary and armed robberies, do the police spend more time monitoring GANG-B? No, they are more worried about GANG-A. Same as the universe of Crossfire. If a clan has members hacking, it's almost a guaranteed that someone else in that clan hacks as well.
Lemme know what you guys think. I know the termination of a clan is impossible, but its just a thought.
My thoughts:
1. The idea that only one person in a clan of 50 is the only person hacking seems improbable(imagine one with 99 players)
2. If he/she gets caught hacking, chances are he/she got it from someone within the clan
3. I've seen a whole entire clan hack, what makes you think they haven't passed those hacks out?
4. Termination of a hacking clan not only shows you who's got the power in all of this, it shows that you are serious about eliminating the amount of hackers.
5. By termination of hacking clans you:
a) Terminate possible routes for people to get hacks
b) You get people to closely consider who they let in their clan and who they should consider giving the boot to (thus competition should rise)
6. If it is determined that clans cannot get terminated, the clan should get investigated. I am not going to lie, I am 100% sure that if a clan member hacks, many others in the same clan are more than likely to use hacks as well.
It's the same as gang members and how police monitors them. If GANG-A is more violent and has some ex-members in jail for killing, what makes you think the other members aren't capable of doing the same? If GANG-B is known for grand theft autos or burglary and armed robberies, do the police spend more time monitoring GANG-B? No, they are more worried about GANG-A. Same as the universe of Crossfire. If a clan has members hacking, it's almost a guaranteed that someone else in that clan hacks as well.
Lemme know what you guys think. I know the termination of a clan is impossible, but its just a thought.
Comments
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banning evey clan that has 1 member found hacking?.... errrmm no.... some of the best clans probably have a hack in but are subtle about it.. one day they will get caught and it isnt the clans fault for not noticing it now is it? just no to this idea... if the whole clan hacks then yea shut the clan down.
Also i dont agree with you that jsut because one person in a clan hacks means that more do... that is jsut rubbish in my opinion. Why should people who dont hack get punished because one somehow got into their clan...
Just ban the hacks liek they already are is the best they can do
although mac addresses should be banned not just accoutn bans -.- ! -
Gh0st_Slay3r wrote: »banning evey clan that has 1 member found hacking?.... errrmm no.... some of the best clans probably have a hack in but are subtle about it.. one day they will get caught and it isnt the clans fault for not noticing it now is it? just no to this idea... if the whole clan hacks then yea shut the clan down.
Also i dont agree with you that jsut because one person in a clan hacks means that more do... that is jsut rubbish in my opinion. Why should people who dont hack get punished because one somehow got into their clan...
Just ban the hacks liek they already are is the best they can do although mac addresses should be banned not just accoutn bans -.- !
Okay, you are thinking too specific here. WHen you read this you thought about good clans. In a more general sense, you must not meet much hackers or play this game much to realize this at all. Plus, I already said that termination of a clan is almost impossible, thus a more realistic idea like investigating that clan would probably work better. You're probably not old enough to think rationally. Also, saying that you hold a clan accountable does not mean "banning every clan", it means you can hold them accountable for having members hacking. What makes you think they can't do that to every clan? Look at all those spammers who ruined it for everyone, albeit the legitness of the good people and their posts. It still got taken away right? The whole point of this is that its not gonna be easy to pass out hacks by joining clans. You'd have initially gotten that had you read more carefully.
Also, what would be the most logical place to hack and not get banned? If you play with your friends in private rooms. And who are usually your friends on Crossfire? Your clan mates. You see how I came up with that? It's not genius, it's common sense. -
Okay, you are thinking too specific here. WHen you read this you thought about good clans. In a more general sense, you must not meet much hackers or play this game much to realize this at all. Plus, I already said that termination of a clan is almost impossible, thus a more realistic idea like investigating that clan would probably work better. You're probably not old enough to think rationally. Also, saying that you hold a clan accountable does not mean "banning every clan", it means you can hold them accountable for having members hacking. What makes you think they can't do that to every clan? Look at all those spammers who ruined it for everyone, albeit the legitness of their posts. It still got taken away right? The whole point of this is that its not gonna be easy to pass out hacks by joining clans. You'd have initially gotten that had you read more carefully.
Also, what would be the most logical place to hack and not get banned? If you play with your friends in private rooms. And who are usually your friends on Crossfire? Your clan mates. You see how I came up with that? It's not genius, it's common sense.
how old are you? because you obviously cant take criticism... i gave you my opinion, which you asked for, and you go calling me some kid who doesn't even play the game..... you sir should be banned for trying to start flame wars! And if you wasn't too lazy to search my IGN you would realise i do play quite a lot and i am no kid mate im most probably older than you!
you ask for other peoples opinions thats what you are going to get!! you dont like it all you need to say is 'thanks for comment i dont agree tho' ... but ofcorse it is usually young players who go around calling people 'kids'
EDIT - also GM and MOD have enough tasks to be doing without having to investigate clans! -
Gh0st_Slay3r wrote: »how old are you? because you obviously cant take criticism... i gave you my opinion, which you asked for, and you go calling me some kid who doesn't even play the game..... you sir should be banned for trying to start flame wars! And if you wasn't too lazy to search my IGN you would realise i do play quite a lot and i am no kid mate im most probably older than you!
you ask for other peoples opinions thats what you are going to get!! you dont like it all you need to say is 'thanks for comment i dont agree tho' ... but ofcorse it is usually young players who go around calling people 'kids'
You know why? Because it'd be much appreciated if you actually read what I wrote before you commented. It gets annoying when people have no idea what you're talking about, then they try to flame your idea. It doesn't take much of a person to see your acc and see half of your kills are headshots. I'm not convinced sir. -
You know why? Because it'd be much appreciated if you actually read what I wrote before you commented. It gets annoying when people have no idea what you're talking about, then they try to flame your idea. It doesn't take much of a person to see your acc and see half of your kills are headshots. I'm not convinced sir.
i've read your posts carefully enough to know i do nnot agree with a single thing you are saying..
and now your trying to call me a farmer or hacker cuz I actually aim for the head? haahahahahahahahah seriously how old are you??!!
also i did not flame your idea in the slightest I TOLD YOU MY OPINION IN WHICH YOU ASKED FOR!!! -
Gh0st_Slay3r wrote: »i've read your posts carefully enough to know i do nnot agree with a single thing you are saying..
and now your trying to call me a farmer or hacker cuz I actually aim for the head? haahahahahahahahah seriously how old are you??!!
also i did not flame your idea in the slightest I TOLD YOU MY OPINION IN WHICH YOU ASKED FOR!!!
Really? What did the last line in my post say? What does "accountability" mean to you? -
Lemme know what you guys think. I know the termination of a clan is impossible, but its just a thought.Really? What did the last line in my post say? What does "accountability" mean to you?
that is what the last line of your post said -
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i know the termination of a clan is impossible, just a thought. Your whole post was about how clans shouldn't get "banned." So what does accountability mean to you again?
accountability is who is responsible for the hacker and the only person that is responsible is the person who i using the hack - no one else. yes its early maybe i said bann a few times in my first post instead of 'invetigate' or 'terminate' like you used!
EDIT - well that defintion desccribes what you mean by this thread obviously accountability doesnt actually mean about hacking lol -
Gh0st_Slay3r wrote: »accountability is who is responsible for the hacker and the only person that is responsible is the person who i using the hack - no one else. yes its early maybe i said bann a few times in my first post instead of 'invetigate' or 'terminate' like you used!
EDIT - well that defintion desccribes what you mean by this thread obviously accountability doesnt actually mean about hacking lol
Holding a clan accountable means you gotta take into consideration all of its members, as well as the person got caught hacking. You can choose to take action against them or not. I never talked about holding an individual accountable once. If you just hold one guy accountable, you've just screwed everything up. If you go back and read the analogy again, you'd might understand what I'm actually talking about.
And according to you, why couldn't they just ban all the spammers? Why would they go and remove the M.I. Ribbon all at once? That contradicts what you've been saying this whole time. -
Gh0st_Slay3r wrote: »well GMs have to go through thousands of hack reports and MODs have to ban idiots on the forum who try to start flame wars! i think i know one of those!! plus lots of other stuff liek patches - tournaments - events etc. etc.
Did you know that GMs get paid to do their jobs? Did you know that before someone's account gets banned, they must therefore investigate the account first? ie game replays? What makes you think they can't trace back the hacks to different clan members? -
Holding a clan accountable means you gotta take into consideration all of its members, as well as the person got caught hacking. I never talked about holding an individual accountable once. If you just hold one guy accountable, you've just screwed everything up. If you go back and read the analogy again, you'd might understand what I'm actually talking about.
And according to you, why couldn't they just ban all the spammers? Why would they go and remove the M.I. Ribbon all at once? That contradicts what you've been saying this whole time.
for the one telling me to read more carefully YOU are the one who is contradicting yourself! i did not mention SPAMMERS one i mentions FLAMERS like you who try to start flame wars... so who doesnt read carefully? yea that would be you.
When im talking about people getting punished because they had a hack in their clan im not talking about jsut 1 person, if they close the clan (unlikel;y but jsut roll with it) all the peeople in that clan are affected... If they take clan points away from the clan that affects all the members again not jsut one person... you get me yet?
you just cant accept someone elses opinion you need help! go find some cuz im done with you! you are jsut an ignorant person who thinks he is almighty god! Goodbye you fool! -
Gh0st_Slay3r wrote: »for the one telling me to read more carefully YOU are the one who is contradicting yourself! i did not mention SPAMMERS one i mentions FLAMERS like you who try to start flame wars... so who doesnt read carefully? yea that would be you.
When im talking about people getting punished because they had a hack in their clan im not talking about jsut 1 person, if they close the clan (unlikel;y but jsut roll with it) all the peeople in that clan are affected... If they take clan points away from the clan that affects all the members again not jsut one person... you get me yet?
you just cant accept someone elses opinion you need help! go find some cuz im done with you! you are jsut an ignorant person who thinks he is almighty god! Goodbye you fool!
Do you not know what using references are? The reason why I brought up the Military Intelligence Ribbon was because of what you are saying. Everyone was affected the the removal of the Ribbon, not just the spammers. If you take away clan points/ remove clan or w/e, of course everyone will get affected. -
Also, what would be the most logical place to hack and not get banned? If you play with your friends in private rooms. And who are usually your friends on Crossfire? Your clan mates. You see how I came up with that? It's not genius, it's common sense.
So you're saying the clan hands out hacks to their other members and then they all play in a room together with their hacks. That's TOTALLY how it works... -
Why haven't you posted this in the Suggestions part of the forum?
And in any case, it is very unjust... for not everyone in the clan neither hacks nor endorses that hacking behavior.
It is like saying do guns kill people? or do people behind the guns kill people?
Banning an entire clan over the fault of one clan mate is no way a reasonable solution.
Now if you wish to have accountability, then we have a solution, albiet pretty primative and still in the works.
The Honorable Soldier Ribbon.
I do not need to talk about the failings of this ribbon, because it is generally known what they are, I am just stating that z8games has shown a form of accountability -
Why haven't you posted this in the Suggestions part of the forum?
And in any case, it is very unjust... for not everyone in the clan neither hacks nor endorses that hacking behavior.
It is like saying do guns kill people? or do people behind the guns kill people?
Banning an entire clan over the fault of one clan mate is no way a reasonable solution.
Now if you wish to have accountability, then we have a solution, albiet pretty primative and still in the works.
The Honorable Soldier Ribbon.
I do not need to talk about the failings of this ribbon, because it is generally known what they are, I am just stating that z8games has shown a form of accountability
Not all clans have 99 members, you do know that right? The idea of this post was to say, we need to find solutions on how we can stop the spreading of hacks. Thats why you hold clans accountable, because how else would hacks get passed out? Unless you guys hack and know then please do share. -
Why haven't you posted this in the Suggestions part of the forum?
And in any case, it is very unjust... for not everyone in the clan neither hacks nor endorses that hacking behavior.
It is like saying do guns kill people? or do people behind the guns kill people?
Banning an entire clan over the fault of one clan mate is no way a reasonable solution.
Now if you wish to have accountability, then we have a solution, albiet pretty primative and still in the works.
The Honorable Soldier Ribbon.
I do not need to talk about the failings of this ribbon, because it is generally known what they are, I am just stating that z8games has shown a form of accountability
ohh god you disagreed with him
prepare to be flamed.
But i like how you mentioned the ribbon
im done talkign to that guy now but thanks for mentioning that -
Gh0st_Slay3r wrote: »ohh god you disagreed with him prepare to be flamed.
But i like how you mentioned the ribbon im done talkign to that guy now but thanks for mentioning that
It's a discussion. You can't take criticism and think that someone is trying to flame you? No wonder why the forum fails much. I took your opinions, and tried to explain what I mean. As for you, you kept on trying to say how I fail at trying to flame you, or how I can't take criticism, not once did you mention about my post again, rather more about how I kept talking back at you. Who's the one flaming now?
Why did I answer you back so much? Because you didn't understood what I was talking about. If I tried flaming you, I'd curse at you tons, and called you a noob as well. Where was that? -
Whatever, everyone who reads this post initially reads, "BAN CLANS WHO HAS HACKERS." Why do you think that that is the 5th thing on the list and not on the top? Goes to show that all you guys do is just pick out one thing to flame, and not even try to discuss it at all. The analogy is there to help make sense of all this. Where in the analogy did I say that the police should kill all the gang members? or arrest them all? It's the exact reason why I wrote an analogy in the first place, so that guys like you who read it the wrong way can actually understand it. But no worries, once you grow up maybe you can understand what this really means.
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Let me say what I think. If Z8 recognize that 10% members of same clan uses a hacks, they need to bann the whole clan for good. Otherwise, if the percentage of hackers in same clan is less than 10%, they have to bann just those players and warn Clan leader (by PM) to take a care about new members or some suspicious members in clan.Should clans be held accountable if some of their members get caught hacking? (i.e. getting banned).
My thoughts:
1. The idea that only one person in a clan of 50 is the only person hacking seems improbable(imagine one with 99 players) - Lol, so you think that clan of 100 members must have more than 1 hacker inside. Very hard accousations. My clan doesn´t approve any hacks or cheats. If we recognize a hacker in clan we kick him immediately and report him.
2. If he/she gets caught hacking, chances are he/she got it from someone within the clan - Also stupid accusation, for example, You could have a hack, but never use it while play together with some clanmates. So they do not even know you have a hack, until someone reports you.
3. I've seen a whole entire clan hack, what makes you think they haven't passed those hacks out? - That´s something else. I agree. If you have replay or replays as evidence that more than 1 member of some clan uses a hack, it should be enough to ban permanently the whole clan.
4. Termination of a hacking clan not only shows you who's got the power in all of this, it shows that you are serious about eliminating the amount of hackers. - I agree 100%
5. By termination of hacking clans you:
a) Terminate possible routes for people to get hacks
b) You get people to closely consider who they let in their clan and who they should consider giving the boot to (thus competition should rise) - Also agree 100%
6. If it is determined that clans cannot get terminated, the clan should get investigated. I am not going to lie, I am 100% sure that if a clan member hacks, many others in the same clan are more than likely to use hacks as well. - Again very hard accusations. For example, clan leader and lieutenants aren´t able to monitoring all clan memebers and all of the time. Clan of 100 members could have 1 hacker who use a hack very smart. So, leadership of the clan couldn´t know that they got cheater inside. You can´t name the whole clan as hackers just by seeing one memeber hacks. But, if you see more clan members use hack, well, that´s something else.
It's the same as gang members and how police monitors them. If GANG-A is more violent and has some ex-members in jail for killing, what makes you think the other members aren't capable of doing the same? If GANG-B is known for grand theft autos or burglary and armed robberies, do the police spend more time monitoring GANG-B? No, they are more worried about GANG-A. Same as the universe of Crossfire. If a clan has members hacking, it's almost a guaranteed that someone else in that clan hacks as well.
Lemme know what you guys think. I know the termination of a clan is impossible, but its just a thought.
Also, if Z8 recive replays as evidence that same clan member uses hack during Clan Wars, or even more than 1 player uses hack during CW they need to ban whole clan for good.
At the end - ONLY BANNED HACKER IS GOOD HACKER! :cool:
See ya in game;) -
Taking a clan points, mm also sounds good, very good. I like it. It could goes hand by hand with PM warning to a Clan Leader.In my clan, DoN-ToNi & the LT's will kick any hack fast!
We do not put up with hackers.
But yes I do see a lot of clan, that have hackers in their clans.
Maybe they should start taking clan points away, for each hacker in the clan.
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