What do you think of the Shovel ?
Maybe I should give my answer first. I got the shovel for the first time yesterday, I tested it, got accustomed to it and, IMHO, the shovel is overpowered and kind of broken. Now, before flaming me, please do read all the post, it's not a QQ thread, just an humble opinion.
Why overpowered and is it a reason to QQ ?
- Overpowered because wherever you hit, as long as you use the right click attack, you will kill in one attack. You do not need to aim anymore.
I killed people 2 meters above me by hitting them in the foot.
- Overpowered because of its range. You don't need to be at point-blank range to hit your target. Hitting at 1~2 meters can be enough. Again, I'm talking about right click attack. Didn't really used the left click "slash" attack.
- Overpowered because of the area covered by your attack. I've killed 2 people in one attack several times and noticed that they could be separated by 1~1,5 meters and still get killed at the same time. To kill 2 people with the knife, you need them as close to each other as possible.
Now, is it a reason to QQ ? Well, if you QQ about that, you might as well QQ for every other advantage ZP give to players. ZP temporary weapons (Dual Colt for example), ZP crate weapons (e.g. M4A1-C), Coupons weapons (e.g. AK-Gold), BP Weapons (e.g. M4A1-Silver), special Grenades, Armor, etc. almost all of those items can be considered overpowered or at least superior to their GP counterparts.
In conclusion, no there's no good reason to QQ (except for people using the shovel by slashing the hell out of it - please, stop that).
Why is it "kind of broken" ?
It's something you, hopefully, quickly notice when using the shovel : the effective duration of the attack.
- With the knife and the axe, the duration of the attack is extremely short and coincide with the weapon hitting your enemy. It means that when the animation of your knife or axe makes it hit the enemy, the attack occur. Not before, not after, at the same time.
- With the shovel, the attack starts a few tenth of second before the animation of the shovel makes it look like it hit your enemy, and ends tenth of second after. It simply means it's not an instantaneous attack, but one that have a 0,5 perhaps 1 second duration.
It may not seems like it can change a lot, but it does. You can attack too late or too early and still hit with your shovel, whereas you would have missed with the axe or the knife.
I don't think this "trick" is necessary to make the shovel a great melee weapon, and it makes it some sort of "lag weapon", thus the "kind of broken" judgement. I'm not demanding any sort of nerfing (it's not like Z8 would listen to me anyway) it's just what I sincerely think.
Thank you for those that read me, I will now return to CF to enjoy the remaining days of my shovel...
Why overpowered and is it a reason to QQ ?
- Overpowered because wherever you hit, as long as you use the right click attack, you will kill in one attack. You do not need to aim anymore.
I killed people 2 meters above me by hitting them in the foot.
- Overpowered because of its range. You don't need to be at point-blank range to hit your target. Hitting at 1~2 meters can be enough. Again, I'm talking about right click attack. Didn't really used the left click "slash" attack.
- Overpowered because of the area covered by your attack. I've killed 2 people in one attack several times and noticed that they could be separated by 1~1,5 meters and still get killed at the same time. To kill 2 people with the knife, you need them as close to each other as possible.
Now, is it a reason to QQ ? Well, if you QQ about that, you might as well QQ for every other advantage ZP give to players. ZP temporary weapons (Dual Colt for example), ZP crate weapons (e.g. M4A1-C), Coupons weapons (e.g. AK-Gold), BP Weapons (e.g. M4A1-Silver), special Grenades, Armor, etc. almost all of those items can be considered overpowered or at least superior to their GP counterparts.
In conclusion, no there's no good reason to QQ (except for people using the shovel by slashing the hell out of it - please, stop that).
Why is it "kind of broken" ?
It's something you, hopefully, quickly notice when using the shovel : the effective duration of the attack.
- With the knife and the axe, the duration of the attack is extremely short and coincide with the weapon hitting your enemy. It means that when the animation of your knife or axe makes it hit the enemy, the attack occur. Not before, not after, at the same time.
- With the shovel, the attack starts a few tenth of second before the animation of the shovel makes it look like it hit your enemy, and ends tenth of second after. It simply means it's not an instantaneous attack, but one that have a 0,5 perhaps 1 second duration.
It may not seems like it can change a lot, but it does. You can attack too late or too early and still hit with your shovel, whereas you would have missed with the axe or the knife.
I don't think this "trick" is necessary to make the shovel a great melee weapon, and it makes it some sort of "lag weapon", thus the "kind of broken" judgement. I'm not demanding any sort of nerfing (it's not like Z8 would listen to me anyway) it's just what I sincerely think.
Thank you for those that read me, I will now return to CF to enjoy the remaining days of my shovel...
Comments
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I dont like shovels...and I got one for 180 days o.o
But since I've used it, it looks like it also has some reg issues. I literally keep hitting people without making any damage, but that doesn't happen with the axe. When I hit the enemy, it always does damage. -
Its not like someone whos using the shovel just leans back and watches his overpowered epic shovel run around and gank everyone and after this inform you via SMS of your KDR, wich is then like 4314k|0d... its just one hitting in melee combat, after a small charge.
I think its a good thing you can make charged 1 hits in melee. -
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I think its a good thing you can make charged 1 hits in melee.
I agree with you. Being a ZP weapon, its one hit kill capability is understandable.
What isn't though is the way its attack works. It could have been just like an axe but with greater range, area of attack and power. No need to put a 0,5 second duration attack to it.Shovel users = noobs
Lag kill isn't skill
Like I said, if you call shovel users noobs, you'll have to call every good ZP weapon users noobs too (I'm not saying that to defend myself, I'm a temporary shovel user, only got it for 7 days in DE-Scope crates).
It's a fact that for money, you receive advantage. M4A1 is good, every other ZP/BP version of it is better. It's the same here with melee weapons.
Of course if some players always use the "lag animation" to kill, then it's lame. But today I killed my share of GR and I only performed (involuntarily) a "lag kill" every 10 regular shovel-in-the-face.
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